Dude. Kucinich just called me. I can deliver a message to him tomorrow

[helderheid]

I was on the line with someone else and let "unknown" go to my voice mail. It was Dennis!

He'll be here tomorrow and I will talk to him about the election fraud. Just had to share he CALLED ME PERSONALLY!

[helderheid]

1. speaking of which, what do you want me to deliver to him

I am happy to hand him stuff you want him to see so tell me!

[MuseRider]

2. No kidding??

Wow, he is amazing. I would just about kill to listen to him live. Go for it and tell him he has some major supporters in Kansas. There are not too many of us but we are here and I still have his sticker on my pick up truck. :loveya: Dennis Kucinich.

[helderheid]

3. NO KIDDING!!

I will tell him! Anyone else? I am going to be there in a room of no more than 20 so I should have time enough to address him. DID I MENTION HE CALLED ME????

[MuseRider]

4. Kinda excited?

I am sitting here smiling just reading your excitement. Have a wonderful time.

Edit to say...You made him leave a voice mail? HaHa, cool.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Very cool

:) I'm not too familiar with him but have seen him lately. Good luck with talking with him. Hope to hear how it goes.

[oblivious]

5. No message, just a compliment for Mr Kucinich from a Canadian.

If I was offered the chance to speak or listen to only one US politician, he's the one I'd choose.

[jmatthan]

6. Please ask Dennis to join

the move to Move the UN from the US in the interests of the US, the UN and the world.

Jacob Matthan
http://MoveTheUN.blogspot.com

[loudsue]

7. Helderheid, PLEASE tell him that election fraud is THE thing that

the congresscritters need to understand....really understand...with all of the potential downline repercussions!!

Primary elections, local elections, total loss of any form of citizen control in our government...which includes THEM and THEIR KIDS' FUTURES.

Please tell him to convince the House members that, even though they may be favored on the voting machines TODAY, NOTHING they do for "the voters" while they're in office, will necessarily ever be rewarded by "the voters", unless they address the computerized voting mess. And if the voting machine programmers/owners find someone, even a "nephew" of theirs (or whomever they so choose), who will replace THEM, THEY won't be able to do anything about it. The repercussions are HUGE to our Democracy, but congresscritters need to understand that it will affect them, personally, in their careers.

Ok. I know you already know these things. But if I was going to have the ear of Dennis Kucinich ( :loveya: ), I would make sure he understands that he can show EVERY person in Congress how this thing can get away from them. It needs to go back to the PEOPLE choosing their elected officials....paper ballots, non-partisan groups counting ballots.

This is great news! I think it is WONDERFUL that he called you!! Congrats!

Now...go get 'em!!

:kick:

[eridani]

9. Amen!

You have all the UScountvotes stuff and Voters Unite stuff printed out, I assume. I'd include the Crisis Papers "Why We Must Not Get Over It" also.

And yes, I am impressed as hell that Dennis called you! You worked so hard for him, and then segued right into making the Dems in Utah more progressive. You deserve it!

[helderheid]

16. Will do

Thank you!

As far as working to make Utah more progressive, that credit is largely owed to Craig Axford and Laura Bonham who in 2003 co-founded the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus. I was just so thrilled to be able to help them with the web site and the internet outreach - we now have 260 members! I think we're the fastest growing caucus in Utah. :)

I'll get those things printed out. I am so thrilled to have this opportunity to have lunch with the man that inspired me to get involved. I'm also printing the 20 amazing facts about US elections thing.

[LatePeriduct]

8. Kucinich is one of the few politicians...

Who isn't just some politician, he actually risks his neck and fights for people's civil rights. I am certain he will expose the fraud and fight the courts to get the tabulators turned over for evidence.

[Helga Scow Stern]

10. HOW EXCITING!

Now, ask him lots of questions, listen, and then tell us every single thing he said.

Ask him how we are going to keep them from stealing the next election and the next? Ask him if he's really aware of the problem and what he thinks can be done about it?

Don't let up, don't let his charm make you forget!

We'll be waiting. :kick:

[TruthIsAll]

11. Mention the work done at DU and uscountvotes.org

.

[demodonkey]

12. The machines. We need machines which produced Voter-Verified PAPER.

Tell him we need his help to stop the counties from spending their HAVA money on paperless DREs.

Tell him we need to stop the paperless DREs NOW -- before it is too late and hundreds of thousands of paperless vote grabbers get bought (in order to comply with 1-1-06 HAVA deadline) and get grandfathered into use for the next zillion years.

Tell him how BAD the paperless DREs are, and what a terrible threat they make to our Democracy.

[tommcintyre]

13. VERY SIMPLE: Ask him if he realizes there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence...

indicating election fraud; and it points to a very serious possibility that Bush did NOT win the 2004 election.

If he answers yes, ask him if he will join Conyers and speak out in favor of a serious investigation into the election fraud (and still offer the links below so he can find out more). Then we will have Conyers contact him - I'm sure he will welcome Kucinich's help/support.

