Nat'l Election Ref Comm Exec Dir Goes Ballistic at BRAD BLOG!!!

[merh]

BRAD BLOG: Nat'l Election Ref Comm Exec Dir Goes Ballistic at BRAD BLOG!!!

Executive Director of National Election Reform Commission Goes Ballistic at BRAD BLOG!
Dr. Robert A. Pastor Accuses Velvet Revolution of 'Harassment', Sending Fake Email!
Supplies no evidence for his conspiracy theory, nor his firm belief that Republicans won Election 2004.

Earlier this evening, we received a phone call from Dr. Robert A. Pastor, the Executive Director of the Baker/Carter National Election Reform Commission.

It was an interesting conversation...Hold onto your hats...

URL: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001337.htm

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Some people have all the fun! I think it is time we send out more emails to Mr. Pastor and President Carter, et al. We might want to include some reference to Mr. Pastor's April 19, 2005, lies.
See discussion at this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x359382

PLAYRobert Pastor, Exec. Dir., Cmsn. on Federal Election Reform
Robert Pastor, Executive Director for the Commission on Federal Election Reform, discusses the bipartisan Federal Election Reform Commisssion headed by Jimmy Carter and James Baker.
4/19/2005: WASHINGTON, DC: 30 min.
http://www.c-span.org/Search/advanced.asp?AdvancedQueryText=Robert+Pastor&StartDateMonth=4&StartDateYear=2005&EndDateMonth=5&EndDateYear=2005&Series=&ProgramIssue=&QueryType=Match+Phrase&QueryTextOptions=&ResultCount=10&SortBy=bestmatch

[LatePeriduct]

1. Hilarious!! They can't even hide it now.

The fascists attack publically, this is great news!

Someone should record his threats and word on tape recorder, broadcast it all over the world radio. Hehehehe.

I've gotten threats by one of these lunatics over the phone, saying the rapture was coming. I should have recorded it! We should record all their words I'm sure the darn "republican activist judges" would love to hear these thrilling comments....

[merh]

2. I think BradBlog does have it recorded.

He sure has a nice transcript of it in his article.

Be sure you send an email letting him know that you are not one of the "6 or 7" but one of the thousands who are irrate with the Commission and his lies!

[emlev]

3. Brad, you were spot-on with your questions and comments

Good thinking on your feet. Thank you.
Yours truly,
six or seven Americans


(edited for incorrect figure of speech)

[Carolab]

4. I just wrote my very lengthy response.

Un-fucking-believable.

[burn the bush]

5. Here's the email I sent after I called him and left a voice message

Mr. Pastor,

I cannot say with certainty that absolutely no one has sent you more than one email, but I would assume that they all have return email addresses for you to follow. We are separate individuals who understand that America is no democracy without a legit vote. We are concerned individuals contacting our leaders and pseudo leaders with our very real concerns. It scares me that you do not encourage that but have shown anger over it.

Any hackable machines will be hacked. They were in 00. They were in 04. I know it. You know it. If you do not, you are not an informed individual. Please, give us our democracy back. Please give us a real election reform board. We cannot and will not settle for the recommendations of a committee that has been formed solely to thwart the truth while appearing to be studying the problem. Please lets get this done now. We will accept nothing less than open real elections. We cannot if democracy is to live in America.

Linda Hilton
Real Individual

[Carolab]

6. Kick for more responses.

C'mon people, write him!!!

[liberalla]

13. Excellent !

"We cannot and will not settle for the recommendations of a committee that has been formed solely to thwart the truth while appearing to be studying the problem."

Well done, Real Individual!

[burn the bush]

7. I wrote and I called him. Lets all let him know we are not just a few.

Here's my email to him. I posted it in the other boards on this subject too to help encourage everyone else to do the same.

Mr. Pastor,

I cannot say with certainty that absolutely no one has sent you more than one email, but I would assume that they all have return email addresses for you to follow. We are separate individuals who understand that America is no democracy without a legit vote. We are concerned individuals contacting our leaders and pseudo leaders with our very real concerns. It scares me that you do not encourage that but have shown anger over it.

Any hackable machines will be hacked. They were in 00. They were in 04. I know it. You know it. If you do not, you are not an informed individual. Please, give us our democracy back. Please give us a real election reform board. We cannot and will not settle for the recommendations of a committee that has been formed solely to thwart the truth while appearing to be studying the problem. Please lets get this done now. We will accept nothing less than open real elections. We cannot if democracy is to live in America.

Linda Hilton
Real Individual

[burn the bush]

8. My Bradley, what big balls you have!

Way to lead the way. You may be making a name for yourself in history Brad. Thanks for helping to lead the way.

[autorank]

9. Great interview by Brad. Just sent Pastor a scathing letter. Fuck 'em if

they can't take a joke.

[Jensen]

10. Congrats Brad.....Way to go fighting for America!!!

I wonder how he would take it if the 6 or 7 people show up to tell him in person???? hmmmmmm.....Would he face us or :hide:

[LatePeriduct]

11. Hah perfect, this is rich.

Emailed these folks heartily and got an "out of office reply".

