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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:11 PM
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John Kerry and the price of tomatoes
John Kerry--MIA? AWOL?

I didn't know much about him when he sewed up the nomination, but I read some bits of his biography while attempting to argue with a True Believer of the right on another forum. Kerry volunteered for the Navy in the midst of the Vietnam War, and served no doubt efficiently, and then volunteered for Swift Boat duty. He speaks of feeling a sense of duty because he had had a priveleged upbringing. Now, combat duty, if you survived it, is always a good career move if you're in the service while a war is being fought. While serving as the captain of a Swift Boat, he fought intelligently and aggressively, and there are about 8 people who served with or near him who think they'd have been dead except for Kerry's actions.

So, Kerry survives, and comes to certain conclusions about the Vietnam war, and he returns home, looking as though he hadn't had a night's sleep in three years or so, and decides to lend his skills to the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. This move, if you had any political ambitions, was sheer suicide--to speak out forcefully and effectively against that war to the Nixon administration was guaranteed to make you instant enemies, and perhaps make yourself unelectable as dog catcher. Kerry did it anyway.

Kerry runs in Massachusetts, wins on his second try (I think), goes to the Senate, and once again succeeds in making himself some nasty enemies, the Reagan administration this time. He also does the dirty work of certifying a lack of POWs still in Vietnam, and helps clear the ground for normalization of relations with that country which suffered so terribly at the hands of this country.

The Year of Our Lord 2004 rolls around, and Kerry makes his move--he is the focus of an enormous get-out-the-vote effort on the part of the Democratic party, which results in, as near as I can tell, a clean and clear victory over his opponent. Only problem is, it's stolen from him and his supporters by the opposing party, who no longer know how to fight except dirty. Dirty and dirtier.

So you say to me, where is John Kerry's backbone? And I say, I've heard politics called the art of the possible. After what I saw in the Senate chamber today, I have to conclude that overturning this election before the inauguration was not possible.


And I say: who do you want me to be loyal to if not Kerry? Who's his competition? It seemed to me that we were lucky to have as good a candidate as we did in Kerry--smart, courageous, humane. Someone who should have earned the respect of his fellow citizens for valor in three or four different kinds of battles, and someone who thinks like a statesman, not a politician. The Democratic Party is the one that has candidates of this caliber: who are the Republicans offering us? The Bush brothers? Running George W. Bush for president was an insult to the country. Running John Kerry was a compliment to the country. He is one of the faces I want to show to the rest of the world as being the finest type of American, along with Louis Armstrong, John Edwards, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Paul Wellstone, and a lot of other civilized, smart, principled people. Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones and John Conyers. I'm proud at this moment that these people were raised in this country and are working for me. They are the best of this country, and I intend to go on working for them.

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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:13 PM
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1. Thanks for reminding me that...
...they work for me too.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:14 PM
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2. Put your flame suit on.
A lot of people here would rather see a "Charge of the Light Brigade" than pragmatic action.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:16 PM
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3. You're right. Thanks for reminding of what we can be proud of.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:17 PM
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4. Thank You
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:20 PM
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5. Whoohoo!
:hug:

Sorry it's not more substantive, but... :toast:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:20 PM
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6. BEAUTIFUL! Let them flame me too.
I'll back you and concur with every word, and yes, your information is correct. I was a constituent of Kerry's for many years, and have researched his life and times from his father's birth to now, with great zeal. Anyone who hasn't probably should before they cast stones. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but at least take he time to know what the man is really about before slinging mud. I don't mean "What is your opinion of his actions up to now regarding the election?" (Most of which, we don't really know yet.) I mean "What has he stood for his entire life? What has he accomplished?" It would amaze you.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:28 PM
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25. I agree Vektor -- I'll back you too! n/t
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:38 PM
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31. Thank you!
Without each other...well what the hell have we got, eh? :-)
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:22 PM
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7. Great post.
Thanks for saying this and welcome to DU!:hi:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:23 PM
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8. I have the utmost respect for John Kerry
And I know that he will continue working for us in the Senate, maybe even more effectively than if he were in the white house. It's going to take just his kind of integrity, patriotism and investigative skills to bring * down, and I have every confidence that he will be doing his best toward that goal. *'s incredible hubris will ultimately be his downfall. He has dug himself too many holes not to fall into one of them.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:29 PM
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26. I think you are right -- he will fight on! n/t
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:24 PM
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9. Thank you, I have been floundering after stay by him for so long.
I think he has a plan to work on some election reforms. Who knows what the next four years will bring. I would say bless you but I think you already are.
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mousie Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:26 PM
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10. That was beautiful!!! and I agree! n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:28 PM
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11. Welcome to DU
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Election reform can help save this country!
Same day primaries with ranked voting ballots for the Dems, and
THESE reforms for your town, county, and state.
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:29 PM
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12. he was also DA and lieutenant governor
and I wonder if he's cooking up an effort to formulate an exit strategy for Iraq, or at least try to ease tensions.

