very late article from NYT website on challenge

[steve2470]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/politics/06elect.html
<snip>
Federal law requires both a member of the House and the Senate to object for a formal challenge to be considered. The 2000 race between President Bush and former Vice President Al Gore produced objections in the House, but none in the Senate. On Wednesday, an aide to Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, said Mrs. Boxer was contemplating raising an objection.

Some House Democrats will almost certainly object. On Wednesday, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, issued a report saying there were "ample grounds for challenging the electors from the state of Ohio."

Mr. Kerry said he would draw on the Conyers report to make voting rights one of his "top agenda items" this year.

A formal challenge would not affect the outcome of the election, because both houses of Congress are controlled by Republicans, who promise to certify Mr. Bush as the winner. But it would force lawmakers to abandon the ordinarily polite ritual, which takes place in the House chamber. Instead, the House and Senate would retreat to their own chambers, on opposite sides of the Capitol, for a two-hour debate and a formal vote on the objection.

Such a debate could prove uncomfortable for Democrats, who do not want to be viewed as sore losers. But Republicans seemed eager for it.

<snip>

[princehal]

1. The story ends with

""They are really just trying to stir up their loony left," John Feehery, a spokesman for Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, said of the Democrats."


You know, I am sick to death of being called loony.

Asshole

[Clark2008]

4. So call them the whacko right

Throw their name-calling back at 'em.

It's the only thing that seems to work on the sheeple.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

7. Great idea, Clark2008.

I'll do that tomorrow morning at 7:00 am CST.

[anaxarchos]

12. Or..

I really like "Asshole Right" - It sings.

[liberalMabhool]

17. Yeah.

[Brundle_Fly]

48. sum it all up with

BOZO'S

[Chimpanzee]

53. Whacko is WAY too polite! Evil Chimp Squadron is better.

[fearnobush]

6. Loony left is a compliment compared to their "TaliBush."

Democrats - call them all the "Anti voting" party.

[sd_UDO]

15. Hastert is wrong!

Loony?

We are visionary! Jefferson and Madison were visionary!

And we are the visionaries of the 21st century!

We are!

And what we create in the next few years
will last hopefully for centuries
and cause such an enormous outpouring
of friendship, love and prosperity
that millions or billions of people
will be inspired!

Let's start UDO ! (Regardless of what the Dem Senators
do or do not do tomorrow)

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

UDOs in all 50 states and in the next state of Columbia!

Victory!

Elections that we WIN 6 times a year!

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/


Thank you!

[purduejake]

49. Dems don't use strong language back...

That is one reason why we can't get even more people to vote for us. The repukes aren't afraid of saying inflamatory stuff that is not true, so why can't we use strong words back, but with the truth?

[goclark]

2. Rethugs eager???

Why have we been so busy getting someone to speak up when we could have gotten Rethugs that are "eager" for debate.

Did I read that wrong?

I had no idea they wanted to talk about any of this.

"Such a debate could prove uncomfortable for Democrats, who do not want to be viewed as sore losers. But Republicans seemed eager for it.


NYT is full of crap!

[Clark2008]

5. I'll call my senator

Bill :scared: Frist again - this time from my cell - and tell him that I hope it's true that he's eager, because we need to investigate this!

[IndyOp]

27. Beautiful! Can't wait to wake up and call Eager Lugar tomorrow! (n/t)

[m.standridge]

9. Yeah, ain't that interestin'

now all at once, we could have had this debate very easily.
All we had to do was just ask the GOP to contest the Bush Electors from Ohio!
Why didn't we think of that?
Oh
Well, farbeit for me to use expletives in regard to the NYT...
Why didn't they tell us this sooner?
Here, we've been, calling, writing, faxing these DEMOCRATIC Senators, when, all along, here were these helpful Republicans, EAGER for this debate.

[m.standridge]

10. Do journalists really have to be "objective"

like that, to the point of inanity? Of naivete?

[Zan_of_Texas]

20. Republican Rep. Ney of Ohio sure has been eager.

He's bottled up the weak HR 2239, the Holt bill, and won't have any hearings on it.

Maybe we need to send the NYT a dictionary with a definition of "eager" in it.

[rodeodance]

perhaps they are 'eager'-eager to ridicule anyone who stands up

today to contest the certification.

[librechik]

28. they will look like the slaver-ing racist pigs that they are

will it be on CSpan?