We "apologize for not being in the commission center right now, but we have had to step out of the office and attend to matters."

"We have gone on an investigation and perhaps you could leave your information with this new address(someone@.edu)"

Smells like a clean up crew!!! They even have spam blocker on, I would record all evidence about these guys. Smells like a bunch of them have recently vacated the votergate commission and hoodwinked Carter and the rest into thinking they will hold another hearing!

[Wilms]

15. No one else reported such an odd occurrence.

Perhaps they got your email address from the tabulator's voter registry. I've avoided that problem by ALWAYS voting for third party candidates. THAT fools the registry and slips my name through during the gating initiation phase.

Did you know these tabulator voter registry data bases are now tied into private email blocking spam filters managed by one of the higher members of Knights of Malta, the overseas version of Catholicism's Opus-Dei fiber-network?

And the software for all this? Friends in the prayer breakfast council of Arlington Virginia provide that PRE-CONFIGURED!

There's no end to the madness!

[LatePeriduct]

16. Nice dig, but I wouldn't mock so soon.

Here's a number of the responses when emailing them:

" Steve Carbo <[e-mail]> to me
More options 1:44 am (2 hours ago)

I will be out of the office until Wed, April 20."

"This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

Originating IP address has been blocked by domain administrator

Delivery failed for the following recipient(s):
[e-mail]

----- Original Message Header -----
Received: by mail28-haw.bigfish.com (MessageSwitch) id 11139834186480_12544; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:50:18 +0000 (UCT)
Received: from velvetrevolution.us (nj-mail-0408.worldhosted.com <65.211.123.91>)
by mail28-haw.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A6B342BC4
for <[e-mail]>; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:50:17 +0000 (UCT)
Received: from localhost <208.255.91.40> by velvetrevolution.us with ESMTP
(SMTPD32-8.05) id A94D274F00CC; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:48:29 -0400
To: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: James Baker and Cronies Must Step Down from Election Reform Commission! "

"Paul Herrnson <[e-mail]> to me
More options 1:50 am (2 hours ago)

I will be on research leave from the University of Maryland from January
through May 2005. I will check e-mail sporadically and respond to your
message as soon as I can. I can be reached by telephone at ***-727-7987.

Please contact Randy Roberson at [e-mail] or ***-314-2735
if you need immediate assistance.

Thank you.
Paul Herrnson"

By the way you sound confused. Best of luck. :popcorn:

[tavalon]

22. Yep

That was the auto reply I got as well.

[tavalon]

21. I got one

It didn't reject my email, just sent an auto-reply that said _____ is out of the office. The weird thing is the name wasn't Dr. Pastor's.

[KaliTracy]

38. I bet some of those "out of office" replies were there prior to this -- as

I got several responses like this when I sent the original letter (Saturday or Sunday I think).

[Bill Bored]

12. No wonder Gore almost lost in 2000!

Dr. Pastor has been a foreign policy advisor to each of the Democratic Presidential Candidates since 1976 and was Co-Chair of the Advisory Committee on the Americas for the Gore-Lieberman campaign.

[LatePeriduct]

14. More smoking gun evidence....

"RP: Well, they are not going to be listened to.

BB: So, you are suggesting that somehow, for some reason, you should have more power over our American democracy than any other American Citizen? Are you kidding me?!

RP: Well, apparently I do have more power because otherwise you wouldn't care so much about what the commission is doing.

BB: Yes, we care, because it's an important commission...It needs to happen...Such a commission is necessary, very necessary...but the way this thing has been fixed and stacked...

RP: It is not stacked.

BB: Who appointed the members of that commission?

RP: The members of the commission are Republicans and Democrats and individual non-partisans...

BB: Who appointed them to this commission?

RP: You have a problem with three or four of the commission members and one of the academic advisors, but there are probably more Democrats than Republicans on the commission...

BB: I don't care how many...This isn't about Democrats or Republicans, Bob. There should be Republicans on the commission...We have no problem with that! What we do have a problem with is Bush/Cheney and Voting Machine Representatives...is the lead attorney from the Kerry/Edwards campaign on the advisory board, Bob?

RP: No he's not. But there are people on the Right that have problems with all the Democrats on the committee.

BB: I don't give a damn about the...There's no problem with Republicans on the committee, Bob...It's not...

RP: Do you know who won the last election?

BB: Uh...Not really...Do you?...

RP: You don't know who won the election?

BB: Not really...I wish I did, but...

RP: The Republicans won the Presidency! And both houses of Congress, the House and the Senate!

BB: How do you know that?...

RP: Look, if you...

BB: How do you know that, sir?

RP: Look, if you think you speak for 51% of the American people you are wrong, you don't...

BB: How. Do. You. Know. That. Sir?...How do you know the Republicans won?!"

This is a very telling report that got recorded....Mr. Pastor apparently pretended to be a staunch defender of democracy but eventually in 2004 sold out to the Council of Foreign Relations.

