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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:13 AM
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Fraud compilation-- did I miss anything BIG ?
I'm not really looking for articles on the net as much as a study-or documentation. like these:

mostly in Chronological order starting around nov 11th







The list of electorial fraud complaints grows everyday. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio there are over 97,000 votes more than registered voters, for Bush. With a Bush lead of 133,000, in Ohio, that means the Bush lead is really 36,000 with Provisional, Absentee, Overseas, and Military ballots still to be counted.

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm



More on Electorial fraid:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/981
http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR110304.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983



Original letter and follow up letter from Reps. Conyers, Nadler,
Wexler, Holt, Scott, Watt and to GAO Comptroller Walker
Requesting Investigation of Voting Machines and Technologies
Used in 2004 Election --

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/g...004ltr11804.pdf
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/g...004ltr11504.pdf



FYI, Our group has thoroughly rebutted all the groups of political
scientists who have tried to debunk our work, and who seem not to even
have read our analyses judging from their criticisms, and whose own
rebuttals to ours have neglected to take the scientific procedures that
were necessary into account like we did.

Our new rebuttal to the vote.MITCaltech cricism of our work is here:
http://ustogether.org/election04/mitteldor...tp-response.htm

And this page thoroughly rebuts the Cornell, Harvard, Stanford critiques
of our work:
http://ustogether.org/election04/dopp/dopp...p_response.html

So far, I have not seen any statisticians or mathematicians criticize our
work.

http://www.opednews.com/friedberg_111504_m...a_whitewash.htm



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http://vote.caltech.edu/Election2004.html

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http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/112004Wal...004waldman.html

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http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/899

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GO TO THESE SITES FOR ALL THE INFO YOU NEED:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny08_...lwup110904.html
http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm
http://www.votersunite.org
http://www.indyvoter.org
http://www.airamericaradio.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
http://www.democraticunderground.com
http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm
http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml

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This may be from TIA:



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Lynn Landes' web site has an excellent overview of voting machine companies, and I'll add a few bits of information to hers.
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm#Other

The largest company, ES&S, was known as American Information Systems (AIS) before 1999. It was founded in 1980 by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich. AIS was largely funded with money from the very wealthy Ahmanson family of California, who also have helped finance The Chalcedon Institute, a dominionist organization that wants to see a return to Biblical Law. Todd Urosevich is still with ES&S, while Bob is currently the President of Diebold. Here's a previous post I made about ES&S with some further info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Many people know about Diebold and ES&S, yet even less prominent companies have these same kinds of connections to the right wing. For instance, Danaher Guardian is run by Steven and Mitchell Rales, who each are worth more than a billion dollars. It was a Danaher Guardian machine that "mistakenly" gave george bush a few thousand extra votes in Franklin County, Ohio (why do these computer glitches always bear right?).

A newsmeat.com search of campaign contributions finds that the Rales have given generously to republican politicians.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=DC&la...

They also have given very generously to an organization called Ameripac. When we visit Ameripac's web site, we are greeted with the smiling faces of tom delay, george w. bush, and bill frist. Also on the front page is a bizarre (and obviously old) headline: "Kerry, The Communist Party's choice, must repudiate endorsement, says AMERIPAC." The press release concludes, “We call on John Kerry to repudiate the Communist Party USA, and walk away from its endorsement,” Gottlieb concluded. “Otherwise, Americans will know that John Kerry’s vision of America has a hammer and sickle waving somewhere over the landscape.”

Also on this sparse web site is a link to "Past Efforts." You would expect to find out about Ameripac's past support for republican politicians. But instead, we're greeted by three photos: Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, and Tom Daschle.

Well, what a fine organization the Rales brothers have helped fund--it's a rightwing smear machine! (Thankfully, the commie John Kerry was defeated--or at least that's what the voting machines told us.)

http://www.ameripac.org /

Another company, Triad GSI of Xenia, Ohio, run by the Rapp family, counts many of the votes in Ohio, including Warren County, which was mysteriously placed under lockdown while the vote counting was done. The father, Tod Rapp, originally wrote the program that counts the votes. He also was a financial supporter of the bush campaign.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Xen...

There is certainly nothing wrong with donating to political campaigns, even those of republicans, but why do all vote-counting companies seem to be tied to the republican party? And as shown on Lynn Landes' site, many have strong ties to military contractors. Why are military contractors so interested in getting into the vote-counting business? Why not try some other line of business, like manufacturing espresso makers?

