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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:07 PM
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They're going to fix it NOW??????????????
Beware BushCons and Dems-with-almost-no-power returning to "election reform."

Sorry to be so down. Usually I'm more hopeful. But I've never heard such a load of crap--even from the Dems, whose courage in saying anything whatever against the BushCon election, especially in that forum, I applaud.

And listening to a man like David Dreier (R-CA), who said, of Sen. Clinton and Rep. Jones' challenge--both of whom said they only wanted to talk about voter suppression and the right to vote, and not about the outcome of the election--that it "clearly emboldens the terrorists who threaten us everywhere in the world."

This chilling atmosphere--its lack of reality being its most frightening aspect--must fill the mind and heart with icy daggers and desperate fear at times.

It had its darkly funny moments, for instance, Tom Delay talking about our ancestors creating "this miraculous system of government." Miraculous, indeed. Ask Diebold just how simple miracles can be. (One hacker, a couple of minutes.)

Courage and eloquence on our side. (Insults and threats by the other--with not a single word from BushCons, not one, in support of voting rights--"frivolous," "poisonous"). Maxine Waters stands out, arising to defend Michael Moore, after a nasty attack by BushCon Ric Keillor. Hillary Clinton was quite good--to my pleasant surprise. So was Obama. Boxer, Jones and Conyers, of course, were wonderful--as were many others. (John Lewis, Lynn Woolsey, Bobby Scott and a few others mentioned nationwide anomalies and the Exit Polls; Tom Harkin mentioned secret source code). I won't give all my notes here (and I missed some of the Senators). Why do I say a load of crap?

Here's why:

1. Repeated statement: "We are not challenging the outcome of the election." (I just got very tired of it--given the overwhelming evidence that it was stolen. Was it fear? Strategy? The Cons were very clearly out to divide and conquer, pitting the sane, Kerry et al, against "the X-Files" Left, and blaming poor Michael Moore, whose recent, belated statement so carefully avoided X's).

So, I was not happy about that at all. More later.

2. And, the worst crap. The Dems seem to think that they can reopen this matter of national voting standards, with even more BushCons in the Congress than last time, and come away with a better voting system. While they engage in this delusion, they and the BushCons will likely take away the power over elections that now belongs to the states, so that WE can't fix it locally. The first bill might look benign, but, with the power over the rules now in federal hands, the BushCons will likely then proceed to make things much worse than they are now. Further, the whole thrust of the Dem remarks was toward more electronics, but with a paper trail (uh-huh-guess who blocked that last time?). Thus, if the PEOPLE want to go back to paper ballots as the solution, we won't have that power any more.

That's my fear. Federalization of our voting system, with BushCons in power--in big power.

The Dems got an issue out of this event: cleaning up our voting system--but most of them had already derelict in letting BushCon companies gain control over our voting system with secret source code and no paper trail, and not screaming bloody murder, at least to warn voters. Now they want BushCons Feds to have MORE power over voting?

I grokked a day or so ago that Jesse Jackson had given Kerry an out, by proposing a Constitutional amendment on voting rights. They almost all took this out, in one way or another, with the SECOND BushCon fraudulent election now slipping into history--despite the courage and outspokenness of these Dems.

I am very glad they spoke up! It was wonderful to see them feisty. And Tom Delay actually understood it very well. This was a message from the grass roots. Delay said something like this: "As the Democrats across the country engage in soul searching about how they might moderate their policies in view of the great victory in the election of George Bush, the wild radical conspiracy Left of Michael Moore X-files and Barbara Boxer Hollywood are sending a message of spite and obstructionism."

SPINE, in other words. He got that right. We spoiled the coronation, and we let it be known that we have had it.

Please beware, though, of federalization of voting rights in this circumstance. There is no fairness and justice at the top any more, as there was in the 1960s. There is only greed, falsehood and injustice, and strident fascism.






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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:11 PM
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1. "Strident Fascism..."
That will get louder, I'm afraid...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:12 PM
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2. Stop being a
"Whining Asshole"? Oh and Tom Delay can go "cheney" himself!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:35 PM
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6. Like I say, I'd rather be called a "whiney asshole" than human waste.
;)

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:39 PM
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7. In truth, I am not a "whining asshole" nor "human waste"
and I don't appreciate being called either! Do you?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:01 PM
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9. Yes, depending on the source of such criticism.
;)
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:13 PM
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13. Republicans resort to name-calling when they can't answer the points.
The Help America Vote plan is the federal plan to standardize (Read: computerize) voting nation-wide. There's your reform for you. Any semblance of transparency should just about be gone by the time it is implemented.

It was bad in 2K, worse in 2k4 and it'll be worse in 2k8...
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:14 PM
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3. i'm with the minority...I agree with you,,,nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:18 PM
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4. P.S. It occurs to me that I've rather missed the point...
...in my concern that the Dems, and our voting rights, not get led down the garden path. We, the Left, gave our representatives strength today. I could see that. It's been a great and surprising campaign in that regard. And "load of crap" is not right, as to their persistent, strong point about voting rights, their seriousness, and their spirit--in the face of these vacant, mean Bushite monsters who merely spout Rove talking points. In that sense, it worked--and we certainly got a chance to sort out the wheat from the chaff. But as to fraudulent election no. 2, we are left with no remedy and no recourse.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:33 PM
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5. You are right on the mark.....
I haven't seen such a debacle in Congress since the CLinton impeachment hearings, which is the first time I witnessed the repubs' borg-like behavior, and had a very bad feeling about our country. The Dems should have used this opportunity today to take a stronger stand. It's about the only chance they had to make any impact. Perhaps with the exception of the ones who had the courage to speak up, and tell the truth about not only the voter suppression, but the other types of fraud, and criminal behavior of Blackwell, etal, I feel they betrayed us.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:40 PM
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8. Since the whiners seem to be congregating here....
...I'll throw my hat in too.

I'm bitter about nov 2

I'm bitter about today

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:01 PM
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10. must you say "whiners"? it is in the same category as "crybabies"
and "sore losermen"...oops. guess I am whining...
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:09 PM
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12. Wearing the label as badge of courage now.
Really surprised at the number of people looking down on those who are sticking with their guns that our dem leadership leaves much to be desired.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:09 PM
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11. I was so sick of
"we're not challenging the outcome" and "I absolutely believe **(he
has two now) won the election" -of course no one's gonna report on that -it's not news. Maybe someone should have used the word fraud
or rigged or statistically impossible and the MSM might have picked up on it -in an insulting, condescending way of course!
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jmc777 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:23 PM
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14. I agree with your 2nd point. n/t

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:26 PM
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15. So get to work at the bottom. Is YOUR hometown's election system
safe and fair?

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