He's completely complicit. He's saying that just because you think you speak for the 51% of america, you don't.....Just because you think that fraud is wrong, you aren't right.

Read between the lines and he is basically saying they stole the election and can stack the commission however they want, because they are the ones in power. If he goes against them, there goes his job.

Yeah some amazing group of reform artists.....Scam artists planted by the thieves!!!

[Peace Patriot]

72. This is an amazing exchange!

RP: Do you know who won the last election?

BB: Uh...Not really...Do you?...

RP: You don't know who won the election?

BB: Not really...I wish I did, but...

RP: The Republicans won the Presidency! And both houses of Congress, the House and the Senate!

BB: How do you know that?...

RP: Look, if you...

BB: How do you know that, sir?

RP: Look, if you think you speak for 51% of the American people you are wrong, you don't...

BB: How. Do. You. Know. That. Sir?...How do you know the Republicans won?!"

---------

He can't answer the question, because it is not provable. The election was so non-transparent that there is no way to establish the winner--not even a precinct level recount (which BushCons operatives blockaded in Ohio), because one third of the country voted on paperless electronic voting machines. In those cases, all verifiability is gone. The electronic voting machine companies (run by BushCons) can assert whatever they want about who won in those precincts, and not even the Secretaries of State know how they arrived at their conclusion. A precinct level count of the other 2/3 might point to a winner, but it could never be definitive. Further, the central tabulators are also controlled by major Bush donor companies, using secret, proprietary source code. It will take months, if not years, of effort at the precinct level, to find out if any part of the vote count is real.

Fantasy exchange:

a: Prove Bush won.

b: Well, there are the electronic tabulations....

a: Uh-huh. And can we see the programming code that ran those tabulations?

b: Well, no. That's proprietary information.

a: And what kind of companies control this code--well-known non-partisans with a good record in remaining objective and providing secure, unhackable results?

b: (Silence.)

a: How else do we know Bush won?

b: Well, the Associated Press said he won...

a: The Associated Press, a private news organization...how do they know he won?

b: They got a feed of the data from...

a: ...the central electronic vote tabulators, run on code that is secret, proprietary information, created and controlled by companies with major Bush donors as CEOs and board members. Any other evidence that Bush won?

b: The Exit Polls, when weighted according to formula, show Bush won.

a: The exit polls said Kerry won. They changed the exit polls at the end of election day, to fit the official tally. The formula was designed to confirm the official tally...the official tally from the central electronic vote tabulators, run on code that is secret, proprietary information, created and controlled by major Bush donor companies. And in order to make it fit the official tally, they had to come up with absurd numbers of voters who voted for Bush at the end of the day. All those tired, beset working people voting for Bush, in huge, impossible numbers. It's amazing. They lied to the American people about the real result of the exit polls. Any other evidence that Bush won?

b: (click).

-------

The only evidence that Bush won comes from Bush partisans, and they're not telling how they arrived at their conclusions.

KUDOS TO BRADBLOG! This is the heart of the matter! He really nailed it.

------

Beware the hidden goal of this private "commission," which I believe is to nationalize our election systems, procedures and rules under Bush Cartel control. Debunking election fraud '04 is only a secondary goal. They've got to get rid of the election reform movement which is rallying in state and local venues to achieve election integrity. States and counties currently control election systems, procedures and rules. Ordinary people and grass roots groups have a chance at reform in these venues. If the federal government (the Bush Cartel) takes over elections, reform will be impossible.

They might even make it look good, or somewhat pointed in the right direction. Don't buy it! If it takes power away from states and counties to choose election systems, and establish procedures and rules, it is a "Trojan horse," by which the Bush Cartel can then mandate their total control over elections, and we will have nothing to say about it whatsoever, in any venue.

HAVA started this process of removing control from the states and counties, via bribery. This private "commission" is going to finish it, by giving the BushCon Congress political cover to take all power from the states, and remove it as far as possible from the people.

Carter mentioned a "national standard." This will be turned into a mandate for a federal (Bush Cartel) power grab over elections. This is my main concern. He also said that they might recommend electronic voting with a paper trail. MIGHT. And if they do, is that going to sucker people into thinking that this is sort of going in the right direction? Oh, boy! I smell a rat (or two) (a whole bunch of them, actually)!

[MelissaB]

17. OMG!

We have got to get the word out on this one.

Nominated! We need one more.

Brad, :yourock:

[MelissaB]

18. It's already on the greatest page

in the politics forum.

[eomer]

19. Great work Brad!

And thanks for the contact info.

I gave Dr. Pastor an ear full and an email full. And it was my own words, no cut and paste job. I hope everyone else here will do the same.

Contact info for Dr. Pastor from his website:
[e-mail]
[phone]

[impeachthescoundrel]

20. I read the Brad Blog article about the phone call

And composed a very nasty email. This was the WRONG DAY for me to read all the lies he spewed.