In 1988, Ronnie Dugger wrote a landmark article about electronic voting for The New Yorker.
http://www.govsux.com/annals_of_democracy.htm

In the article, he said this about fixing elections:

But who on Earth would do such a thing? In Chicago in 1982, 58 Democratic party bosses were convicted of fraud after they were caught stuffing not the ballot box, but the computer. They had punched out fraudulent cards for falsely registered and nonexistent voters, then run them through the card-reader.

There have been numerous other ambiguous cases. Many of them have involved Berkeley's Computer Election Service (CES)-which recently changed its name to Business Records Corporation Election Service. The company is the dominant force In the American election industry; an estimated 33 to 40 percent of all American votes are cast on and counted by CES systems. CES uses aversion of the punch-card voting system prevalent in California.

In 1985, the National Security Agency (NSA)-the government's most expansive and most secretive intelligence service-took an interest in CES. According to the New York Times, NSA was following a directive from then-President Reagan to improve the security of major non-military computer systems.

Government officials were queasy at the prospect of a top-secret military spy agency-particularly NSA, whose domain is high-tech intelligence gathering-delving into the nation's electoral process. According to the Times, an official of the government's General Accounting Office told a Senate committee that NSA's involvement with CES "raises basic questions concerning the extent to which the defense establishment should be involved in policy formulation within the government's civilian agencies."

Geez, that's enough to make your hair stand on end!

BTW, the company mentioned in the Dugger article, CES, was founded in 1984 by Jack Gerbel. CES went on to have several run-ins with the law. Jack Gerbel is now president of Unilect Corporation, whose machines are used in Carteret County, North Carolina, where 4,500 votes were permanently lost.
http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/Globa...

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three articles by Hopsicker on the 2004 election initially posted on MadCowMorningNews and re-posted by scoop.co.nz as a three-part series they're calling The Big Fix . . . apologies if these have been posted before . . .

The Big Fix, Part 1: How To Fix A Presidential Election - Concealed Felons, 'Shadowy Financiers' Own Companies Counting Votes
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00223.htm

The Big Fix, Part 2: Election Company Has Long Criminal History - Thugs, Racketeers Counting American Voteshttp://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00198.htm

The Big Fix, Part 3: "Fraud By Computer" In Florida - Election Official Thwarts Recount Using Phony Vote Totals
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00198.htm

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http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news...10424719.htm?1c

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Statements from the 12-08-04 Judiciary forum on Ohio Election fraud, @ the Sam Rayburn Building, Washington D.C.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/voteforum.html

COnyers files

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/news/releases.html

Kerry letter of 12-16

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_1216.php

In an affidavit filed along with the Cobb-Badnarik-Kerry filing that added recount tampering to their lawsuit,

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/programmer_1215.ph

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...topic_id=106743

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/...oting-facts.pdf

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

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http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/12/images/MossvBush1...

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http://freepress.org/images/departments/Po...ePaper181_1.pdf

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/pdfs/Mitofsky4zonedata/

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ES&S claims to have counted 56% of the vote in the last four presidential elections. Brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded its predecessor AIS in the 1980s. Bob Urosevich programmed for and was CEO of ES&S; he is now president of Diebold Election Systems. . Bob Urosevich created the original software architecture for Diebold Election Systems, and his original company, called I-Mark Systems, can be found in the source code signatures. His brother Todd is currently a vice president at ES&S Business Records Corp. which was merged with AIS to become ES&S, was partially owned by Cronus, a company with a number of reported connections to the infamous Hunt brothers from Texas, as well as other individuals and entities, including Rothschild, Inc. Howard Ahmanson (who financed AIS) and Nelson Bunker Hunt have both heavily contributed to The Chalcedon Institute, an organization that mandates Christian "dominion" over the world, with its own interpretation of “biblical rule” substituted for the Constitution of the United States.