If he answers no, offer him a link to:

Conyers blog:
http://www.conyersblog.us/

Conyers report: "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio"
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

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The USCV Report: "Analysis of the 2004 Presidential Election Exit Poll Discrepancies"

The report concludes: “ We believe that the absence of any statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that needs thorough investigation.”

Complete report:
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf

An executive summary of the report by is available at:
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_summary.pdf

Press release:
Scientific Analysis Suggests Presidential Vote Counts May Have Been Altered

“Officially, President Bush won November's election by 2.5%, yet exit polls showed Kerry winning by 3% <1>. According to a report to be released today by a group of university statisticians, the odds of a discrepancy this large between the national exit poll and election results happening by accident are close to 1 in a million.

In other words, by random chance alone, it could not have happened. But it did.”
http://www.uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=41

Related stories:
Group says chance of exit polls being so wrong in '04 vote is one-in-959,000
By Stephen Dyer - Beacon Journal staff writer

“There's a one-in-959,000 chance that exit polls could have been so wrong in predicting the outcome of the 2004 presidential election, according to a statistical analysis released Thursday.”

“The explanation for the discrepancy that was offered by the exit polling firm -- that Kerry voters were more likely to participate in the exit polling -- is an "implausible theory," according to the report issued Thursday by US Count Votes, a group that claims it's made up of about two dozen statisticians.”
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/11284237.htm

Analysis - Vote Counts May Have Been Altered

“The consortium that conducted the presidential exit polls, Edison/Mitofsky, issued a report in January suggesting that the discrepancy between election results and exit polls occurred because Bush voters were more reticent than Kerry voters in response to pollsters.

The authors of this newly released scientific study "Analysis of the 2004 Presidential Election Poll Discrepancies" considers this "reluctant Bush responder" hypothesis to be highly implausible, based on extensive analysis of Edison/Mitofsky's exit poll data. They conclude, “The required pattern of exit poll participation by Kerry and Bush voters to satisfy the exit poll data defies empirical experience and common sense under any assumed scenario.”

A state-by-state analysis of the discrepancy between exit polls and official election results shows highly improbable skewing of the election results, overwhelmingly biased towards the President.”

“Ph.D. statisticians in America who have seen this group's preliminary exit poll study have not refuted it. This new study is a much more comprehensive an analysis of the exit poll discrepancies.”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0504/S00001.htm
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Most important: Set a firm time in a couple of weeks to talk again. If he has any questions, you can bring them here to this forum.

Stress the time urgency since the Election Reform Commission will meet again on June 30th, and it appears that the pro-Bush forces are attempting to hijack it, and use it to cover-up the election fraud. (See Conyer's blog for more information.)

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helderheid, let me know if you need any more help with this.

[helderheid]

15. yes actually

As you know, DU cuts links - could you all email me the cut off links to clarity @ udpc. org ?

[helderheid]

18. OK

Got all the complete links and have printed EVERYTHING out as far as the reports from US count votes, as well as the article "A corrupted Election", 20 things you'd have to believe about this election, as well as the info on the June 30th meeting and my email and cell phone asking him to call me if he wants to talk about this. I have it all in a global priority envelope (didn't realize how appropriate that was until later!) and will tell him that if I didn't give these things to him, I would kick myself for the rest of my life for passing up on that opportunity.

Here's the weird part.

I dreamed I handed him all these things a month ago. I didn't know he was even going to be in town until last week!

[tommcintyre]

20. GOOD LUCK!

Sorry I wasn't available to help out, but the time difference is four hours earlier than MT (I think that's your time zone), so I was still sleeping.

Again, good luck and let us know how the meeting goes.

BTW: The funny thing is, I was thinking about you (I'm getting ready to launch a foreign blaster); and Kucinich (I was wondering how we could get him to speak out on this issue.), the day before I saw your thread. (The thoughts came one after another - but not clearly connected.) When I saw this thread, I felt prepared to post the information I did. I didn't really have to think about it much.

I'm not really much into the psychic stuff. I keep an open mind about it, but I prefer objectivity. But the fact is, this is what actually happened, and I realize there is much that is beyond our understanding. So, maybe it's a good sign. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Freaky in deed

I've also been having dejavu lately so who knows. :) But I hope everything goes well. It'd be nice if he could join in Conyers.

[AtLiberty]

14. Tell him that EVERY Democrat leader should bring up...

...election problems whenever he/she is in front of a live mic. No matter what the topic, they should ALWAYS get in at least one or two lines on why we need election reform NOW. Dems have got to keep the issue alive. If we don't, who will?

Thanks.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. It would be nice

if he sees all the evidance and then talks to Conyers and can get other influental democrats on as well. I understand if they don't want Kerry on (he could be doing his own thing for all we know) and investigate this.

[myschkin]

17. Great!

[bleever]

19. Go helderheid! And godspeed. You're going to do great.

:thumbsup:

[TruthIsAll]

21. Show him the statistical ODDS: 1 in 4500 trillion (NO JOKE)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x361736

And this probability analysis of the state exit poll discrepancies.
Sixteen (16) states deviated beyond 2.20 standard deviations of the polling sample mean to Bush.

