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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:28 PM
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Dear John Kerry:
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 08:01 PM by Democrat Dragon
Dear John Kerry:

About 51% of American voters wanted you to be president. But it seems you do not want the job, if you didn't want to be President, why didn't you say so? It could have saved us a lot of time and money
and instead Wesley Clark or Howard Dean would be taking the oath on the 20th. They would be taking the oath because unlike you, they are not cowards.

I had faith in you. Faith that you would unconcede soon and deliver a suprise attack to Karl Rove. The week before last, there were rumors and several indications that you had not given up the fight. But last week you shattered our faith and conceeded for the fourth time already by saying that the outcome would not have changed. Well maybe if you had read the articles made by Greg Palast and Wayne Madsen, articles on how the recount was rigged, read on how the volunteers in Ohio suffered harrasment, threats, and damages to their cars made by people aware of their activities there, and have known that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell illegally denied voting records to the same volunteers you would have known the truth, that the outcome could changed if only you and your team actively participated in the grassroots efforts. You could have helped by unconceeding to the masses, that way you would have millions upon millions of supporters for your cause and even a whistleblower or two. The smoking gun is out there, but Kenneth Blackwell is hiding, or perhaps even illegally destroying it. We know it's there because he is hiding something viciously, possibly even sending thugs to harrass those who ask him about it.

You know what? everytime I see a photo of a child in Iraq killed by air raids, a poverty stricken family forced to pay high taxes, yet another fixed election, a senior citizen dying because he or she cannot pay for his or her medication, yet another terrorist attack, a horrifying food safety violation, a school run out of teaching material, and a college student recieve a draft notice here in America I will blame it on the usual Bush regime members such as, but not limited to Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elaine Chao. But I will also blame you, for you have done almost nothing in our efforts and thus evil has triumphed. For the past nine weeks our efforts in making sure every vote gets counted where twarted by Republicans and the Corporate Media. If you could have just bought air time and unconceeded to the masses and gain millions upon millions of supporters for the cause to save both democracy and the world, and even gain a real whistleblower or two.

Unfortuantley it didn't happen. You probably tried, but to gain real support you must turn to regular people like those in DU and take the megaphone after lining all your ducks in a row. You probably did not know becasue you didn't pay attention, and thus you failed. Perhaps you should try to come foward and say so if tried so maybe I wouldn't think so harshly of you. If you did not try, which most likely was not the case considered that you once said "Together we will change history" pitched in only a little and then caved in yet again. I, as well as many other will never again trust a wealthy, cowardly, northeasten frat boy like yourself with this kind of situation. Thank you for nothing.

P.S How many times have you drank expensive wine, in one of your expensive houses, wearing expenise clothes, sitting on an expensive chair, and watching the bloodbath in Iraq with you expensive TV?

I feel so much better now that I've blown some steam off.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:31 PM
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1. I am disappointed too. I am now hoping he decides to create havoc
in the Senate and just give the GOP a hard time at every turn.

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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
29. Me too.
I hope he does something that will cause every freeper to not be able to sleep well knowing what he has revealed about Bush Co.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:32 PM
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2. omg
you have got to be kidding me.

i think someone needs to start a Kerry-rehab group....seriously, i think there is a call for it..
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:43 PM
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12. If feel your pain....
And I'm sure it feels good to vent, I too think a Howard Dean or wes Clarke could of had a better out come,
and as much as I'd like to blame kerry for it all, truly it is the system in which we are forced to operate, they have mountains of lawyers and they write laws to the benifit of huge corporations and very wealthy people.We do need a true leader to stand up to these guys and rally the troops we are massing here and in other places.


I still think that guy is my man Dean, but time will tell.


:dem: :dem: :dem:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:32 PM
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3. Let's see you volunteer to travel to Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, etc.
There is NO WAY Kerry could have won this election by protesting. The glibs proved this with the 'recount' in Ohio. The government(s) (state and federal) are corrupted enough to prevent an honest and accurate count. He would have ended up worse off than Gore.

Seems as if he's positioning himself to make change from the inside as a senator.

If there's one thing he's NOT doing, it's sitting around. He's putting his ass on the line in the middle of war-torn countries to see for himself the best way to approach the issues.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. My opinion on Kerry
would have been a lot better if he leaned somehting form the Ukraine incident.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:36 PM
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6. our country is NOTHING like Ukraine right now.
i honestly don't think that strategy would have worked here.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:38 PM
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9. With regards to this correct statement...
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 07:39 PM by bush_is_wacko

"There is NO WAY Kerry could have won this election by protesting. The glibs proved this with the 'recount' in Ohio. The government(s) (state and federal) are corrupted enough to prevent an honest and accurate count. He would have ended up worse off than Gore."

Not to mention the fact that Rethuglicans control BOTH the House and the Senate and, quite frankly, would NEVER vote Kerry into office because they have an iron-fisted hand around the neck of democracy!

Come on DUer's quit feeding the freeper fire! There are plenty of other ways to skin a cat.