HAVA was signed into law on October 12, 2002. The Commission was to have been created by February 26, 2003. However, The President did not submit his proposed nominees to the Senate until October 3, 2003. Senate Committee Hearings on the President’s nominees to the HAVA Commission were held on October 27, 2003. The nominations had not yet come to the floor for Senate approval as of November 23, 2004.
None of the HAVA Committees and Boards has been established. Thus, the Technical Guidelines and compliance standards will not be available by the time that state implementation plans are due on January 1, 2004.
In order to qualify for HAVA funding and to comply with HAVA requirements, states have been contracting to purchase voting systems that can not possibly be HAVA compliant, since there do not yet exist any HAVA standards.
As the National Association of Secretaries of State points out, this creates an impossible conundrum under the law. “Without full funding of HAVA, the states are being forced to comply with the new federal law without adequate assistance from the very leaders who promised to provide the resources to make federal participation in this process a success.”
Prompted by aggressive lobbying on the part of manufacturers and vendors, and the advocacy of The Election Center, a one-man organization based in Texas, which operates as the self-appointed “Secretariat” to the National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) the states’ response to the Help America Vote Act has been to replace older voting systems with computerized electronic voting systems, also know as Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines.
Many election officials including Secretaries of States have been persuaded that there are no problems, and that what problems remain can be overcome via policies, procedures and guidelines they can implement at the local level. This is not accurate. In the absence of stringent testing requirements, and disagreement over the type of voter verification required, several serious security flaws within these systems have been revealed, which undermine the intent of the law and put the integrity of America’s election process in jeopardy.



Here is the whole link to the article..

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:x6w3b04hKvgJ:www.b...

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These are some of the BEST studies on Exit Poll discrepancy and other anomalies and facts, basically showing that Kerry won.

The UC Berkeley study found 130,000 to 260,000 phantom votes for Bush (or votes stolen from Kerry) in FLA's three biggest Democratic counties (Miami, Dade, Palm Beach) comparing electronic voting vs. other methods of voting. So it's NOT just the Exit Polls.

Dr. Freeman's 2nd paper makes some very strong political statements (re: our democracy), as does Dr. Baiman's. TruthIsAll's series "To believe Bush won, you have to believe..." sums up a whole lot of info from various sources, as well as his own statistical analysis.

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Dr. Steven Freeman's papers on the exit poll discrepancies (U of Penn/MIT)

(1st paper) http://www.truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf
(also at: http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/Expldiscrpv00oPt1... )
(2nd paper) http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm

Dr. Ron Baiman's paper on national exit poll discrepancy (U of Chic)
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/99 ...

Dr. Michael Hout & UC stats team on 100,000+ phantom Bush votes in FLA (UC Berk)
http://ucdata.berkeley.edu

Ohio report
http://www.bpac.info

and

TruthIsAll's series: "To believe Bush won, you have to believe…"

Part 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Part 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Part 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...




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Conyers letter to Asscroft:

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/conyers_a..._letter_114.php

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More TIA--

2000 exit polls
>http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x286686#286704
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>2000 vs 2004
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011805Y.shtml

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...topic_id=293621

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To Ted Koppel:

Given how very dismissive ABC has been so far in its coverage of the 2004 election theft, I am concerned about how you will present the story tonight. Your promo for tonight's program already suggests that you will once again be dismissive. You do this at your own peril. According to Annenberg, approximately 30% of the American people now believe the 2004 election was stolen. That's a 50% increase in the number of people who hold that belief in just the past six weeks.

You only show your own uninformed, complacent, incredulous or perhaps (in the eyes of many Americans) co-conspiratorial position if you dismiss the evidence for the 2004 election theft. You must know by now that -- even though the corporate media is still holding back from releasing the full exit poll data (for what useful reason escapes us) -- the complete final national exit poll data (not the incomplete early "leaked" data your promo refers to) have already been released on-line by a New Zealand media organization who bought the complete data before Mitofsky stopped responding to requests for it. Those data have been analyzed and those analyses are now widely available. Maybe that's why 100 million Americans believe the election was stolen.

You must also know that the analyses of Dr. Steven Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania are based on the final exit poll data available to all of us directly off CNN at midnight on election day -- once again not the early data leaked on the Internet that your promo refers to. Dr. Freeman's analysis indicates that someone is twice as likely to win PowerBall with a single ticket than that the discrepency between the exit polls and the "reported" vote in just three states -- OH, FL and PA -- occurred by chance. Other analysts -- again using the complete state-level exit poll data (available on CNN at midnight on election night) put the likelihood that the discrepencies between the final exit polls and the "reported" vote in 16 states occurred by chance at 13.5 trillion to one.