[inchhigh]

23. Here is mine

In 1980 I went to the polls for my first time and cast a ballot for John Anderson. I was young, living in a conservative rural area and for the most part just not very well informed. I have always looked back on that vote with regret and as the low point of my political life. Although I am proud to have NOT cast my vote on that day as the majority did, I do realize that I missed an opportunity to stand up for the most ethical and morally inspiring Presidential candidate of my lifetime (thus far). I was saddened to be in the minority on that day but there was no doubt in my mind that I was in the minority. Again in November of last year I went to the polls to cast a vote for someone who was not inaugurated in the following January. This time however, I was left with serious doubts about whether I had in fact been in the minority. I believe in democracy. I believe that our government has an obligation to reflect the will of the majority (while also reflecting the right of the minority). I just have no idea who that majority is.

[impeachthescoundrel]

24. My oh-so-angry email

Short, sweet, and to the point



I am a concerned citizen. I don't know why I am wasting part of my morning emailing the likes of you, except that I WILL BE HEARD, as will all of us soon.

The blatant attempt on your part to show how arrogant you really are is no surprise to me. But you might as well have admitted that the fraud exists.
Enjoy wallowing in your deluded world while you can. Soon it will be known to all the world.

Too sentimental?

[dzika]

25. I left a voice mail and email...

Here is my email:

Dear Dr. Pastor,

I recently read your conversation with Brad from Bradblog.com.

I sent an email via Velvet Revolution. Based on your comments, I wanted to make sure you knew that I am a single person sending you a single email. I am a voter and a citizen. I deserve for my opinions to be considered. I would not be sending you another email except for the fact that you have indicated that thousands of emails came from "6 or 7 people".

I would like to request that you remove Thor Hearne and James Baker from the National Election Reform Commission. Their past efforts have been to thwart the will of the voters and it does give the appearance that this commission is "stacked".

I, also, request that you make public who made the appointments to this commission and when they were made.

Thank you,
David Edwards

[merh]

27. I like your email, thank you for sending it.

In mine, I asked for Pastor's resignation as well.

[Chi]

26. Heres mine

Mr. Pastor

If you really care about our Democracy, and our election system, stop ignoring the citizens of this country.
If you really think that only 6 or 7 people are sending you emails.....hold your next meeting in a large city, at an open forum, on a weekend.

Dog and Pony shows will only draw more citizens to our side, the side that cares about the accuracy of our elections.
Enough of the Donkey, Elephant bullshit!
I am not registered as either, but I sure as hell would still be writing this email to you, if it was the Dems who committed fraud.

If you can't alter the people on the commission...then bring in real people to sit as witnesses/expert/panelists. Spending time on 'voter fraud' is a waste of time, it's a non-issue.
'Election fraud' is what you should care about.

I care about my country, and your rhetoric isn't helping this pathetic situation!
You WILL be remembered in history for your actions, it's your choice what those actions will be.

A. ********

[understandinglife]

28. Just to make it easy: [e-mail]

That's [e-mail] in case you missed it. Oh, and once again, [e-mail]

Let the dude know his scam, sham, partisan bam-bam has been fully exposed.

Way to go Brad!

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on all the horror and crimes that are the result of two stolen national elections)

[dzika]

29. You can also leave voice mail - [phone]

Give Dr. Robert Pastor a call at [phone] before his voice mail box fills up.

[understandinglife]

30. Thank you. And, indeed, I called and spoke to his assistant...

...and told her that only one person was speaking to her on the phone, that I was not a recording, that my wife and I each sent an email via VR and that it would be a true service to our democracy if Mr Pastor answered Brad's questions honestly and stopped pretending that '6 or 7 people' are the ones sending him all the email (you have to wonder why he chose '6 or 7' and not 11 or 12 or....).

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[merh]

37. Thanks UL

My letter to Dr. Pastor:
====================================
Re: Federal Election Reform Committee -- Not one of six or seven -- ONE OF THOUSANDS

Dear Dr. Pastor,

It was with great interest and concern that I read your comments at Bradblog regarding your false impression that you and the commission are being harassed by six or seven people via email in regards to the partisan make-up of the Federal Election Reform Committee. For your convenience and pleasure, or would it be better that I say embarrassment, I provide you with a link to the transcript of your angry and uninformed comments. http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001337.htm

It was with interest that I read your words as I find it fascinating that a man as learned as you are could be so ignorant of how email/internet communications work. I find it appalling that you are totally ignorant of websites that make it easier for individuals to mass mail recipients on particular topics and issues. That is outrageous, given your position at the university and your field of studies. I find your anger embarrassing and your ignorance offensive.

It was with great concern that I read your words because you are the Executive Director of the Federal Election Commission and someone with knowledge of computers and the internet should be in that position. From reading your comments it would appear that your ignorance of computers is a hindrance to the efforts of the Commission. One of the issues that the Commission must consider is whether computers were used and systems hacked, either properly or improperly, to distort the election results. As the Executive Director, you should be in a position to reach some reasonable conclusion, once that evidence is presented to you. Can you if you are so ignorant of the workings of the computers and the internet?

Having watched the CSpan coverage of your appearance in Washington yesterday, I am concerned that you go into the process of "studying" the problems, convinced that no problems exist. You dismissed any discussion of computer hacking or electronic manipulation of the votes and you appeared to have your mind made up. That is not right and is disingenuous to the purpose of the Commission.