[Chimpanzee]

55. That is a friggen joke!

If the debates are ever broadcasted, the thugs will look pretty bad if they debate AGAINST fair elections! Bring it on assholes!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

3. The comment at the end of the article really frosts me.

"They are really just trying to stir up their loony left," John Feehery, a spokesman for Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, said of the Democrats.

First thing tomorrow morning, I'm on the phone again to Fat Denny's office in Washington and I'm not going to be very polite.

Loony left, my ass...

[AirAmFan]

13. 'Loony left' must include those who think African-Americans and poor people

should have the same chance to have their votes counted as wealthy Republican suburbanites. When does the 1960s Voting Rights Act come up for reauthorization? Is it before the next Presidential election? Will Hastert make fun of that piece of legislation too?

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. To them, the only good African-Americans and poor people are

are because it's easier to steal their votes.

I just heard a story about how the Repugs went into small communities and helped the poor and illiterate there file out their absentee ballots. Of course, they looks for the ones who can't read or write so they wouldn't know who they were voting for. Just sign on the dotted line, we'll take care of the everything else for you.

[Chimpanzee]

58. Freedom Fighters = Looney Left

Nice to know where they're coming from...

[senegal1]

21. I am amazed at the number of wonderful liberal friends I talk to

keep wanting to pass on this issue. I have tried every way to talk about the issue -- causual, intent, fact filled, quick feelers, ect. And even people I know who were avid about the election and Kerry, have this passe attitude. I just hung up from someone who after I told them what I thought would happen tomorrow said, "Tell me when the revote happens." As in well "whatever". I console myself with the thought that "a small group of committed citizens can change the world... indeed its the only thing that ever does" or something to that effect. This is an uphill battle.

[NJCher]

30. they don't want to face the anger

But it's inevitable.

I ran into this on New Year's Eve night. This incredibly liberal couple I know from Manhattan literally knew nothing of the election fraud. I explained a bit of it. The husband, an attorney, said, agitated, "I can't take this. I can't...deal with it." Later I asked him why and he said once he knew enough it would consume him.

Good. Hope it consumes him. We can always use another attorney!


Cher

[senegal1]

31. I don't know ... they seem so passive all of the sudden --

the person who said that to me was the one who was most consumed with the election before the vote. Maybe similar to what you said they can only invest so much emotional energy into the topic. Maybe tomorrow will help them wake up.

[rodeodance]

57. I get the same---many have bought into "time to move on" wiithout

wanting to know/think about all the problems, irregularities, possible fraud, etc. It is beyond weird!!1

[FreepFryer]

8. they're about as eager for what's going to happen as I am for a third tit.

Not, that is.

[Clark2008]

11. But, with a third tit, wouldn't you get ALL the boys?

LOL.

Point taken.

Just left ANOTHER message with my Freep-in-Chief, Bill Frist. Gawd, the first time I interviewed that SOB, I labeled him an anti-Christ and I didn't even have a crystal ball.

[FreepFryer]

18. ahh. Strong with the Force, you are.

[Chimpanzee]

59. No, three tops - unless they want to take turns!

[KoKo]

14. Good Grief....didn't "Kos" just call us "Wacko Conspiracy Theorists" ...

now we've got Hastert calling us the "Loony Left?" Who's next? What's next.... It's really amazing.

I think we are only at the ".....Next they Laugh at You stage...on the border of "Then They Fight You..." I had hoped we were farther along. :eyes:

[sd_UDO]

22. They laugh at us now, but....

Scenario 1--- One to ten Senators stand up
and ask that the Ohio vote be looked at.

Great! Spine, finally!

Scenario 2--- repeat of 01

Either way, the Rs can laugh at us.

We are the visionaries!

We will create something GREAT that will last for centuries--

UDO!

UDOs in all 50 states and DC!

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

Let's go for it!

Elections 6 times a year!

WINNING 6 times a year!

(((And the people will vote them out--just look at the
World Almanac list of US Senators, the Ds have dominated the Senate
number wise throughought the 20th century. That will continue.
Hopefully with STRONG Senators, not wimpy ones! )))

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

[EFerrari]

23. If Hastert said "loony" we're under his skin. Let's stay right there.

[grays4u]

33. Local TV (FL)

called waters and conyers the prizes of the Loony lefy.