I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ALL CAT LOVERS FOR COMPARING THEIR CAT'S TO *!:evilgrin:
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:00 PM
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26. Some things need to be cleared...
What I had in mind for prostests was one the size of the anti-war movement of 2003. And when I talked to people about the possibility that the election was rigged all I kept hearing was "But Kerry conceeded" and I keept hearing over and over and it drove me nuts. And I had to say the same thing over and over "It's not legally binding".
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. You are correct it is not legally binding, but investigations have been
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 08:11 PM by bush_is_wacko
served a blow or two by the Rethuglicans. Our party has to tread very lightly on this issue. NOTHING can be said publicly nor can any investigation be formally announced until the smoking gun is on their desk, otherwise they have 45 days to investigate, prove and indict. That is the gist of the new Rethuglican sponsored ethics rules. And that is the reason for all the hush, hush.

I think there will be a substantial march on Washington DC on the 20th. I personally live too far away and can't afford to go, but I have seen a great deal of evidence January 20th will be quite a sight. Don't fret. We made a great deal of progress on January 6th. Movements like this take time. We are doing a great job of bringing people together. Lets just concentrate on that right now.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:35 PM
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5. I noted in your profile your still in high school?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 07:37 PM by mzmolly
Your drastically uninformed on the issues? You may want to consider changing schools?

I'd refute the misinformation if I felt your post was genuine and I had about an hour.

Peace and welcome.

:hi:
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. I'm sorry
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 07:42 PM by Democrat Dragon
I'm just upset right now over what Kerry kept saying "no fraud occured" Keep in mind that many DUers also expressed similar feelings making similar arguments during the past month. I should have listened to them.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Oh ... there, there.
:+
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
38. Having worked in the employee relations department for a large corporation
I can tell you that some things are said for effect. The fact that Kerry & Democratic leadership is saying "no fraud occurred" doesn't necessarily mean that they believe this. There's strategy involved here.

Kerry won't be making any public accusations without being able to back them up with hard evidence. Don't lose faith, Democratic Dragon.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. we'd been better off running homer simpson....
and i'm not being facetious...a homer simpson prez run would have been ignored by the piggy, but it would have awakened the same type goofballs who voted for schwartzhog in california....homer (barney maybe the best vp candidate, or maybe hank hill's pal 'dribble', to secure the freeeper vote(?)) would have won, and geebush and his insane gang o thieves in jail right now...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:38 PM
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7. Democrat?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. uhm NOT!
;)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:44 PM
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13. Do you realize that you are floating an accusation of treason
against a Democratic United States Senator?

"Maybe it's true that you fought for Vietnamese Communists, maybe it is not. "

It does not seem to be appropriate for the Democratic Underground :hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. I was just looking for you
to say, "Avert your eyes!" :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Is it almost KO time?
I am in need of some serious :loveya: therapy tonight.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. I was just going to "put the kettle on." n/t :)
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. OMG
This post almost exactly mirrors one of my parodies from earlier! Except - GAH - it's real.

Truth is stranger than fiction, folks! :smoke:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Perhaps he fought for the communists while sitting in his expensive chair
and drinking "expensive" wine, smoking "expensive" cigars, and using "expensive" designer elitist bullets? :P
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. It was just a joke
reffering to some dumb freeper accusations
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Then why on earth did you say this in this very thread?
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. I was so mad at the moment
I felt like I sould believe something so wrong about Kerry. I said it was a dumb joke because it was dumb to put and I wasn't being serious.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Ooooooooh.
:crazy:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:50 PM
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16. Read this. Then take a political history course.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011105W.shtml

Then talk to a professional. This Kerry bashing is PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Hey gray
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Thanks. Can't take the Kerry bashing virus another minute.
Thread after thread after fucking thread. Jesus H. Christ. You'd think the guy was goddamn George Bush.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Me either. They've got the wrong enemy.
and I try SO hard not to swear when I post, too! Sometimes it's so fucking hard! I'm sorta new here - is there a way to "unkick" threads?
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. The little grey ignore box
Is a wonderful thing.

Welcome, BTW. :hi:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #30
40. when in doubt, hit the snooze button.
it is very therapeutic. I'm having one installed on my repuke sister-in-law.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:20 PM
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42. LOL - Can you buy them in bulk ? NT
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Consider the source.
;)

Somethings are not as they "try" to appear. :hi:
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. lighten up guys,...
we've all been pushed to the edge of late,

and I think we have a great tool here at DU to change some of these things......

WE WILL OVERCOME THIS !

and we are regrouping as we speak NGU


:dem: :dem: :dem:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:25 PM
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34. We should be hitting the media
with e-mails and faxes that we would like to see the protests on the 20th as well - in 2000 we didn't see it, not until we saw it in F 9/11, the protesters stopped his procession, he had to walk to his inauguration, and no one saw why. Let them know, we want to see everything that is happening in Washington that week...
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. I do remember
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 08:32 PM by Democrat Dragon
seeing protests on that day.