As an American citizen and a voter, I have every right to demand of you and this Commission that the American public be afforded an Election Reform Commission that will consider all evidence as presented with an open mind. The emails you referred to in your conversation with Bradblog all voiced their concerns that the partisan interests on the Commission give the Commission an appearance of impropriety and partisan shenanigans. Now, after reading your tirade with Bradblog and after having viewed you on CSpan, I not only doubt the bipartisan nature of this Commission, I doubt the qualifications and mind set of you, the Executive Director.

We, the American voters, cannot and will not settle for the recommendations of a Commission that is ignorant of all processes involved, unwilling to listen to all of the facts and has been formed solely to distort the facts and thwart the truth while disguised as a body of esteem citizens "studying the election issues."

By this, my email correspondence to you, I make a demand as an American citizen and voter, on behalf of all voters, that the Commission is restructured. Mr. Baker should not be allowed to continue to serve and you should tender your resignation as Executive Director and/or as a member.

America deserves no less. The results of the elections in 2000, 2002 and 2004 are suspect, the allegations that methods were used to manipulative the results, whether by one or all parties, must be investigated and the evidence openly reviewed by people without agendas. Actually, the only agenda should be to restore the citizens of this nation open elections free from manipulation. You have been quoted as saying "With regard to the administration of elections, the U.S. election system is one of the worst of 118 democracies in the world." Don’t you think we deserve better? Don’t you think we deserve open minds willing to solve the problems, not dismiss them as "unsubstantiated" before all the evidence is heard?

This Commission must be unfettered with the baggage of the party. It must have an open mind to the issues and it must consider and weight all evidence as presented. For democracy to survive, for our great nation to flourish, we can demand no less.

Sincerely

merh


As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities. ---Voltaire

[Melissa G]

52. I gave him an earful! n/t

[troubleinwinter]

36. I sent one and even bent into a pretzel to TRY to be polite.

[merh]

41. Thanks TIW.

We just need to let them know how we feel! :hi:

[bejammin075]

31. Glad I'm not the only pissed off citizen

I sent Pastor an email and a paper letter. Glad to see others are calling, emailing, writing, etc. He must be getting an earfull! I won't quote my whole letter here but my favorite line on Baker was:

"Appointing Mr. Baker to the Commission is like appointing Al Capone to do banking reform, or appointing Dracula to reform the Red Cross!"

[glitch]

32. "Gang of 6 or 7" is a perfect name for the disenfranchised majority. nt.

[smartvoter]

33. I sent one. kick. nt

[bleever]

34. My letter to Dr. Pastor:

Dear Dr. Pastor,

Thank you for your work with the commission to ensure the fairest possible elections.

It is my strong feeling that only by including the many, many voices of those who find evidence of massive fraud in the 2004 election can your work be complete.

I will not quibble over the membership of the commission, though I am deeply disappointed that James Baker III, who spearheaded the effort to stop counting votes in 2000, has a place in such a group.

But I do wish to express in the strongest terms that whatever your personal view may be of the evidence of fraud (machines that switched votes from Kerry to Bush, and never the other way around, for starters), unless this evidence is considered and evaluated, the integrity and lasting value of the commission's work will be seriously compromised.

Sincerely,


______________



(Hope I don't sound like too much of a nutcase.) :)

[YvonneCa]

51. Bleever, you could NEVER...

...sound like a nut case!:hi:

[liam_laddie]

35. Pastor contact data

Secretary said they're getting a LOT of e-mail, calls, and other correspondence. Most effective ways to contact...

Fax - (202) -885-1366 Probably the most effective!

USPS -
Dr. Robert Pastor
3201 New Mexico Avenue NW
Suite 265
Washington DC 20016-2729

Flood him with comments, but PLEASE "recognize" his personal committment to be non-partisan. This avoids biasing him against your input. Be polite AND politic. GO TO IT, CITIZEN-VOTERS!

[Peace Patriot]

73. Okay, I'm all for input to this private "commission"--however badly it...

...is stacked, because our input might make it into the public venue, where there is a desperate need for the truth about the election. But do be aware of this real danger: that all our input is going to be used to bolster a case for nationalizing elections, which will remove power over election systems, procedures and rules as far away from the people as possible and into the hands of the Bush Cartel (federal government). If that happens, we won't have state and local venues, to argue election reform in--the venues where the current struggle is going on (for lack of any other venue). We will lose all hope of reform.

This private "commission" is acting all official and intending to issue a "report to Congress." And I think what this is about is to give the BushCons political cover to nationalize elections under their control. That's my read on the situation.

So, I think letters to this "commission" should add a sentence opposing the nationalization of our elections or taking any more power from the states and counties. We have a Voting Rights Act already. The Bush Cartel won't enforce it, and have freely permitted egregious violations. We DON'T NEED nationalization of elections to correct the problems in the states. We need a decent federal government that ENFORCES existing law!

