Electronics, DATA, Digital,All These FSCKING Posts Mean Nothing!

[sacxtra]

Nobody has helped me. Nobody here has contacted me. I can only assume that nobody cares about this:



wtf you want from me?

Another photograph?

[EVDebs]

1. Wrong ! We're busy trying to see if our Identities have been hacked

by Choicepoint, SAIC, BofA, and that new CAPPS II (actually an updated and renamed Total Information Awareness) based in the Bahamas with Ben Bell's company ! Hang in there, dude.

[Enquiringkitty]

4. Those you named are the types of corporations we will one day

see our retirement invested in. Really on the ball, aren't they!

[RoyGBiv]

2. What?

What exactly is it you are wanting?

[Enquiringkitty]

3. I'm sorry. I missed the first photo. I don't trust electronic ballots

either nor do I care for the idea of being able to vote on line from home. To much to go wrong and no lasting record. They can say whatever they want and there's no proof either way. How do we stop it?

[Eric J in MN]

5. Ideally, people will check the paper ballots to make sure

it matches what they entered.

In practice, most people don't.

That is why I prefer optical-scan ballots to electronic voting machines which print paper ballots.

That is why among electronic voting machines which print paper ballots, I prefer ones where the voter must put the ballot into the ballot box instead of it going automatically when he or she presses "confirm."

Electronic voting machines which print paper ballots, even behind glass, are still better than electronic voting machines which don't.

[Wilms]

6. I like the points you raise.

I'm, too, concerned that the "VVPB" won't always be, shall we say, VVed.

Have you seen a voting machine that prints paper ballots AND automatically deposits the paper ballot into the ballot box???

Do you know what it's called??

[Eric J in MN]

8. California requires that the paper ballot

printed by electronic voting machines be printed and stored behind glass (effective 2006).

This will be a common design.

The Avante Vote Trakker is an example of that:
http://www.aitechnology.com/votetrakker2/

I think it's better if the voter handles the paper ballot because then he or she is more likely to check it.

An example of a better system is using optical-scan ballots, with a machine called the AutoMARK to help the handicapped to mark regular optical-scan ballots.

I wrote about the AutoMARK here:
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2005_01_18_voting_rights_tuesday_i_went_to_a_demonstration_of_the_automark.asp

[Wilms]

11. Thanks, MJ.

I agree that handling the ballot would encourage verification.

But then, so would a separate "Ballot Verifier". No?

Here's my trip. I was interested in the hands-off design because of voters with mobility-issues. That, apparently, is one of the sticking points. AutoMark is sometimes toughted as the answer, but to that specific problem, I think the answer is no.

So, for the mobility-limited voter, I've wondered about a machine that automatically spits out the ballot, runs it thru a Verifier, then into the box.

This is roughly based on what I read reffered to as a "Modular System". So adapted, I wondered if it offered everyone a way out of this jam.

[Carolab]

13. It's not the BALLOTS.

It's the TABULATORS.

Optiscan TABULATORS are HACKABLE.

[BeFree]

7. Printer, eh?

You wnat your vote printed on a piece of paper?

What? That's so fifties, man! This is the twenty first century, dude, and we don't need no steenkin printers!

All kidding aside, you got it. You have gone where few have been before. Back to the Future! With nothing but paper ballots.

I have, ehmmm, some rad ideas about those paper ballots, you wanna read 'em?

[marions ghost]

9. yes

rad ideas about paper ballots?

[BeFree]

10. Marions ghost

Some of my rad ideas were on that other thread we were dancing on. Me head is nodding right now, so i'm outta here tonight. Promise me I won't see any ghosts?

[marions ghost]

12. I see definitions of "ballots"

not necessarily paper ballots, over there...

OK good night. You're only gonna see the eerie ghosts of lost paper ballots and luminous trails of nebulous e-ballots. I'm losing it too...need to go count some ballots.