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RedTail Wolf Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:38 AM
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If Kerry doesn't ask for investigation can one happen?
My understanding is that the candidate has to sue for fraud or for a re count. Kerry seems content with the election being over. He's moving on. I sure thought when John Edwards came out on Election late night /early morning and said, He wanted to make sure every vote counted, that he meant it. Then Kerry threw in the towel so fast the next day I was frankly amazed and really mad. I am still mad that these accusations are flying and some seem to be legit and Kerry has said nothing.

I wish that the allegations could be proven. I have visited sited claiming to be investigating and asking for cash to help. I gave my vacation savings to Kerry/Edwards, so that avenue is closed for me.
I read a blog somewhere and I can't recall which one it was that some sites are only scamming people out of cash and doing nothing. Anyone have any info about this?

Please post legit sites that are proving something.

Thanks, Be blessed
RedTail Wolf
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:40 AM
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1. Check out...
www.blackboxvoting.org

Give em a few bucks if you can, I did.....
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joanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:40 AM
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2. I sure would like some answers also
It isnt just Kerry MIA.

WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS?

This is disgusting.

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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:07 AM
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7. I agree. Why should it come down to people like us on DU
taking a stand. Where are all of our Represenatives and Senators we elected? Why don't they all stand up and say something? I realize that there are now 6 Democrats that are taking a stand for an investigation, but it's going to take more than that.

It's like a bad nightmare. I hope I wake up soon...
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:41 AM
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3. Certainly
If there are criminal activities for one example, if a third party candidate challenges the result in a state for another and calls for an investigations a result, if Congress starts an investigation, if a state starts an investigation or even a local prosecutor.

It will happen if there is sufficient public pressure.

The vote belongs to us, not to Kerry or the DNC.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:42 AM
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4. Remember ... Nader lost in Florida, too.
He could ask for a recount, like he did in N.H.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:47 AM
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5. Investigation
I don't think Kerry has to do anything for now. Hopefully he is doing something behind the scenes. I would imagine there are lots of people who could start an investigation, including congress(which already may be), or the FBI.
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:04 AM
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6. It's not up to Kerry, it's up to US.
He's not the one who got screwed...WE DID!!!!

When Gore refused to concede and pursued Florida in the courts, it really turned many Americans off. With it came the appearance of sour grapes, hence the "Sore Loserman" meme. It was bad for Gore and bad for Democrats.

This movement to pursue the story of how the 2004 election was stolen needs to come from the grassroots, not from a "defeated" campaign. Otherwise, it just looks like desperation.

I think Kerry is doing the right thing. He doesn't have to "un-concede." There's nothing binding about a concession. It's the gentlemanly thing to do and the presidential thing to do, since you assume that the process is fair (wink, wink). Crying "You cheated!" diminishes you.

If Kerry fought this with an army of lawyers, it would not bode well for the country or his presidency. WE have to do it!

Let the people cry "Bush cheated!" If Kerry becomes president this way, then the people's voice will indeed have been heard.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:43 AM
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8. I would think in a federal election,
if fraud or hacking of the ballot box can be proven, it then becomes a federal matter and all of those types of machines they find hacking on will be recounted to protect the integrity of the election.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:20 AM
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10. Well said, jjmalonejr ...
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 03:21 AM by Joolz
<< This movement to pursue the story of how the 2004 election was stolen needs to come from the grassroots, not from a "defeated" campaign. Otherwise, it just looks like desperation. >>

Yes. This is what I've been thinking all along. This is up to WE the PEOPLE. So far, I think we are rising to the challenge. Don't give up, folks. Let's keep up the pressure and pile it on. This one is OURS to do. Now is not the time to become discouraged. This is OUR country. Take it back!

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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 02:02 AM
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9. I wrote this on another post. Thank God for cut and paste.
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 02:04 AM by Dem2theMax
Here is what I think. Kerry/Edwards are very much involved with what is going on right now -- BEHIND the scenes. We need to get the media to pay attention to VOTER FRAUD.

As I asked in a previous post, 'what do the repukes always do when someone points a finger at them?' They find a distraction. If Kerry were to come out now, they'd be pointing fingers at HIM, yelling about how 'Kerry is trying to steal the election.' And the White House controlled media would pay attention to ?? - 'Kerry stealing the election.' They wouldn't do a single thing about reporting on voter fraud. Kerry HAS to stay out of the light right now. The story has to be about voter fraud, not Kerry. And the more stories we have the better. The repukes can't pull off THAT many distractions.

Secondly, something I thought about after hearing KKKarl on the political shows on Sunday. What could be better than giving Rove/*/gang the chance to brag about what they plan on doing in the future? What could be better than * speaking last week and hearing him be so blatantly arrogant? What could be better than hearing that Iran is next? The 'draft' word is being used more and more. What could be better than hearing that MOST of the world is AGAINST *? I think this can help Kerry as well.

Maybe, just maybe, this is going to make people who voted for * think about what they have done. They voted their 'values/morals' and look what it got them. Another war. A draft. An arrogant idiot who thinks he's on a throne. And hundreds and probably thousands of more bloody, dead bodies in Iraq. And if it does make them think, so much the better for us when the voter fraud story finally hits home.
Maybe a lot of those Americans who voted for * would now be happy to see Kerry take his rightful place. It would sure help us in turning this thing around if we have * voters going against him after a few short weeks. I really think Kerry/Edwards have thought this through and I think they are giving * just enough rope to hang himself in the court of public opinion.

I think John Kerry knows exactly what he is doing. He didn't give a concession speech to give up. He did it to SHUT UP the repukes. If they were yelling, we'd NEVER hear about Black Box Voter fraud.

All's quiet folks. It's OUR turn to yell.

Back to RedTail Wolf - I'd go with BlackBoxVoting.org too. They have been fighting this fight for three years now.

Forgot to add: Blessings to you as well RedTail Wolf. :)
I saw a rainbow this afternoon. First one I have seen in years. Felt like it was a sign that the Heavens are listening to us. I can't believe that the truth won't win this time. It has to.

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