We've got to oppose centralization, and federalization. It is a huge danger.

Really, it won't matter what we say to them. They've got their agenda set (probably long ago). But it will get the message out to more people, and hopefully to the good state and local election officials, to put up a fight about this. I think that's what we're going to be facing next fall: a bill to nationalize elections, and place all power over elections in some sort of federal (Bush Cartel) elections commission (probably with some of these same characters on it) that the BushCon Congress will create.

And the next thing we know will be mandated paperless voting with secret source code, run by BushCon companies with no-bid contracts, nationwide. No paper ballots allowed. Centralized electronic voter registration (easily manipulated and purgable). And so on. Their hearts' desire in fraudulent election systems.

I'm becoming fairly sure that this is why they got rid of Kevin Shelley in California. He would have been a leader against nationalization. He was onto Diebold, and likely would have quickly figured this one out as well. And they could not have denied him the right to speak to this private "commission."

Whew. Anyway, I'm just saying: We need to see even deeper than this "commission"'s apparently sudden arrival on the scene, just as election fraud '04 evidence is beginning to emerge into national consciousness. It looks like a preemptive strike, and it probably is. But I don't think that's all it is, nor even the main purpose. And I don't think it's sudden. I think it's been long in the planning.

I'm including this point in my letters--no nationalization. (Also, enforce the Voting Rights Act, you jerks!) I hope others do as well.

[meganmonkey]

39. I can't believe this guy - he doesn't even know how to pretend to be fair!

I wrote an email - I will fax it on Monday.

6-7 people. Heh...

My last paragraph:

Some of us have been working hard on this issue for months or years. Our input was completely ignored in the commission's hearings. I am grateful to live in a time when such hearings cannot be secret. We have access to every word spoken. And we are listening, very carefully. Rest assured, we will continue to provide our input to your commission whether you address it or not.

[dandrhesse]

40. I just sent this email to Dr. Pastor

Dear Dr. Pastor -

I saw the hearings of the Election Reform Commission the other day broadcast via C-SPAN. I as very disheartened by what I heard. The participants with a few exceptions acted as thought election fraud, election reform and access problems are "new" topics. It was insulting. The amount of research done by independent non-partisan groups working toward free and fair elections is extensive and informative. The people of this country are sick and tired of being told that they "don't understand" the process or "these things take time". It sure didn't take any time to rush the Schiavo debacle through Congress now did it?

The question is not one of ability but of political will. Although we have been assured time and again that what all those in elected positions want democracy and free and fair elections all of their actions show a much different picture. The question is: why don't politicians want people to vote? If politicians truly wanted the voice of the people to be heard they would be getting bills out of committee and onto the floor for debate and holding public hearings on the disgraceful things that took place in the name of democracy on November 2nd.

On your commission to your credit is President Jimmy Carter who is very well versed in elections and how they are run due to his work with the Carter Foundation and the monitoring of elections worldwide. But Jim Baker?¡ I can't think of anyone from the GOP that would be more offensive. The man who argued the case of Bush in court in 2000 is at best and example of vested interest and at worst an example of corrupt morals. He should be removed immediately. If this commission is serious then they had better address the problems in a real time manner instead of acting like the people of this country are so dumb that they won't know the difference. We are not stupid, we recognize a dog and pony show when we see one, not to mention a huge waste of money.

The first issue that the committee should address is why we don't meet any of the requirements that are set forth for foreign countries in order to ensure free and fair elections. That is an international embarrassment and reason enough for the rest of the world to scoff at the idea of our government dictating behavior expectations to the rest of the world.

The second issue is to discuss the election fraud that was perpetrated last November and the many felonies that were committed as outlined in the Conyers Report.

This country will not be on the way to healing the hurts and dealing with the disgrace until these accusations are met squarely and exposed to the light of day. Those who are guilty of breaking the law need to be prosecuted, those that were victimized deserve apologies and restitution. It has been said that you judge a countries moral character by the way they treat the weakest members. Using that as a yardstick, our country is in the without a moral conscience. As the man representing americans with disabilities testified, a man with an oxygen tank had to choose between life and voting. he chose life. What kind of a society forces a person to make this choice? Certainly not the America that I believe in. I have met many people that are very angry at the government, both Republicans and Democrats. The people of our country want to look out for each other and do the right thing by folks, its the government that is giving us the short end of the stick at every turn.

I challenge you to be part of the solution instead of adding to the problem Dr. Pastor, a propped up committee of yes people will do nothing to help our country but it can do a lot of damage and run interference for Bush and his cronies long enough to endanger the 2006 elections as well as the next Presidential election. A moral choice needs to be made here, there is no middle ground on this issue. Either you stand on the side of justice and truth or you aid and abet the enemy in the dismantling of our democracy.

Stand up for what is right
Answer the call

[minvis]

42. Just wrote him

I guess I must be one of the 6-7 people who keep e-mailing the commission.

[dandrhesse]

43. me too!

:rofl:

[Griffy]

44. Now its 7-8.. cause I sent email now too... we ARE the people!

you can listen to our Emails now, or hear us in the streets later.. but we will be heard someday! ...