Finally, another analysis by Dr. Freeman demonstrates the election theft without using exit poll data. Simply put, Freeman looked at people who voted in 2004 and distributed them according to their self-reported 2000 voting status and their 2004 voting decision within three categories:

1) 2000 Gore or Bush voters who voted for Kerry or Bush in 2004,
2) 2000 3rd party voters who voted in 2004 for Kerry or Bush, and
3) New voters in 2004.

These categories should include all voters for Kerry or Bush in 2004. With this analysis, Freeman has shown that approximately 4.3 million votes were switched from Kerry to Bush between the time the votes were cast and the time the votes were counted. Here's the table from one of the appendices to Dr. Freeman's paper (which is attached):

(Guys, I can't get the Freeman table to line up right in this post. I basically used a simplified version of Freeman's table 2.2 on page 24 in the appendix from his updated paper. Wish I could get it to line up because it is a KILLER table. Here's a link to the full paper and appendix: http://truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf )

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This has to be put in the tin foil hat area:

http://www.madcowprod.com/01042004.html

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the full MITOFSKY EXIT POLL REPORT.

http://www.exit-poll.net/election-night/EvaluationJan19...

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January 20, 2005
Warren Mitofsky
Mitofsky International
1776 Broadway - Suite 1708
New York, NY 10019

Larry Rosin
President
Edison Media Research
6 W. Cliff St.
Somerville, NJ 08876


Dear Mr. Mitofsky and Mr. Rosin:

I have reviewed the internal report you issued yesterday concerning your exit polling in the 2004 election, and, unfortunately, it has not caused my concerns and questions regarding the significant discrepancies between your polling data and the final electoral results to diminish.

In particular, I would note that there are a number of concerns with the explanations you posited in your internal report that do not credibly account for the unprecedented five point differential between your exit polls and the reported results. As I am sure you know, Professor Steven Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania has determined that such a differential was of a less than 1 in a 1000 likelihood - virtually impossible as a statistical matter.

To be frank, blaming such factors as distant restrictions on polling places, weather conditions, the age of exit poll workers, and the fact that multiple precincts were contained at the same polling place, as your report does, does not come close to explaining why the exit polls overstated support for the Kerry/Edwards ticket in 26 states and support for the Bush/Cheney ticket in only 4 states. Many of the factors you point to appear to merely be random characteristics of the election and your exit polling, rather than quantifiable and justifiable explanations. Nor can I believe that the massive discrepancies can credibly be written off to eagerness of Kerry voters to participate in the exit polls.

As a result, I would like to reiterate my request to receive the actual raw exit poll data that you obtained. I would also like to obtain copies of all internal deliberations, memos and other materials of your employees and consultants concerning or seeking to explain the discrepancies. To the extent you have concerns regarding releasing propriety information, I am willing to work with you to either receive this information on a confidential basis, or alternatively to bring in a neutral, outside expert to review these materials.

The stakes for our democracy are simply too high for us to allow this matter to pass without a serious and substantive review of the exit poll data. While the election is over, there is significant bipartisan sentiment in Congress and around the nation for voting reform. A complete and full release of the exit poll information will therefore not only help to resolve lingering doubts regarding irregularities in the 2004 election, it will also go a long way towards helping Congress understand how to best craft these reforms. I am hopeful that the media companies that contract for your services will also understand and support the importance of providing full, complete, and transparent information in this matter.

I would appreciate your responding to my office through my Judiciary Committee staff, Perry Apelbaum and Ted Kalo, 2142 Rayburn House Office Building (tel. 202-225-6504, fax 202-225-4423), by January 27th. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Member
House Judiciary Committee

cc: Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Chairman, House Judiciary Committee
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Comyers final report

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/o...tusrept1505.pdf

Dr Freeman's site:

http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm

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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:28 AM
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1. Great summary. I'd add
the most recent report from the 9 PhD's reviewing and critiquing Mitofsky's summary.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:29 AM
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2. Would that be dr Freeman? got a link?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:23 PM
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3. Wow! Fabulous compilation! THANKS!
(9 Ph.D's from leading universities call for investigation of 2004 Election)

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

Here's my paragraph summarizing their report:

On Jan. 29, nine Ph.D.'s and other top experts from leading universities issued a report that calls the 2004 election results into serious question. They find that Kerry won the exit polls (by a 3% margin). They find the odds against exit poll error--and thus, the odds against the Bush win in the official results--to be 1 in 10 million. They find a large, unexplained skew toward Bush at the precinct level in electronic voting vs. paper ballot (a skew that has been confirmed by several other reports--see the U.C. Berkeley/Florida, and democraticunderground.com/North Carolina reports, below).