That is not something anyone from the * admin could accomplish at this point.

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:31 PM
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27. He has a plan for something with this trip. Can't talk about what you
haven't experienced and now he will be there with a fresh experience to relate when he returns.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:30 PM
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13. What a great post.
Thank you so much for writing from your heart. I feel exactly the same way about him, myself.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:30 PM
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14. good post!
I agree with you--there was nothing wrong with candidate John Kerry, and a lot right! I do believe he was the choice of the majority of Americans. He would make a great president, and I hope to see it come true in a few years. What we need most are fair elections.

Watching the Senate today, I'm sure he would have become the focus, had he been there, of all the neagative attention, and it would have been harder for the Dems to stay on message about reforming our elections. He is no coward, but he is also no idiot. Tactical retreat is sometimes called for.

You're right--he's made enemies all of his political life, but that just shows that he's willing to stand up for what's right no matter what. He's had a 98% voting record in the Senate--he's not one to just coast along.

(by the way a correction or two: Kerry was called the "skipper" of the Swift boat, not captain. He ran for Congress and lost, then he went to law school, graduated, worked as a successful prosecuter for a few years (never lost a case in over 7,000 cases), then was elected Lt. Governor of Mass. From there ran for the Senate and became the Junior Senator, under Ted Kennedy, in 1984. And since then has taken on the Reagan adm.(Iran-Contra), Bush I (BCCI) and Bush II, and worked to help make Clinton's eight years successful (Cops program, balanced budget, and more).
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:32 PM
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28. And he has never lost a political debate either! n/t
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:37 AM
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58. Thank you, ginni
for correcting my errors and elisions. I have been meaning to read that bio of him that came out last year, and will do that as soon as I can get to a library. "He is no coward, but he is also no idiot." Well said!
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:32 PM
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15. Excellent post. Just excellent.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:33 PM
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16. I am glad he is out there representing us in the Middle East
God be with him.

I sit here with my copy of Going Upriver next to me. I finally got it back from someone I gave it to before the election. It reminds me that I supported a fine man this election season.

I am seriously thinking about getting a Donkey pin and wearing it around. I am proud to be a Dem today.

I just got here. I'm not leaving for "greener" pastures unless something pretty damn drastic happens within the party. As long as I don't see a blue "666" on anyone's forehead to match the red one on Junior's, I'll be around.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:35 PM
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29. A donkey pin would go nicely with my paperclip! Good idea! n/t
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Eye_on_prize Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:24 AM
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53. Kerry in Iraq on Jan 6th was perfect piece of larger puzzle for me
I'm just waiting for the missing pieces to show up.
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vinessa4freedom Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:37 PM
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17. thank you
What an awesome post. You are so right, and said it so well.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:45 PM
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18. Great post, great thoughts guys!
:grouphug:
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:03 PM
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21. Great post and very well said.
n/t
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:55 PM
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19. well said
the climate in this country at the time Kerry went before congrss was very much like it is now. What he did was not self-serving it was courageous and I still thank him for it. I trust him completely and will continue to back him or anyone that shows honor, integrity and grit.
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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:58 PM
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20. Kerry won me over...
I don't know much about how his campaign went and I'm still learning a lot about his history and who he is. I became a supporter of his very late in the game this fall, but the more I learn about him, the more I respect him. I didn't vote for him because he was a better option than Bush (though he is). I voted for him because of who I discovered him to be. These are my impressions of him:

1) He has personal integrity. He seems to make decisions based on what he truly believes is the right thing to do.
2) He is a clear thinker who is intelligent and considers all aspects of a matter before he makes a decision or acts.
3) He has dignity and shows respect for others, even when he disagrees.
4) He isn't in politics for selfish gain.
5) He has excellent ideas that are usually too complex to make good soundbites, but they better reflect the reality of the situations they address.

There are probably more things I could list, but those are what were most important to me. These qualities were and are much more important to me than his "personal charisma" or ability to work a crowd or have good photo ops. Charisma doesn't equate integrity or goodness. Lots of unsavory people have charisma. If people value charisma over intelligence, wisdom, integrity, etc., maybe that points to a moral flaw in our society rather than a fault on the part of an otherwise excellent statesman.

The fact that he conceded, that he chose not to contest the electoral results today, doesn't change my impression of him. Nothing in his past points to him "selling out" or being spineless or afraid or selfish or any other ephithet I've seen hurled at him recently. So to view his current actions as such would be to suggest a significant, sudden shift in his character. Adults don't normally change character like that unless they are mentally unstable or were not honest to begin with. So why are people (not the author of this thread, of course) attacking his character because he didn't do what they wanted him to do? He made the decision he thought was the right one, just as he always has. There was no perfect solution in the position he was in, and I respect him even more for holding his head up and behaving with his characteristic dignity and steadiness.