Send personal email to him with the title? "How do you know?" ...


.. what he knows is that he has to say that bush won over and over till its "fact" .. too bad the internet will never let us forget, and in fact... it informs new people everyday!

[Bill Bored]

45. Thanks for the post Merh! Posted my letter in another thread.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=360038&mesg_id=360044>

[merh]

46. Thanks Bill Bored!

How do you like my letter? I think your letter was great.

:hi:

[Bill Bored]

54. Good letter Merh!

You do realize that he's a Dem though right? :)
The fact that he worked on the Gore campaign is even more reason for him to kick Baker off the "team." Talk about being serially abused! This guy's a gluten for punishment. I think we both made the point that elections are about information technology now, as much as anything else, and he seems to be relatively ignorant of this fact.

There are some calls for us to give him the benefit of the doubt, even from me, because he does recognize some of the problems, but certainly not all of them. And he really should have given Conyers, or someone JC could designate, a place at the table.

[merh]

61. Yes, I realize he claims to be a dem . . .

But his behavior makes me question not only his technical abilities, but his desire for the truth and his allegiance.

If he realizes that his defense of Baker and the other obviously parisian members of the Commission puts his credibility in doubt, then maybe, just maybe he will do what is right for the nation and not just the "powers that be".

I'll be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he gives the evidence a chance and when he illustrates that he is willing to pay attention to all of the issues. ;-)

Until then, he doesn't deserve to be representing my interests or the interests of all American voters. :hi:

[troubleinwinter]

47. KICK!!!! And send an email!

[blue4barb]

48. Just phoned Pastor's office. Office assistant told me they are receiving

too many emails and phone calls which are flooding their system. I was told I can only write a letter and send it "snail mail". I told her I did not want to wait for him to receive my letter since the commission is now underway. She still insisted I write a letter with my comments. Before she hung up, I got a comment out about Conyers knowing a lot about election fraud. Guess I better put it in writing!

I'm going to try a fax instead.

[Chi]

49. Tell her..'don't worry, those 6 or 7 people will get tired soon'

:evilgrin:

[merh]

50. LOL

It's so hard to disguise your voice all day long.

[katinmn]

53. I just sent a letter from my home email and cc'd Brad

I think Dr. Pastor is going to have a wake-up call soon!

[LatePeriduct]

64. Kick for letter.

[jen4clark]

55. Brad ROCKS hard as rocks!!!

Here's my email. So far hasn't bounced back so his mailbox is hopefully not full...

Mr. Pastor,

You have created a situation in which we the people are forced to email you individually since as a group we seem to have no validity in your view. We want to be heard but since you think acting as a group means there were only a few of us, we must open your eyes to the reality of our numbers. You should believe Brad Freidman when he tells you something. He is not a liar. He is a fighter and he is fighting FOR US. We have his back.

I'm sorry to let you know that there are more people than you would ever imagine who know that the election process in this once great country is a sham - that the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections were hacked, rigged, yes, stolen.

I can provide you endless links from the many people who have spent countless hours, days, months and years figuring out how this was accomplished, but I feel it would be a waste of both our time since you would most likely not look at any of them.

Suffice it to say Mr. Pastor the gig is up. Despite the media's silence on this major issue, we KNOW, we saw it happen and yet our voices are not being heard. We all know about the on-the-ground tactics that were used from provisional ballots not being counted, to polling place locations being changed, to shortages of voting machines, to machines with no paper trails, to computer glitches that IN EVERY CASE SKEWED IN BUSH'S FAVOR, and the grand-daddy of them all, we witnessed A CHIMPANZEE HACK THE VOTE TABULATOR! Yes, we know that the machines that COUNT THE VOTES are easily manipulated and that the totals can be changed from a remote location.

Mr. Pastor, we know what's going on. The fact that you formed this bogus commission is not lost on us. We are sick of it and we are not going to take it laying down. You put someone with the integrity and honesty of President Carter up against James Baker??? Do you think we're stupid?

I have nothing but contempt and disrespect for you and your twisted ethics and morals. I seriously don't understand why you think lying, cheating and downright thuggery are the way to live life, but I hope that some day you will open your eyes and your heart and do the right thing. You know what you are doing is horribly wrong and you should just plain stop it. It's easy. Just stop, think and do what's right.

Jen

[dandrhesse]

56. I passed this on to my email that consists of about 50 people and a

Vets for Peace group. Just thought you would like to know.

[Amaryllis]

57. Talk about conspiracy theory! How about this quote:

"Pastor made it clear that he felt those Emails, sent by individual American citizens to the commission, actually constituted "harassment" and he charged that the thousands of Emails that he and the commissioners were receiving was, in actuality, being sent by "about 6 or 7 people"!

I personally sent five hundred emails from my five hundred different email accounts...

[New Earth]

58. haha what a jerk

[MelissaB]

59. Hi Faye!

Good to see ya back! I've missed your posts.