This Jan. 29 report also finds the explanation by Edison/Mitofsky (the exit pollster) for why Kerry won the exit polls--that Republicans were shy of the pollsters--to be without foundation. In fact, the data points to the opposite conclusion--that the exit polls actually favored Bush--which makes the unexplained discrepancy between the exit polls and the official results even larger. The report calls for a full investigation of the 2004 election--the latest in a growing list of expert reports that do so.

This report comes after many other analyses and reports (see below), all of which point to the same thing: Stolen Election II, this time by electronic means.

Exit poll analysis: astronomical odds against Bush win

Dr. Steven Freeman: http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm
Dr. Ron Baiman: http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/997
Dr. Webb Mealy: http://www.selftest.net/redshift.htm
Jonathan Simon:http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

(9 Ph.D's from leading universities call for investigation of 2004 Election)
http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

(Florida: 130,000 to 230,000 phantom votes for Bush--paper vs. electronic voting:)
Dr. Michael Haut & UC Berkeley stats team: http://ucdata.berkeley.edu

Democratic Underground (ignatzmouse):
(North Carolina: absentee ballot vs. electronic, inexplicable 6% edge to Bush in electronic:)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x45003
(also at:) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/12/233831/06

Johns Hopkins report on insecurity of electronic voting (general): http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00196.htm#5

Ohio vote suppression: http://www.bpac.info

TruthIsAll: "To believe Bush won, you have to believe…"

Part 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1316010

Part 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1358806

Part 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x197878

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NOTE CHANGES IN THE ABOVE LIST: Especially, the addition of Dr. Mealy. And simplification of Dr. Freeman urls. Freeman has withdrawn his 2nd report from the internet, pending its publication as a book in May. His first report, and how to contact for a copy of the 2nd report, are at the above url. I've also added ignatzmouse's analysis of No. Carolina.

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Here's a list of 9 Ph.D.s signed onto the recent Jan. 29 report. It's quite an impressive list:

Contributors and Supporters include:

Josh Mitteldorf, Ph.D. - Temple University Statistics Department
Kathy Dopp, MS in mathematics - USCountVotes, President
Steven F. Freeman, PhD - Center for Organizational Dynamics, University of Pennsylvania
Brian Joiner, PhD - Prof. of Statistics and Director of Statistical Consulting (ret), University of Wisconsin
Frank Stenger, PhD in mathematics - School of Computing, University of Utah
Richard G. Sheehan, PhD - Department of Finance, University of Notre Dame
Elizabeth Liddle, MA - (UK) PhD candidate at the University of Nottingham Paul F. Velleman, Ph.D. - Department of Statistical Sciences, Cornell University
Victoria Lovegren, Ph.D. - Department of Mathematics, Case Western Reserve University
Campbell B. Read, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Department of Statistical Science, Southern Methodist University

Also Peer Reviewed by USCountVotes’ core group of statisticians and independent reviewers.

Press Contact: Bruce O'Dell, USCountVotes, Vice President bruce@uscountvotes.org
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The report is only 5 pages long, and well worth reading. Its final page--the summary--makes a good quotation, especially their call for a full investigation.

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I formatted for DU a table from Dr. Freeman's 2nd report (now generally unavailable, until publication in May), which shows--using data quite separate from the Exit Polls--that the result (Bush winning) is in serious doubt. He did a prediction of the vote based on the base vote going in (who voted in 2000), 3rd party switch to Kerry, and new voter registration (which dramatically favored Kerry), and found a discrepancy of some 4 million votes. In short, Kerry should have won. These figures are inexplicable otherwise. Here it is:

Table 2.2. Expected Presidential Votes based on Changes From the 2000 Election

----------Dem (G or K)---------Bush ------------3rd Party--------Tot

2000:----50,999,897 (48%)---50,456,002 (48%)---3,949,201 (4%)---105,405,100
2004:----57,890,314 (48%)---61,194,773 (51%)---1,170,071 (1%)---120,255,158

Increase:---6,890,417--------10,738,771----minus(2,779,130)-----14,850,058 (14%)


(Distributing the votes on a reasonable expectation formula:)

(1) 95%
of 00 vote----48,400,00------47,900,000---------3,800,000------100,000,000

(2) 3rd
Party -----2,300,000 (64%)------600,000 (17%)
-----------------------------------------------New voters: 20,200,000

