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PennyMan Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:48 AM
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UNBELIEVABLE GOP questions vote discrepancies: 8,500 and counting
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:50 AM
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1. Just think, if only John Kerry had contested the Nov 2 presidential result
With the same determination the GOP has shown in Washington. Whistle-ass might be on his way back to Crawford now.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:53 AM
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4. The GOP would just insist that Bush had won and that Kerry
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 12:54 AM by elperromagico
was interfering with the will of the people. Funny how the tables turn when they're on the losing side, isn't it?

Edit: Correction - They were on the losing side in 2000 too. But they could play like winners in that case. Bit harder here, when there have been three recounts.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:02 AM
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9. What about Gore in 2000?
Just where would we be now? It boggles the mind...truly.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:50 AM
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2. They need to get over it....the dem won n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:50 AM
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3. You know those GOPhers are just "tin-foil hatters,"
"bitter enders," "conspiracy theorists" and "nuts," don't you?

My gosh - vote discrepanies and election fraud could NEVER happen!

:tinfoilhat:
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:52 AM
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20. yes that is true Clark2008
Where do that get this stuff from perhaps a
` late night conspiracy-theory movie.''
:crazy: :tinfoilhat: :crazy:
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:58 AM
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5. Dino Rossi wants a re-vote.
One recount.

Two recounts.

Three recounts.

Ehh, hell. Let's throw in a re-vote.

And if the results are close again? Well, let's have another re-vote!

Why not let the people of Washington just keep re-voting until a result finally is to Mr. Rossi's liking?

Gee... that sounds like a cracker-jack idea right there.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:59 AM
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6. Keep voting until you win
That's their strategy:

One high-profile Republican, former Gov. Dan Evans, joined the chorus calling for a new election with an online essay published Dec. 31.

"Democracy may be messy, but its principles are why it still serves us best," Evans wrote for the Web site www.revotewa.com. "If we screw up the implementation, let's go back to the principles. The voters' will is paramount."

He proposed a special election next month. On Monday, Evans said his appetite for a revote depends heavily on how King County answers questions about the 3,500-vote difference between voter rolls and certified ballots.
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But if we are to go by the standard proposed by this blowhard Evans, Kerry should call for a nationwide recount in the presidential election. In fact, they called repeatedly for Gregoire to concede in the interests of "moving forward" and "healing" when they were ahead. Now it's about "voter's will" and "democratic principles," of which they have not the slightest shred. The bastards grow more brazen with every election.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:01 AM
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7. Okay, compromise - hand recount WA & OH Pres '04. I think the DU crowd...
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 01:03 AM by FreepFryer
would be fine with that.

:)

The GOP called fraud before the recount was even complete. They are unprincipled, and that will be one of their undoings.

http://www.redefeatbush.com
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:18 AM
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12. I for one wouldn't agree.
It doesn't fix the problem. We are dealing with Dominionists here. The ends justify the means to them. They need to be jailed.

-Hoot
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:52 AM
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17. I wasn't proposing
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 02:55 AM by FreepFryer
The cultural war ends there.

I was obviously implying that an OH hand recount would lead to a Kerry victory in OH, which would lead to a Kerry presidency. Step 1 out of 7,916 steps to taking back our country.

Nice post re: the 2000 dissenting opinion, by the way.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:01 AM
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8. Give me a BREAK
"One high-profile Republican, former Gov. Dan Evans, joined the chorus calling for a new election with an online essay published Dec. 31.

..cut...

On Monday, Evans said his appetite for a revote depends heavily on how King County answers questions about the 3,500-vote difference between voter rolls and certified ballots.

"A lot depends on what the outcome is of that investigation," Evans said. "If they can explain that and there are no other significant errors, in spite of the fact of a close election, it's time to say 'OK, we'll accept it.'""

Does anybody believe this, if they can explain this problem the GOP will stop.. Not ME.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:31 AM
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10. Hummm. what a nice precident that would set huh?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:43 AM
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14. Even if it cost Gregoire, we'd be so much better off with a re-count.
For a pile of reasons we've all made relative to Ohio, etc.

We all are so :grr: with Republicans, that we :bounce: as long as they are hurt, not caring if they've been wronged.

It's understandable. But it's not O8) and, stratigically, it's not very :think:.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:50 AM
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16. Peak_Oil... What the hell???
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 02:53 AM by sepia_steel
No one is anti-RECOUNT. THREE COUNTS HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, and 2 OF THEM made Gregoire the winner. Do we really need a re-vote???

GET. A. GRIP.

I say, let em' revote. Gregoire would win again.

But you need to chill out, man.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:32 AM
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13. A public relations stunt.
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 02:33 AM by pa28
For example, victims of domestic violence who can cast votes without location information. Also, provisional ballots out of county sent back to the county of residence. Well, you get the idea.

The discrepancy in Rossi leaning Snohomish is 1,700 votes and at least four times as many people live in King. There seems to me nothing out of line with these numbers.

Maybe Rossi is sticking up for stalkers rights. :eyes:
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:47 AM
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15. Good! Let their hypocrisy shine forth glaringly! n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:09 AM
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18. Here is a link to their petition asking for a revote.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 05:02 AM
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19. Well then...
"Perhaps there's a logical explanation for all this," said state GOP Chairman Chris Vance, referring to public records that show nearly 8,500 more ballots than voters in five counties. "But if there is not, this election is invalid on its face and the Legislature cannot in good conscience certify Christine Gregoire."


I guess we cannot certify Shrub either.

Who is wearing the tin foil hat now?

Ya know what though? These Repugs aren't afraid to say SHIT no matter how ludicrous it is. I wish the Dems would do that.

Maybe they are so indignant that Gregoire couldn't have won, because they set the machine to "Rossi" and it malfunctioned! :-)
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:09 AM
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21. Maybe they will prove our case for us.
If they find fraud (and they know where to look) then we could use the same justification for Kerry. Keep an eye on this it will point the way for where the rest of the fraud is hidden.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:55 AM
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22. If there was fraud and Dino wasn't privy to it? Doesn't that help us
I haven't kept up with this story to much, so I'm not sure what the exit polls were like for these two, but if there were more votes than voters, wouldn't that help us if they could "uncovered fraud". I'll bet the irregularities favored Rossi every time. Then what would they say. I bet Bush would shut Rossi up quick if they got too close.
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