(Ohio) Counties Will Be Allowed to Buy Touch-Screen Voting Machines

[Wilms]

Counties will be allowed to buy touch-screen voting machines

JOHN McCARTHY

Associated Press

14 April 2005

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The state's elections chief on Thursday reversed an earlier directive that counties can buy only optical-scan voting machines to get federal money, after negotiating a deal that will allow electronic touch-screen machines with paper printouts.

The price of $2,700 per machine negotiated with Diebold Election Systems is less than the price the state had earlier agreed to for machines that don't have the paper printout a voter can check, required by Ohio law.

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The state has about $115 million in federal money available for upgrading the machines in all 88 counties, which LoParo said would cover the cost of buying touch-screen machines in all counties once inactive voters are purged from the rolls, meaning less machines would be needed.

Blackwell had estimated about $140 million for touch-screen machines under the old price, compared with $100 million to use the optical-scan machines and allow one touch-screen voting machine for disabled voters in each polling place.

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http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=5193

[Maraya1969]

1. It should print out TWO receipts

One for the county and one for the person - so they can know that their vote was recorded correctly.

[Wilms]

2. Can't give one to the voter.

The voter could 'sell' their vote, using such a reciept as proof.

[Maraya1969]

3. I'm confused - why would they want to "sell" their vote and who

would want to buy it?

[Andy_Stephenson]

4. Yoour boss says...

lemme see your reciept...you didn't vote for Bush...clean out your desk

But don't fall for the vote here model either.

Voter verified Paper Ballots are the only real solution...Count em anyway you want...but we must have a paper ballot.

[Wilms]

6. We need "hot keys", on our keyboards, loaded with these basics.

Thanks. :7

[Kip Humphrey]

12. Count em anyway you want?... Andy, I want to understand

Are you convinced recounts will prevent fraud when recounts were stopped cold in Florida in 2000, Ohio and New Mexico in 2004?

What if the count is like it was on OptiScans in southwest Texas - complete with 9% undervotes in 8 counties due to "Cast Democratic Slate" exploits that denied Kerry untold numbers of votes?

I want to understand - I understand the problem with hand counting in King county but...

Why isn't counting the vote THE most important thing here? I mean, when it gets down to it, I don't really care which voting machine or method I use to vote - its a Ford vs Chevy kind of argument to me. I DO care that my vote is counted and counted accurately. I recognize hand counted paper ballots as the most accurate, reliable, cost-effective, and fraud-proof system. For digital vote processing systems, I demand I see my ballot that's counted: the data record "interpreted" and "derived" from my ballot - but here again, I'm talking about how my vote is counted.

It appears we are at odds: You don't care how your vote is counted, you care how you vote; I care how my vote is counted, and don't care how I vote.

Next conference, no medical excuses - We're drinking a beer and talking about this! I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

Kip

[Land Shark]

13. recounts: keep 'em, improve 'em, but design the process so that

everything you really want happens before the first count is announced. That's where it happens, recounts are expensive long shots with lots of pressure and financial incentives not to use them. My phrase for this is 'accuracy must be front-end loaded'. only some people aren't familiar with the slang 'front-end loaded'.

[Carolab]

5. Ohio is doomed.

Who is working on this there? Anyone?

[countmyvote4real]

7. Jeez Louise. We want the accuracy to be verifiable.

Is that really too much to ask in this time? In other words, I don't want my tabulated vote to be manipulated in order to alter my intent.

On edit: I removed some "!" marks from the headline.

[Wilms]

8. Anyone know if the VVPAT's are OpScanable?

[galloglas]

9. V.V.P.A.T. Op-Scannable

Not to my knowledge.

The ones I've seen in Missouri no longer even cut the paper to fall into a box.

They use a takeup reel so that the V.V.P.A.T. looks like a cash register receipt from a grocery store. Of, course that also compromises the secrecy of the ballot because they would have the order in which the voters cast their ballots.

Neat trick, huh?

[LatePeriduct]

10. Twice Voi

"LoParo said would cover the cost of buying touch-screen machines in all counties once inactive voters are purged from the rolls, meaning less machines would be needed."


Geezus Blackwell you're a real patriot!!!!! Who else will get purged from the roles before that happens, are you going to hire the mafia to login the aggregator and remove everybody from black country?

Hey now the regulations have been met, and the disabled can vote!!!! I bet the dominionists of Ohio will worship you this time.

[Wilms]

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