Personally, I hope I have a second chance to support him for president. And this time, I would not be a late-comer.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:36 PM
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30. I would give him that second shot at the brass ring too! n/t
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:07 PM
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22. Damn, That was Well Said
He's a good man, no one will ever convince me otherwise.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:26 PM
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23. Thank you planetc -- excellent post n/t
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:28 PM
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24. Just a friendly reminder to all you Kerry well wishers
to come join us in the John Kerry group (you'll find it under DU groups). It's a welcome place of sanity among all the bashing, although I think you have to be a donor to participate in DU groups (wouldn't swear to it, though).
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:00 PM
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32. Is that how you get a star by your name?
How much? I would love to be part of a John Kerry group. I get tired of all the bashing, as if HE were the enemy.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:30 PM
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36. Yes, that is how you get the star.
Just go to the link that says Donate at the top of the page. Even small donations get you a star and access to the groups.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:31 PM
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37. Thanks, Sydnie
As soon as I recover from Christmas (whenever that might be), I'll be donating.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:16 AM
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52. You can donate any amount to get the star by your name.
However they probably appreciate something that makes it worth their time, so I'd say in good taste there is probably a $5 minimum.
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mary195149 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:05 PM
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33. I believed this before,
and I continue to believe this. John Kerry would have been the best president of our lifetime. It didn't happen this term but I believe he will become our president in 4 years. Things happen for a reason. I believe John Kerry will hold the bushies accountable. Maybe,this next 4 years is meant to clean up the corruption that has taken over our country. I hate to see our country wounded more than it already is, but it looks like we haven't hit bottom yet. At the pace Bush & company is going, it probably won't be too much longer. I hate to see the american people suffer but maybe we need to, so we can wake up to reality. Hang on, because Bush is taking us on a very bumpy ride. But we will all be stronger and maybe we will learn to not be so lax in taking advantage of our freedom.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:12 PM
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34. I had read a brief bio on him in Time i think...
There was a story told by a friend of his about a time when he was in school. Apparently there was a kid less wealthy then the other boys who had a record collection he was really proud of. Apparently one of the wealthier kids on the campus got tired of hearing about this kid's treasured collection. He went and bought out a local record store. The friend told about how furious Kerry was that someone would be so cold and insensitive. This was the first time i looked at him not only as the guy to beat Bush, but as a guy i might want in charge. My gut simply cannot wrap around the idea that he is gaming us. It does not make sense, i know. I just have to have hope. If time dictates he is the wrong man, we will find a better leader. But right now we have to fight Bush. Sorry just had to share.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:32 PM
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38. Don't be sorry. I hadn't heard that story before
Thanks for sharing it with us.
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mary195149 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:20 PM
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35. I'll bet Kerry is so proud of us,
for standing up these couple of months fighting for democracy and having so much faith. I don't believe he has deserted us and I certainly don't believe it is over. Kerry's work is just beginning. Let's hang in there and see what will develop. The corruption in the white house is so deep that it will take more than a couple of months to topple. We have nothing left but hope and I have confidence in time the truth will come out and the bushies will be exposed.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:35 PM
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40. I agree with you.
When he has all the ducks lined up, he will make his move. He is patient and knows how to collect evidence.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:34 PM
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39. I really like this thread
It's one of the best ones I've read today...makes me feel all warm inside. Thanks, all of you.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:36 PM
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41. Hope is always better than hand wringing despair isn't it?
I feel like I have adopted this thread as my thread of hope for the day too!
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:38 PM
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42. he might have save 8 lives back in the 70s
but 9 Americans died just today, and Kerry's partly to blame. He voted to give Bush the power to attack Iraq, knowing how criminally insane this administration is. Kerry is just as corrupt as the Bush Crime Family and has BLOOD IN HIS HANDS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6727646/
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:45 PM
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44. clean up on aisle 42
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mycatforpresident Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:49 PM
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46. Well then I guess
everyone who voted for him has blood on their hands, too.

Now, where did I stash all that pretty smelling hand soap?
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:59 PM
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48. if the shoe fits WEAR IT
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:20 AM
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50. Nice to see you
Oh, and thanks for kicking this thread :)
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:33 AM
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54. yeah, but do you really care about it?
considering you praise Edwards when he voted for the IWR. would you ever say Edwards has blood on his hands ? would you say Robert Byrd has blood on his hands considering he supported the Vietnam War ?

it's kind of like when people use the tsunami victims to attack someone. "the ones i really feel sorry for are the tsunami victims". but we all know that's not what it's about. it's like republicans who justify wrongs commited on others by bringing up 9/11. we all know it has nothing to do with them feeling bad about the 9/11 victims. it has more to do with them using them as justification for their hatred.

after a while people begin to see what the person's intention is when they just bring up anything to continually attack someone even though they have at times praised people who have done the same thing you attack them for.