BTW, by 2008 protesting might be illegal.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:27 PM
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35. Can you say why this won't happen again in 08??
Diebold will still be in place -- it just doesn't matter anymore
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FXDS Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:17 PM
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37. Bush is the coward!
George W Bush is a man that never served in combat or completed his duty in the ang. George W Bush is a man that has been hiding behind daddy or under mommy's skirt tale his whole life!

Please don't call John Kerry a coward!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:31 PM
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39. you feel better, that makes one of us.
seriously dude
:wtf: are you talking about?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Nuthin.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:31 PM
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43. Okay I think I've calmed down now
I'm starting to belive that Kerry WAS doing somehting, but KKKarl Rove and Kenneth Whitesick twarted it, by thwarting the recounts, Kerry knew it was too late to have another recount since it was soooo close to Jan 6th already but it could have occured last week. He may have tried to get the uncounted votes counted, but they were denied. He may have tried to get every senator to challenge the election, but some senators happen to be DLC plants, and Kenny-boy 2 was hiding the smoking gun.

What I hoped in the beginging was a protest twice the size of the anti-war rally, but that was partially the CMW's fault.

I was confident Kerry would be inagurated, my brother told me not to count on it since KKKarl Rove has a back-up plan. He was right.

But this is just a specualtion. I still belive Kerry could have done more and AT LEAST say that fraud is a possibility and even sue Kenny-Boy 2.
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KTM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:53 PM
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44. It is so sad
To see so many "progressive" DU'ers lambast anyone who is disillusioned with Kerry. We have every right to be disappointed with him, at least as much right as you have to continue with your unerring faith he is mysteriously working for change.

Personally, I dont see any evidence, outside of the postings of such hopeful DUers, that Kerry is doing anything of any significance regarding the election fiasco. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've yet to see any evidence to that effect.

Regardless, that so many of you are so quick to ridicule and belittle other posters for their genuine feelings, borne of political passion, is truly saddening. That sort of mean-spirited bashing has no place here.

Sure, put everyone who is dissappointed in Kerry on ignore - hey, that's what Bush does with people whose opinion HE doesn't like, and it works for him too.

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. Suggesting that John Kerry might be a traitor
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 12:08 AM by seito
goes a bit beyond "disillusionment"

I agree "It is sad"

On edit: It appears that the poster chose to edit the post to remove this statement "Maybe it's true that you fought for Vietnamese Communists, maybe it is not. "

Good.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Disillusionment with Kerry is one thing
I disagree, but honor that opinion, because it is your right.

The original post contained some pretty vitriolic personal attacks against Kerry, however, and that's not okay. I fail to see how promoting division by making a vicious personal attack - against a DEM - acheives any good at all. It's very troll-like, if you ask me.

I am heartened that the original poster has calmed down and edited her post.

It's the bashers and haters I have a problem with.
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KTM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. It's the bashers and haters I have a problem with.
But on this thread there is an equal amount of bashing and hating, against fellow DU'ers. To me, THAT is very troll like. Actually, it is very similar to the Bushie's lockstep, the "don't you dare diss my man" mindset.

I say Kerry let me down. If I say it forcefully, you say I am "bashing" Kerry. The fact is, many Dems and progressives feel he cut and ran.. I understand you have a different perspective, and I wont argue with you over it.

The fact that some of us think Kerry performed poorly post-election, and some of us think he did well, should be accepted and learned form - so many in this thread dont want to hear anything negative about Kerry. It's just an opinion - I'm sure you have great passion and reason behind yours, as do I. There is no need to belittle each other for those thoughts.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Well said
and thanks for saying that. Coming from someone with 1000 posts carries far more weight than coming from a newbie like me. lol!

That said, I want to add my 2 cents and say that I was 100% behind Kerry and just recently have given up hope. I question whether he was willing to give up his comfortable lifestyle to fight the down and dirty fight we all know it would be at this point. Continuing to support him doesn't make much sense when he it appears that he isn't doing much on his end to change things. In some ways, it is rougher on all the rest of us because we're feeling powerless and trapped in this unbelievably miserable situation looking at * in office and dreading all the crap he'll put us through, all the lies he'll tell, all the injustices he will perpetrate. We all believed without a doubt that Kerry would be our savior (so to speak) and for all intents and purposes, he is gone.

We need to be able to speak our own individual truth about Kerry in order to let go, mourn the loss and ultimately heal
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:07 AM
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48. Around 51 percent wanted Kerry?
Try 48 percent. Deluding ourselves into thinking that Kerry really "won" is the worst thing we could possibly do. We need to face the reality that we lost and do our best to fix things so we can prevent another loss -- which would be truly devastating -- in 2008.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:47 PM
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50. Imagine if Howard Dean had been the candidate.
Would he have remained silent in the background in order to protect a future campaign? I think not.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. maybe
but he isn't the voice for this campaign now - John Conyers is - and from what I hear it's because of his run for DNC chair.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:55 PM
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52. "Dear John..." may not be the best way to start a letter like this
OTOH maybe in this case it is.
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