[Starone]

25. They're Ready to Fight

and like always they're using name calling as their weaponry. Looney Liberal or a Shrub Liar.....considering Bush foreign policy and Repug election fraud, I'll proudly claim to be the first. Bring it on!

[liberalMabhool]

16. Damn the NYT

[merh]

19. Can you say rethug "SPIN"

Sure, I knew you could!

[grumpy old fart]

24. Remember what happened the last time a repug said "bring it on"

thousand of troops were killed and wounded....there are consequences to words, lord willing......

[IndyOp]

26. Exceptionally weak article -- nothing we didn't expect

A quote from a generic letter from Kerry, a statement that it will be a shame that we abandon polite procedure, a quote from an Republicidiot calling us 'loony', and the most idiotic point of all:

"Such a debate could prove uncomfortable for Democrats" -- is that a warning? Is that NEWS? Shit, yes, it will be uncomfortable -- life often is, especially when lived in a principled manner.

"Republicans seemed eager for it." Right. Really, they would PREFER an election contest that will air the illegal activities of the Republican Ohio SOS to a polite, orderly transition to another illegitimate presidency.

:kick:

[Chimpanzee]

60. Polite procedure?

I dare say, Jeeves, please rape and pillage the Constitution, and all other good things. By all means, Jeffrey, that's very generous of you! You're welcome, Jeeves.

[librechik]

29. looky here, Righties have this reporter on a "liberal watch"

Sheryl Gay Stolberg

http://www.timeswatch.org/topicindex/S/stolberg_sheryl_gay/welcome.asp

they're not finding much though...

[grays4u]

32. Does anyone think

there will be retribution for the senator that stands up?

[fasttense]

46. Retribution?

Let's see, maybe they will steal the presidential election, oh wait they did that. Maybe they will rig the majority seats in Congress, Oh wait they did that. Maybe they will take over the MSM, Oh wait they did that. Maybe they will stand back and call us names, Oh wait they are doing that. How much worse do you think they can do to the Democrats? What exactly are you afraid of?

[Eye_on_prize]

61. what are they afraid of? maybe a bullet in the head or an "unfortunate

accident". But that doesn't wash anymore with me. Fascism is at hand, yet there is strength in numbers to stand against it..for while at least. Dems still DO have power to filibuster and need to use it on this issue. Use it or lose it. two birds with one stone. go for broke. shoot the moon.

Those of us who busted our buns with voter registration and voter turnout and voter education and ... have had it with a party that is silent and therefore complicit in defrauding the voting public. This IS clearly the Dem's Rubicon. May they all rise to this occasion with courage, grace and lucidity.

[Patsy Stone]

34. Only Loony? Not Tin Foil Hat Wearing Psycho Conspiracy FREAKS?

Wow, they're slipping. :)

[EuroObserver]

35. These journalists are corruptly biaised

>>Such a debate could prove uncomfortable for Democrats, who do not want to be viewed as sore losers. But Republicans seemed eager for it.<<

Not possibly uncomfortable for Repuublicans, though, since although they stole another election, they have well-paid big-media journalists behind them all the way to the trough.

[Truman01]

36. Anyone notice that the right isn't scared they WANT this to happen? nt

[Doctor O]

37. Yes I believe they do. It will help them bring the moderate

republicans closer to the party line. Doing this will ensure that the Repubs will be voting as a solid block. The Repubs will be able to pass anything they want and will not have to listen to the Dems.

[fasttense]

47. Of course they think they own the American public.

They think they can do anything and lie their way out of it. But if you don't stand up to a bully do you really think he is going to leave you alone?

[Vektor]

38. Oh please...

I SERIOUSLY doubt Republicans are looking forward to it. If they are even pretending to be, it's a false show of bravado.

And, Dems will not look like sore losers. There is enough dirt in that Conyers report to warrant some SERIOUS shit to hit the fan. You know the Repukes do not want that becoming public fodder.

[Name removed]

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[Vektor]

41. Whoa! Calm down!

I have done more than my share of research, and have called no one names. I have certainly not accused anyone of any assassination theories or wished people dead.

You are totally overreacting to an innocent bit of skepticism on my part toward Republican motives.

I don't think it is at all unthinkable that the Republicans would NOT like to see this issue go forward. Nor do I think it would be unthinkable that they would rather see it swept under the rug, than dragged into public debate.

That's about all...