(3) New
Voters
distrib'ed ----11,500,000 (57%)---8,300,000 (41%)

Expected
Total --------62,200,000-------56,800,000


Discre-
pancy --------(4,300,000)-------4,400.000


Freeman explains this very simply in his section entitled, "The Numbers Don’t Add Up." He says that, in 2000, Gore won the popular vote by more than half a million, but in 2004, Bush beat Kerry by 3.3 million—yet there were only two major changes in the voting population: 1) the 3rd party vote declined by 2.8 million, and 2) get-out-the-vote campaigns. 95% of the 2000 electorate voted in the 2004 election. That gives Kerry a base of 48.4 million (Gore voters), and Bush 47.9 million. Election night polls showed that Kerry got 64% of ex-Nader voters (2.5 million) and Bush got only 17% (600,000). In 2004, Dems beat Repubs in new voter registration by 57% to 41%. And when you add these three blocks of voters together—the base vote from 2000, the 3rd Party vote, and new voter registration—"…it looks as though Kerry somehow received 4,300,000 votes less than he should have, and Bush somehow received over 4,400,000 votes more than he should have."
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:15 PM
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4. Outstanding compilation!! Thank you and....
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 01:17 PM by understandinglife
....please post it at www.velvetrevolution.us

Thank you.


BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION;24/7
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:34 PM
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5. Very well done! This can be used as a great education source!
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:23 PM
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6. Great work! I don't see RH Phillips's work
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 02:25 PM by emlev
though maybe you have it linked to from Freepress. I didn't follow your links.

All of Dr. Phillips's studies on Ohio are at:
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm

Also, Do you have the Bernie1's stuff on Florida?
Warren Stewart and Ellen Thiesen's work on NM?
If you don't, I can track down those links for you.

I look forward to seeing this on VelvetUnderground.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:20 PM
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7. Most excellent--thanks for the additions-- and I welcome any more
Thanks--very much
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:36 PM
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8. Kick for more input. GREAT WORK!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:51 PM
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9. thanks--and kick
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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 05:58 PM
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10. Terrific work!
Have you sent this compilation to DNC/Terry McAuliffe since they're putting up funds to investigate the Ohio vote? (I apologize if this has already been discussed.)
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 07:06 PM
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11. Documentation on phantom Cuyahoga votes not found????????
Where did you get the info that more than 97,000 votes recorded than
registered voters. I could not find any such documentation on the URL posted?

Are you sure about this?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:23 PM
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12. Links, spreadsheets, and Cuyahoga study
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:51 PM
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13. The Nashua Advocate.
It's self-serving, I know, Roger, to mention this -- but we've written more stories on election reform than just about any other news source in America over the past two months. You've listed a number of great news sources; we're one of the only ones I've seen anywhere, however, which focuses solely on election reform and issues relating to irregularities in the recent presidential election.

Hope you'll check us out here.

Thanks,

The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate
Nashua, NH

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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 09:18 PM
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14. check this thread
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:18 PM
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15. Good information & E. P. Info but not much documentation- there is some
I think the best documentation available overall of the widespread vote machine fraud, systematic dirty tricks in minority precincts all over the country, and suppression of minority and Dem vote through registration irregularities and dirty tricks, widespread manipulation of absentee and provisional ballots is the over 40,000 irregularities reported to the EIRS hotline documenting the widespread and systematic occurance of all of these- especially in swing states like Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa all of which evidence indicates were likely swung to bush through these mechinisms.
Documentation showing widespread and systematic occurances of all of these in over 20 states is at:
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

There is currently an effort to get affidavits of many of these thousands of occurrances in Florida, New Mexico, and Ohio where some have already been collected. Hundreds of precincts have been identified in Ohio & Florida with vote machine fraud or other fraud.
Similar in New Mexico. And all had large scale systematic dirty tricks and suppression of minorities.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:22 PM
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16. Holy cow!
OUTSTANDING!

What does one say when presented with such a document.

Except, thank you!

:)
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davidgmills Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:50 PM
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17. The US together links don't work
Can these articles be accessed some other way?
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:07 AM
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18. Permanent Link needed to this or something like it at Top of our
forum. People who come to our forum need instant access to this kind of info esp. the newbies. Can a mod help us out with this? Do others agree?
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:57 AM
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20. Permakick! too good to die! n/t
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:21 AM
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19. kick
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