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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:40 PM
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43. That was beautiful!
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:45 PM
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45. I'll drink to that!
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 11:53 PM by Firespirit
:toast:

I'll be in this GROUP you speak of, to escape the insanity. Hope someone else is there!

//Edit. OK, looks like I won't be there until I can donate. Well, I'm getting a big check on the 10th, and that seems to be an excellent time. :)

The Bushies have gone too far. They "mis"underestimated this guy, and I BELIEVE that his history attests to what's going to happen. That last e-mail makes it pretty clear. There was and is a chess game that he's playing, but some of us--and I'm including myself in that for a time--misunderstood what its goal actually was.

If anyone seriously, honestly believes that the Senators and Congressmen (and women!!) did this to appease us and won't do anything else to investigate and reform, they will be surprised! There's going to be hell to pay for this, once the investigations find the machine fraud. Some people need to learn patience.

It's fate, divine retribution, or poetic justice: ** went in by denying people their votes, and it will be what takes his worthless butt down, along with the rest. Bank on it.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:56 PM
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47. You intend on going to work for them?
Will they do the same for you/us? Not just Tubbs-Jones and John
Conyers, but the rest of the Senate Dems who voted no today. Shall we go on "working" for them when they couldn't care less about us? I am to say the least, disillusioned. The best of this Country? Wow!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:14 AM
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49. Thank you n/t
Thank you for this thread.

"Running John Kerry was a compliment to the country."

Yes it was. I'm a former constituent of Kerry's and I was on board from early Spring '03. I'll continue to work to support him and when the announce is made that he will run again, I'll be dancing in the streets.

He's a true American hero in my eyes and nothing anyone could ever say will change my mind about that. It's not even about who he is as politician, it's about who he is a man in this universe. It's about his principles and his courage. It's about his compassion and eloquence.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:25 AM
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51. Right on! n/t
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ewulf Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 05:39 AM
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55. Here here!
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 05:39 AM by ewulf
John Kerry is a great man and I still think he would make a wonderful president. I have no regrets about the time, effort, and money I gave to the party before the election, nor, even, the time I spent obsessing over voting irregularities after it. It was all worth it, even if they stole it and Bush will continue to be president. I for one am in no mood to give up, in no mood to surrender. At the same time, the big battles ahead will no doubt be on a pretty different plain; there are no elections for while and there is little chance of changing the outcome of the last one.

For a while now, our concerns (on a national level) can't be about the immediate power, they have to be about long term ideas (and potentially drawn out criminal investigations). I'm pretty fired up about policy, and I'm sure John Kerry is too. Today, Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones courageously demonstrated the willingness of democratic leaders to take on the big issues, even the ones that really matter. God I love this democratic, Democratic party.

The recent thefts gave the Republicans the majority of just about everything, but the majority can be a pretty fun place too.

(If that was a little poorly written, my apologies, its late and I've been drinking.)

Cheers.
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:06 AM
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59. ewulf, you drank just enough,
to remain clear and thoughtful. Cheers to you too.
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AbeLincolnRepublican Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:04 AM
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56. Purge Them To Keep It Clean
It is true and I am a Republican.

1) It is also true you, the members of this Board did a stellar
job in keeping up the fight for democracy and still are.

2) John Kerry must be voted out of office.

John Kerry, sought your money for a recount and cut and ran to Iraq for two weeks on you when the tough got going.

If you as a Democrat want to ever be a winner, one can't be in the middle any longer. John Quincy Adams found this out when he found himself voted out of office when his constituents were against slavery and he for being in the middle of slavery and doing nothing about it. He of course was given a second chance and became a pillar against slavery.

Staying to fight another day must not be the norm in this fight. It must be the opposite.

3) Likewise, any Democrat that voted against stopping the Electoral Vote should be purged for the same reasons above. One Senator Saying, "that I didn't stand up cause someone in another state told me not to"...is really saying I voted for their reasons not my constituents.

Just another Republican against Bush.







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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:17 AM
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60. I,as a Democrat, WAS a winner in 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004
If I ever want to see all those victories recognized, I am going to have to get those e-voting machines, and their owners and their coders the f*****g heck OUT of the election process, and I am going to have to get clear, uniform standards for vote handling installed across this great nation, and I am going to have to watch both parties like a hawk, and I am ready, ready, READY for this task. We all made a mistake in 2000 when we let the Republicans walk away with a national election because they had buddies at every level of government in one state and in Washington. The current Republican leadership has got to be purged, so we can live in a semblance of a democracy once again.

I hope you agree with me on the basic principle, Abe, that no party or person should be above the law around here, especially the election laws.

Cheers:evilgrin:
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KRose Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:07 AM
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57. I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kerry IS THE MAN for the job!!!!!!!!!!
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