I never attacked you, so retract the claws there, friend....I was simply expressing a lack of conviction that the Republicans WANT any more scandal.

I am far from one-sided in my thinking. If you knew me, you'd know that.

[rodeodance]

42. all DUer's should email the NYT--their lack of investigative journalism

[rodeodance]

43. here are email addresses for the NYT and Sheryl Stolberg

New York Times, Sheryl Stolberg (Congressional Correspondent), [e-mail]
and cc. to: New York Times, Executive Editor, [e-mail]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/politics/06elect.html


Election Results to Be Certified, With Little Fuss From Kerry
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Published: January 6, 2005

WASHINGTON, Jan. 5 - The day before a joint session of Congress to certify the results of the 2004 presidential election, Senator John Kerry said Wednesday that he would not participate in a possible protest by Democrats who are challenging President Bush's victory in Ohio......

....

A formal challenge would not affect the outcome of the election, because both houses of Congress are controlled by Republicans, who promise to certify Mr. Bush as the winner. But it would force lawmakers to abandon the ordinarily polite ritual, which takes place in the House chamber. Instead, the House and Senate would retreat to their own chambers, on opposite sides of the Capitol, for a two-hour debate and a formal vote on the objection.

Such a debate could prove uncomfortable for Democrats, who do not want to be viewed as sore losers. But Republicans seemed eager for it.

"They are really just trying to stir up their loony left," John Feehery, a spokesman for Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, said of the Democrats.

[Vektor]

44. This does need to be addressed...

it's totally inflammatory and ridiculous.

[rodeodance]

45. my letter to the NYTimes

Dear Ms Stolberg,
I read your very short article about the electoral certification just now and was beyond disappointment. It was a very lazy piece of "journalism"--merely reporting what is going to happen, and excluding any substantive information related to voting problems and information that Rep. Conyers and his team has amassed over the last few months.
Instead you include a dismissive, rude comment made by Feehery, a spokesman for Hastert!! -which was meant to further ridicule not only Democrats but the voters themselves. Your readers deserve better and I expected better from the NY Times! A serious article involving investigative journalism would be in order, not this piece of crap.

[Name removed]

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[fasttense]

50. You have got to be kidding?

Repugs do research? You mean look for the Truth and find out what is wrong with a system and truly try to fix it before they shot from the hip? You have got to be kidding. What they have is their Spin Doctors like Rove and they think the American public will believe any lie they want to feed them.

And you have the guts to say DU calls people names? Read a Repug web. Or even try to talk to them. All they want to do is swear at you and threaten you and anyone you care about. Go to a Repug website and try to offer a more liberal opinion and see what happens.

[rodeodance]

54. fasttense--who/which post are you addressing this to?

[Chimpanzee]

62. Doctor O, which you probably have on IGNORE.

I am just about to do that too. I don't understand why the mods let people like this hang around here, when they obviously don't belong.

[Donailin]

56. It's the exit polls, stupid

we wouldn't be here if the exit polls showed a clear Bush win. The people in the Ukraine had all kinds of theories too. "They tried to poison my candidate!" " The threw away the ballots!" "They cheated!"

If everything added up, there wouldn't be theories.

[Catchawave]

51. Hell yeah I'm a sore loser....

...I usually am when there's proof winner's cheat!

And probably why I stopped playing Monopoly with my husband :silly:

[Donailin]

52. Yeah, I am sore about the fact that the exit polls . .

showed Kerry winning with an OHIO and Florida win and 311 electoral votes, and yet, Bush is being called the winner.

Stuff like that DOES make me loony -- just like it does the people in Ukraine.

<sigh>

Nevertheless, this will be a non-starter, a non-event. The NYT is pretty much setting the tone for the days events, "ho hum, those loony left democrats"

[Chimpanzee]

63. I wonder if the CM will cover all the protesters?

Stupid question, I know...

[roenyc]

64. yes they will say there are a handful of people protesting.

except they will not mention the hand belongs to bigfoot.

[SillyGoose]

66. I'm spitting nails here, I'm so mad at this statement...

"They are really just trying to stir up their loony left," John Feehery, a spokesman for Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, said of the Democrats.

What an outrageous insult. I am so sick and tired of these pompous windbags spewing this crap. Hastert's office will be hearing from me this morning. Where in the hell is a response from a democratic leader on this?

They are eager for this debate, huh? BRING. IT. ON.


:nuke: