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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:59 PM
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Internet Streaming/Radio Show Follow-Up to Oakland event, Sunday 2/27
KPFA (Berkeley, CA's Pacifica station) will have a one-hour interview with some of the speakers from the Oakland teach in on Larry Bensky's Sunday Salon, from 10-11 a.m. PST on Sunday. Larry Bensky is one of the speakers at the teach-in as well. (This is the second hour of the show. The first hour looks great, too, and is on CIA-related issues.)

Listen at 94.1 FM
Stream at http:www.kpfa.org

Guests to be on the show are likely to include Bob Fitrakis of Free Press (one of the Ohio 4 attorneys) and Emily Levy of Richard Hayes Phillips's project, whose name sounds vaguely similar to this DUer.

Call-ins will be accepted.

(Note that the sundaysalon.org website currently contains inaccurate program info, should be updated at some point.)
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:18 PM
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1. TERRIFIC! Readers, please Recommend Topic for Greatest Page too
We certainly want other DUers that can't attend and don't regularly come to this forum to know about this.

Thanks
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:46 AM
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2. Recommended and kick! n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:07 PM
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3. Sounds great. Can't wait to listen in....
Before we see them in LA.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:44 PM
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4. kick
:kick:
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:39 AM
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5. to the top of the page
:kick:
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:43 PM
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6. *bump*
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:13 PM
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7. *****ON NOW*****
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:40 PM
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8. GO TO: http://www.kpfa.org/listen/
On right now.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:17 PM
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9. solarbus.org received a big plug!
Congrats, garybeck!

Mentioned that the handout with activism ideas for the teach-in is posted on the website...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:42 PM
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10. KPFA flooded with emails and phone calls during the broadcast!
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 02:47 PM by Peace Patriot
Sunday Salon host Larry Bensky commented on the listener interest.

When I tuned in, they were talking about Warren Stewart and the New Mex situation, where Democrats are the miscreants.

Someone (a man) was saying there are election reform efforts going on in 13 states, and these are more likely to achieve real reform than anything in Congress (I agree!).

Emily Levy (juiceforjustice.org) mentioned the Calif/Kevin Shelley situation, and that Calif's need to be contacting to state senators and assembly folk. Right on lady, that!

Then (Jeff???) discussion of exit polls and swing states, and Jonathan Simon analysis (it's at Alliance for Democracy web site, or he did it for them? --(I found him at www.scoop.co.nz)

Mention of FLA and optiscan fraud.

Discussion of paper ballots. Someone said a Dem old pol told him that paper resulted in the most VOTER errors (hm-m-m). Someone else: don't need this obsession with technology, unreliable systems, voter errors can be reduced with scanners (that won't accept undervotes, etc.) and handicapped can be accessible with paper.

Dispute between two talkers: re Is electronic voting the same as ATM thing--w receipt and all. One said, voting significantly different because of required ballot secrecy.

Someone mentioned our society's obsession with speed. What's wrong with taking a couple of days to count the vote? They have paper in Canada and report the vote the same night.

DON GOLDMACHER called in (Oakland teach-in organizer). His main point: GRASS ROOTS PUSH NEEDED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. This is not something that's going to be solved by some nice Senator. What got Boxer onto Jan. 6 was BIG GRASS ROOTS PUSH, PRESSURE. Get organized in your communities, whatever groups you need to form. Only the People are going to get this done.

Someone mentioned that 2000 stolen in a different way, and HAVA was not sufficient to fix it (I'll say!)

Then someone (too many speaking for me to keep names straight--might have been Walter Riley of Vanguard) said we have to reach out to conservatives, and people in red states--a non-partisan issue. (I have a problem with this--which I'll discuss in a moment.)

Emily Levy (juiceforjustice.org) said they NEED PEOPLE IN OHIO to go to the Boards of Elections to obtain records that BofE refuses to mail--for researchers outside of Ohio. OHIOANS, TAKE NOTE!

And support freepress.org and other lawsuits.

Riley made the last comment--that the election fraud in 2004 is resulting in items like the Negroponte nomination--the reverse of what so many of us have been fighting for for so long, real democracy.

Sorry I didn't catch all of this broadcast, and get the names nailed down.

All in all, it was A GREAT SHOW. Very focused. Good information. Larry said that Sunday Salon would stay on this issue. Lots of interest.

(My beef about conservatives and "reaching out" to them. BushCons stole our right to vote--deliberately, methodically, criminally. And any Republicans and conservatives who are NOT BushCons--not maniacal warmongers, Armageddonists, and federal budget destroyers--are benefitting from the Bush Cartel's crimes, and have been SILENT about election fraud, mass murder in Iraq, massive theft by the Bush Cartel and blatant violations of the US Constitution. So, to hell with them, I say. THEY made this a partisan issue! We didn't! I'm feeling really pissy about it. HOWEVER, I DO know that, a) a lot of Republican votes for Kerry were stolen!; and that, b) therefore, many ORDINARY PEOPLE who are Republicans are ALSO not being represented by their gov't, have been disenfranchised, and would probably approve of transparent, verifiable elections. The problem is distingushing between the cheaters, liars and thieves who now dominate the Rep Party, and others who may not be such creeps. We also have a problem in OUR OWN PARTY with pro-unjust war Democrats and even pro-paperless voting and pro-Diebold Democrats. So the problem does cut across party lines, to some extent. But it WASN'T DEMOCRATS who stole the last three elections! '00, '02 and '04. Obviously. Some of the Dem leaders were malfeasant on this election SYSTEM, but they did not commit massive crimes to win--as the BushCons have done.)
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 04:35 PM
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11. Thanks for the excellent report
"election reform efforts going on in 13 states" That's great to hear! Less than a month ago, reliable sources told me 8 states had election reform bills pending, so this is a significant increase!

As far as the reaching out to repubs issue goes - a couple of things to keep in mind. 1) The GOP was hijacked by the Bushcons - they are NOT the typical conservatives that used to run the party. Many of these disenfranchised moderate repubs are very motivated for true election reform. They see it as the only chance of ever getting their party back. They are totally freaked out by the huge deficit, expansion of govt power and rise of social conservatism (interference in gay issues, abortion, breaching the wall separating church and state, etc.). 2) We need ALL the legitimate help we can get. The key word is legitimate. If someone is willing to back the right reform issues, it will help us get where we need to go.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 04:37 PM
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12. Sounds like they got it wrong regarding Florida?? Wasn't Hout there?? why
why not?? (Univ. of Calif. Berkeley)

Mention of FLA and optiscan fraud?????

I'm not aware of any evidence of optical scan fraud in florida??
What is this about??

Virtually all of the problems found in Florida and all of the studies indicate the big problems in Florida were in the big
Touchscreen counties, especially Palm Beach, Broward and Dade.

Florida had more fraud and more irregularities reported to the Election Protection EIRS hotline than any other state, but virtually all of the reported problems were from touchscreen fraud(switching) and suppression of minority vote in the big Touchscreen counties.

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
(Hout's study is referenced in this)
Hout's study showing problems in the touchscreen counties was the
most publicized study on Florida, but mine was similar and found
similar results:
http://www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html


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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 04:46 PM
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13. If you missed it, the show is archived here:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 06:00 PM
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14. The girl on the panel corrected the host in regards
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 06:01 PM by Andy_Stephenson
To Paper Ballots vs Paper Trails.

Give that Girl an A++

She made me very proud!!!!

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 07:54 PM
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15. I think it was Emily Levy of juiceforjustice.org. I noticed she was very
...good on a number of issues--well informed, well focused. I was very impressed, too, with her knowledgeable comment on the Kevin Shelley situation. (Unfortunately, she got cut off before she could say much about that.)

I'm pretty sure there was only one woman among the guests--Emily.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:37 PM
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16. From one of the guests on the show
I had the great experience of being one of the guests on Sunday Salon today, and can clarify some of the comments so far in this thread. Thanks, everyone, for your kind words about what I said. And yes, I was the only female guest.

All of the guests and the host were speakers at yesterday's teach-in.
Host, Larry Bensky of KPFA
Guests:
Bob Fitrakis, Columbus Free Press (freepress.org)--one of the Ohio four (he was on briefly in the first half of the show, by phone from the noisy airport on his way to the Santa Monica teach-in)
Bob Kibrick, legislative analyst from Verified Voting (verifiedvoting.org)
Walter Riley, activist from the Bay Area, attorney, chair of the board of Vanguard Public Foundation (a great organization, by the way)
and me, Emily Levy, project coordinator for Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. for his statistical analysis of Ohio vote (and all-around election activist)

If the comment about election reform efforts in 13 states was about state legislation, then it was Bob Kibrick. Otherwise, I'm not sure.

Jeff who mentioned exit polls was a listener who called in.

The comments about this nation's apparent obsession with the speed of counting votes came from Larry Bensky and Walter Riley.

I don't recall mention of optiscan fraud in Florida.

Bob Kibrick and Larry Bensky had a conversation about the difference between ATMs and voting machines. Bob was trying to explain that there's a significant difference in the two because with voting machines your vote must be completely anonymous as soon as it's cast, but with ATMs, while the transaction is considered private, it's not anonymous--we *need* the bank to know whose account the money is entering and exiting. Apparently the anonymity factor is a significant challenge in e-voting system design.

I appreciate your highlighting my comment about needing people on the ground in Ohio to go BOEs for information. If you're available to do that, please PM me. (My website juiceforjustice.com is my personal website, largely dedicated to election stuff. It's new and not complete yet, but you're welcome to take a look and I can be emailed from there.)

Thanks for your kudos, Andy and others. Andy, we're all thinking of you and hoping for the best. As you may know, we took up a collection for you at the teach-in, which went quite well. You should recieve that very soon.

I feel good about the show. Larry Bensky and KPFA are great allies on this issue. They will do more in the future.

I'll be posting later tonight more about the teach-in on one of the threads about that. Not sure yet which thread, but I'll try to post a link to the one I choose from the ones I don't. It's been a pretty powerful weekend. Looking forward to hearing about the L.A (Santa Monica, really) teach-in as well.

Emily Levy

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:48 PM
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17. YOur welcome and thanks Emily
you did a first rate job!
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 11:50 AM
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19. Thank You, Thank You Emily
Your mention of VotersUnite.org and "Myth Breakers" was greatly appreciated. I was able to listen to just about the whole program on my way out of the Bay Area heading back to Seattle.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 12:23 PM
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20. Glad you heard it, John. Question for you
I finally got to read your 14-page hand-out from the teach-in yesterday. It's really fantastic. Lots of stuff I didn't know. The specific stories are great. Is this document available online? If so, can you announce it and post the link in a new DU thread? I think people here will really want to read it.

I'm really glad you were able to come to the teach-in and that I got to meet you. I look forward to continuing to work together.
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JohnGideon Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:47 PM
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25. Yes, It is Available and Now Announced
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:25 AM
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18. kick
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 05:15 PM
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21. emlev, and others who were at either Teach-In:
I am curious about...

WHAT DO YOU FEEL NOW ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT ACTIONS SHOULD BE?

In California?

Nationally?

What feels most urgent to you? What would be most effective?

What sense did you get from these speakers, about "what next"?
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 05:22 PM
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22. Mobilize, educate, and gets these bills passed. step 2 is impeach bush
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 05:23 PM by KingoftheJungle
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 07:54 PM
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23. Thinking out loud about your questions
They're excellent questions, and I'm honored that you directed them toward me as well as others.

I don't have a "whole package" answer for you, but I'll tell you the pieces rattling around in my brain.

I really believe that to make change we absolutely need massive public outcry. And it needs to come not only from the left, but from the center and the right as well. I think this is challenging, but not impossible. People of all stripes (and probably all stars, for that matter) in this country believe in the right to vote and fair elections. They need to be offered ways to take a stand for this meet these requirements, at bare minimum:

1) Are recognizable as consistent with their other beliefs.

2) Don't leave them feeling that they're siding with the enemy (which they may see as us).

3) Keep them connected to other people who are important to them, rather than placing them in isolation from their communities and systems of support when they take a stand.

4) Offer them do-able actions that fit in with their particular parts of the culture. In other words, a "teach-in" sounds too hippie-ish for the right, and rallies are not likely to be that attractive, either. But letter-writing or calling campaigns could work. Someone who's familiar with the organizing strategies of the right is needed to help devise a campaign. (Revivals for Democracy?)

How do we get there?

People evaluate the information they receive for a number of things, one of which is believability. For information to be believable, it must come from a source one trusts. Sadly, most of this country trusts the MSM, and they're not getting information on this issue there. So we have to get it to them through other sources they believe, other people and institutions they trust.

This can happen on a personal level, with information about the dangers our democracy is in being conveyed from person to person through trusting relationships. But because of the time crunches, that's not enough. We need to create strategies for moving the information outward into ever more conservative communities. My guess is that it won't travel well directly from the group of people who believe in it now to very conservative circles, but that it needs to go gradually--and very quickly--from the left toward the right.

The few people in the center or on the right who already understand the issues at least to some extent could be key in this strategy. I'm thinking of Chuck Herrin, that Republican candidate featured in Votergate (from Louisiana, I think) who tried voting for herself as a test on many machines in the warehouse and they kept registering for her opponent, and the few conservative news folk who have written good stuff). Is anyone working on bringing these folks together and seeing what makes sense to them to do about electoral reform?

I'm really stretching beyond my area of expertise here, but I'm guessing that there are some fairly conservative churches that still have real moral values, i.e., don't believe in cheating, lying, and stealing. They need to be brought on board--again, by people *they* trust, whether it's others in the religious community or their congregants or family members.

One of the challenges in all this, of course, is that so many of the crimes were perpetrated by people calling themselves Republicans. But we know that these folks are really NeoCons, and Republicans in name only. I've heard that there's growing discontent about the NeoCons having taken over the republican party. We need to figure out where the discontented Republicans are and find ways to work in coalition with them wherever possible. Will that be hard? I expect it will be hard and painful. But I think it has to be done.

I've heard that the NeoCons make life very hard for Republicans who don't obey them. I think we need to learn more about what that means, what they do to them, and set up protection for them wherever we can figure out how to do that.

Similarly, I think we need to set up systems of support for whistleblowers, to make it more possible for them to come forward. There are a lot of people out there who know a lot of damaging things.

On another note, there is a huge population of people who know enough about the stolen election to believe that it happened, but aren't doing anything. I think these are the top four reasons why they aren't acting:

1) They don't know what to do;
2) They feel so hopeless and depressed that they're frozen by those feelings;
3) They believe that the organizations they've heard of are taking care of the problem;
4) They're overwhelmed by the details of their personal lives and haven't figured out how to shift their priorities.

One way number 2 and number 4 are connected is that people--even people who will say that they believe the election is stolen--push away thoughts of the implications of this because it's too scary to think about what it means is in store for us if we don't change it. They busy themselves with their daily tasks because they're afraid of falling into despair if they really let in the reality of our current illegitimate government and what it's doing.

We need to find ways to address these reasons (and any others I've left out. One I know I've left out, though I think it affects a smaller group of people, is that they're already busy working on other important issues, like ending the occupation of Iraq, or stopping domestic violence, or, or, or...).

So how do we address these things? (Numbers below correspond with items on the last numbered list.)

1. We create do-able actions for them. Ways they can participate. (A tiny beginning of that is the new volunteer tasks page on solarbus.org. In addition to that sort of thing, we need to create *mass* actions people can take part in, probably including something like the (yellow, pink, etc.) ribbon campaigns.

2. We address the despair. Action is one of the best antidotes for it. Another is having someone to listen who can empathize without falling into despair themselves. Another is what Joanna Macy calls "The Work." We do things like create events that we publicize by asking, "Are you feeling hopeless about the state of our democracy?" But we have to then, at those events, give them reason for hope. And that means each of us needs to address the places where *we* despair.

3. Organizations must ask for the help they need, loudly and frequently.

4. I think the best way to deal with this is to get people to take one action that both breaks the pattern of inaction and also connects them with other active people and possibilities. Once people step into the flow of acting toward positive change, it often carries them into further action. But it only does that if it's a positive experience.

I'm running out of steam here. This stuff is spilling out of my head and I know I have more to say. I seem to be starting to write an article, don't I? Maybe this will get me to do it. I'll try to wind down. I just looked at your questions again and I'm not sure I even answered them!

One huge area where I think we're lacking is cohesive strategy for short- and long-term goals. I'd love to see someone put together first a list and then a colloquium of strategists on the left. Whose strategic thinking do you respect? Maxine Waters? Noam Chomsky? George Lakoff? I'd love to hear people's answer to this question.

One wall I come up against when I try to think about this stuff is this: The more effective we become, the more significant and devastating resistance we'll face. I believe that the NeoCons would rather see the world end than abandon their grip on power. What the hell do we do about that??? Again, I'd love to hear people's thoughts.

Meanwhile, I think people need to specialize. There's so much to be done. In addition to building a mass movement we need to be stopping the attacks on our rights. We need to find ways to take the offensive wherever we can. I personally am not even comfortable with that image. What I believe in is building bridges. Some days I think if we all just learned NonViolent Communication and started using it, we'd be more effective at making fast and lasting change in the world. (See book by that title by Marshall Rosenberg, or cnvc.org for more info on that.)

I can see now that the ideas are not going to stop coming out of my brain voluntarily, but my life is calling on me to stop writing for now. Argh--so much to say! It's urgent to preserve whatever's left of the evidence of the stolen election before it's destroyed. It's urgent to have criminal prosecutions of the thieves. It's urgent to raise money for the organizations struggling to do this important work. It's urgent to stop Negroponte, and, and, and...

Prioritizing is hard, isn't it, when democracy is at bright red alert? This is so long I can't even bring myself to reread it. It's all first draft, but I'm going to float it and see what happens.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 04:21 PM
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30. Wow, emlev, this is a fabulous reply to my question. You have...
...obviously given this a whole lot of thought--both consciously and subconsciously. It has become part of your very BEING, how to reach people on this vital issue.

I would make one suggestion, generally, in reply. I would reverse your priorities about people/groups to reach out to, thus...

No. 1 priority

Disenfranchised Kerry voters. The depressed, the feeling-helpless, the isolated, the despairing, the angry. We are the majority! It was OUR will that was thwarted. And people need to know this, and be helped with actions that they can take to at least fix the election system. Millions and millions and millions of us, who voted the Bush Cartel out--and most of whom don't know that we won!

No. 2 priority

Any honest Republicans still in existence--and I think there are some, but they are very disempowered. Many actually voted for Kerry. They, too, have been harmed, and are not represented in the federal government.

I might also say, in describing how the truth can be (and is) gotten out, from a smaller circle who have the information, is, not that the truth needs to be communicated outward to increasingly conservatives circles, but that the truth needs to be communicated outward to the very large, in fact majority, population who are basically PROGRESSIVE--tolerant, believe in fairness and justice, generous, believe in PROGRESS (education, honest science, all men are created equal, etc.), believe in the First Amendment (espec. separation of church and state), oppose unjust war, oppose torture (63% of Americans polled oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES), support strong environmental regulation (80% and more).

Because that's what I really think of the American people--and the facts prove me out. We are a PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY--that is being dragged, against its will, back to the Dark Ages.

No way this country has gone "red" or pro-Bush. Most people in this country HATE Bush and his Oil Cartel.

Anyway, you get my point. It's the progressives, the Democrats, the Kerry voters, the true patriots, the good-hearted and, on the whole, fairly smart people in this country (they voted Bush out, despite all the propaganda) that we need to reach out to FIRST.

Why is their will not being done? (Nearly 60% oppose the Iraq war, now, today!) Show them how/why they are not being heard. And what to do about it.

And any Republicans or conservatives who believe in fair play can re-join our democracy, if they wish.

I think you are so right about "doable actions." Americans are very practical. They need to know what to DO. Give us a task--say, putting men on the moon--and, by God, we get it done.

I'll never forget the water shortage in California some years back. Political leaders asked Californians to reduce their water usage. DO YOU REMEMBER THE RESPONSE? Almost overnight, it was done. Every conceivable method of conserving water was thought up, and put into practice. People put bricks in their toilets. Got rid of their lawns. Emptied their swimming pools. Came up with all sorts of new gadgets. It was a huge success!

It is just heartbreaking to KNOW this about Americans--that we WILL respond, JUST ASK US!--and to see that great will for the common good just wasted and trashed.

Think what we could do on oil conservation! (Yes, we can start doing it ourselves--and obviously we have to--but, WITH LEADERSHIP, we could do so much more and so much faster.)

So, yeah, you've got it. We have to devise the MEANS to get election reform done. And I would start at the bottom (local) not at the top (Congress).

------

I was just thinking, a SIMPLE LETTER (or petition) addressed to any or all County Registrars of Voters, thus:

Dear Registrar:

There are four basic requirements for fair elections using electronic voting systems:

1. Open source code for all machines and vote tabulators (absolutely no secret proprietary programming in any voting machine, no internal modems that can be secretly called by private companies, no private company personnel on the premises during elections).

2. Voter Verified Paper Ballot that takes precedence over electronic results in any recount.

3. Vote counted and published at the precinct level prior to any electronic hookups to central vote tabulators.

4. Stringent certification and auditing procedures.

We urge you to guarantee that all four requirements are in place before the next election, or to drop the electronic machines that you have purchased into the nearest trash dump, and reinstitute paper ballots and hand counts.

Your truly,

Jane Citizen + thousands

----

Get this letter (or petition) going to County Registrars--and get it circulating to a lot of groups. Build pressure from BELOW. Put the Registrars on notice. (Let THEM solve the legislative, rules and financial problems involved.) Try to get reporters to ask them, "Why secret source code?" Like that.

----

This letter needs to be vetted by our election system experts. We could start with that. Get this letter (or something similar) around among ourselves. Get the wording just right. Thence...

----

A FOCUSED campaign on county registrars. And any who are NOT responsive, and don't do what we want them to, are out of office next time around. And hear it from us in the meantime.

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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:28 PM
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24. is the show archived? I can't find it on the kpfa site, if anyone
has the link to the page with it please let me know

thanks mucho
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 08:54 PM
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26. Here's the link, but it doesn't seem to be posted yet
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:16 AM
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27. It's archived here Gary
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:17 AM
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28. Thanks for that. Listing of names is incorrect at link
I've just emailed KPFA and asked them to correct it. The guests who were actually on the show were:
Bob Fitrakis
Bob Kibrick
Walter Riley
Emily Levy
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LaraOVC Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:06 PM
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29. Congrats Emily
Congradulations Emily! Let me know how it went. Also, please let me know if you can come to our March 12 Electile Dysfunction, Votergate and the OVC News Clip movie showing in Santa Cruz.
-Lara, OVC
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 04:23 PM
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31. GO HERE to help us out with formulating questions for the new...
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