[New Earth]

60. aww

:blush: i never know what to say anymore. my life is a little different since February so i don't get to follow all this as much as i used to. i come here and read stuff and i just don't know what to say. lol i'm trying to get back into the swing of things though.

you can also blame it on those guys down there

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[rigel99]

70. HA HA.. now you know the origin of my Name rigel99

it's the star closest to earth that's supposed to go supernova and obliterate the planet earth.. also the leftmost star in the constellation ORION...

keeps a lighthearted twist on things to know we might all evaporate any day now....

[strangemedicine]

62. Here's mine, and KICK!

Thank you Brad.

Mr. Pastor:
James A. Baker III is a shill, pure and simply, for the Bush family, and for the Bush/Cheney re election campaign. This appointment is a flagrant violation of any rules of fairness or moral reasoning, and to claim that you are serving the interests of all the American people is jaded. You all serve at the will of all of the American people ... not just the special interest groups you seem so beholding too. The voice of the people will not be silenced.
Remember that.

Julie Wells Volimas



Many colors of the spirit
Many lives below the sun.
We are colors of the spirit,
We are many; We are one.
-Journey

[marions ghost]

63. kick

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :spank: the commission

[Ellipsis]

65. Cool Beans!

...He got one from the farmer too.

[thjay]

66. I got a response from Pastor

I titled my email "Thank You". He wrote back within 10 minutes with "Your Welcome". Did anyone else get a reply? Here's my letter. I forwarded it to BradBlog.

............

Mr. Pastor,

Thank you for helping bring to light the many problems with our election system. Most of all thank you for taking the time to speak with Mr. Brad Freidman. Your conversation with him was most enlightening. I wasn't originally one of the "6 or 7" who sent you an email. I am sorry I hadn't taken the time earlier. I feel kind of guilty that thousands of others took the time to let you know what they think and I kept my thoughts to myself.

I'm not going to waste my time outlining the mountain of evidence that proves election fraud last November. The evidence has been made available to you from many respectable sources, including Congressman John Conyers. If you're not so inclined to trust the words of a politician (and who can blame you), then I suggest reading the report written by eleven PHDs at US Count Votes.

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf

In case your wondering what kind of people take the time to "harass" you, I will give you a little background about me. I'm a wife and a mother. I work full time and have a small freelance business on the side. I have never missed an election, and I'm old enough to have voted in many. I believe without a doubt that something is terribly wrong with casting my vote on a machine with "secret" software, written by felons that work for businessmen who publicly pledge their unwavering allegiance to one candidate. For the icing on the cake.......... the machine does not produce a receipt or record of my vote.

Tell me. How am to explain this system to my kids? They may not be old enough to vote themselves or even drive a car, but their smart enough to recognize that this makes no sense.

[katinmn]

68. awesome letter, thjay, and very diplomatic!

I think my letter could have been more diplomatic. I fired off a letter fast because I was angry hearing that Pastor called and screamed at Brad who has worked so hard on election reform and investigating the corruption.

While I didn't call Pastor names, I did say he was unprepared and uninformed.

Anyhow, together our voices will make a difference.

[merh]

69. Is that all he wrote back, Thank you?

I do like your letter. It was more diplomatic than mine, but I think the tone of my letter is necessary.

I won't be this "educated" Director's syncophant, especially after his moronic statements to Brad and on television. Too much ass smacking has gone on for far too long, imho -- we tried the "let's be nice and try to work together and resolve the problems" after 2000 and look where it got us.

I believe Dr. Pastor needs to hear from those that are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and for those of us who are not. I think my letter may give him something to think about and it makes letters like yours mean so much more to him. LOL

Thanks again for your letter, it was much nicer than mine and will probably be more effective. :hi:

[il_lilac]

67. sent!

Where (snd what) do we send to Carter?

[rigel99]

71. HERE's HOW TO REACH CARTER

SNAILMAIL
MS. Lauren GAY
Assistant to President Jimmy Carter
Co-Chairmam, Blue Ribbon Commission on Election Reform
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Ga. 30307

FAX [phone]
Main Carter Center # [phone]

email to request an interview with Juile Benz Pottie at
[e-mail]


IN PERSON... at his church in Plains Georgia, on mother's day May 8th, he will give a sermon and allow citizens to shake his hand and speak to him... this is my personal goal.. to drive down there and hand him my notebooks of election fraud information....

I just don't trust any other method at this point.. I faxed 48 pages last week, not even a peep out of him or anyone that they received it...

[Peace Patriot]

74. One other thing...

...I wouldn't want anyone to be rude to anybody, even to these shills. BUT, is there some way that we can question who and what this private "commission" is, in the way that we name and describe it back to them, that does not give it more credit than it deserves. Every time we use the phrase "National Election Reform Commission," we are making it sound official (just as they are trying to).

How about doing this...

"the private National Election Reform Commission." ??

Examples:

"I would like to request that you remove Thor Hearne and James Baker from the private National Election Reform Commission."

or,

"It was with great concern that I read your words because you are the Executive Director of the private Federal Election Commission and someone with knowledge of computers and the internet should be in that position."