The odds:
************** 1 in 160,000 trillion *****************

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x361617

And this analysis of the National Exit Poll. Kerry was leading the first 13047 respondents by 51-48% (the media will not report this). The final 613 respondents reversed it for Bush: 51-48%.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x357758

And this analysis of the Florida registration and vote by machine type (touchscreens and optical scanners)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x358495

[LatePeriduct]

23. Kicked

Best analysis I've seen.

[TruthIsAll]

26. I get no kick from champagne, mere alcohol...I get a kick out of you.

I really appreciate all these kicks...

[MontageOfFreedom]

59. These are truly hard irrefutable numbers.

I must say I am impressed at how black and white the state exit poll samples are, they show that there is no way to explain away the fraud in these malfunctioning machines.

[Carolab]

27. Maybe Dennis' time has finally come.

If he can lead the way re: election fraud successfully I'd definitely boost him as the nominee. I have always liked him anyway.

[bleever]

28. You might start by including the fact that recently there's been a big

effort to drum up "evidence" that fraud and irregularities went both ways, as an attempt to frame the whole question as an "On the one hand, but on the other hand" kind of "two-sided" question over which partisans will naturally split.

That's a smokescreen of recent creation, and they're trying to really get it out there.


:thumbsup:

[Amaryllis]

29. Chuck Herrin stuff...nothing like a repub computer security expert

screaming about e-voting fraud to convince anyone. Also make sure he knows that not only are DRE's totally insecure, they are also unreliable, more expensive than any other option, and take longer to vote on, thus contributing to long lines. (see Myth Breakers at votersunite.org)

Chuck Herrin is a computer security expert who is hired by Fortune 500 companies to hack into their computer systems to detect and correct security flaws. Herrin is a conservative republican who is deeply concerned about the use of electronic voting and tabulating in US elections. After the 2004 election, he presented to North Carolina legislators, where he demonstrated how easy and quickly central vote tabulators can be hacked and the vote counts changed without leaving any evidence. http://www.chuckherrin.c om/ComputersVoteTabulation.pdf

Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We Should Be, Too)
http://www.chuckherrin.c om/ConservativeEmpathy.htm

Empathy Training is a great article for people of any political party who are skeptical that there were problems with the 2004 election. It is alos a great way to frame the issues in non-partisan terms, as an issue that concerns all Americans, regardless of political affiliation.

This article also makes excellent points about how to frame the issue in order to be heard:
http://www.chuckherrin.c om/LiberalEmpathy.htm
Empathy Training for Liberals: A Primer on the Conservative Mind, From the Inside of One.

Herrin has a number of "hack the vote" demonstrations, using actual Diebold software, and actual Woindows screeen shots to show how easily thousands of votes can be altered without detection:
http://www.chuckherrin.c om/hackthevotedemo.htm

[FreedomAngel82]

49. Oh wow

I've never heard about that guy before. Is he in touch with Conyers??

[helderheid]

30. OK - My report!

Hi all!

First, THANK YOU ALL for the kind words, the support, the links, and the energy. I really consider my fellow DUers family and I know how lucky I am to have you guys!!

I didn't get a chance to talk to him extensively - there were about 25 of us there, many in office or running for office, and I knew what an important networking event this was for them and I didn't want to steal anyone's thunder. I thanked him for calling me, got his autograph on "Prayer for America" and chatted a bit about a mutual friend in Japan, Yumi, who wrote a book about him. He put his hand on my shoulder and said, "We'll talk later Clarity." . He was so incredibly SINCERE and HUMBLE. That man just floors me. Before he went to talk to others, I told him I had some papers I wanted to give to him and that if I didn't, I know I'd regret it the rest of my days. He said, "Oh, no need for that! I'll be sure to take them before I leave and read them.".

He gave a speech and after took questions. The first one was about election reform and the voting machines. He didn't out and out say this election was stolen, but he did point out his vote against the certification of Ohio's votes, as well as said he is putting together a bill that would require all Federal elections USE A PAPER BALLOT. You should have heard the applause!!! He knows what happened. He may not be completely versed in all the details but I'll get to that later.

We ate our lunches and then I proceeded to take pictures of the event and of people with Dennis. Time was very pressed. He arrived late and had less than an hour. I regret not getting a picture with him but there will be a picture of me with others at the event posted at kucinich.us - it's relaunched - check it out.

Before he left, I grabbed him and handed him a global priority envelope (how appropriate) with all of the documents, starting with the smaller, easier to digest, and ending with the most detailed reports. He said, "Clarity, I promise I will take time and read this. Thank you." and I said, "I really appreciate it.". Then he just stood there with the most loving smile and I said, "You are my hero" and unexpectedly, he gave me a hug - a really genuine hug. I was absolutely on cloud nine.

I think we're on the edge of a huge break in this voting mess. The word that Kerry knows and is preparing to go full throttle is great news, and I know Dennis will read what we supplied him. He's so thoughtful and I know he'll approach this in the very best strategic way he can.

Have faith!

[DesEtoiles]

31. I pray every day...

for America. God bless her.

[housewolf]

32. Thank you SOOOOO much

both for being our representative today and for your detailed report - it makes me feel as though we were all there, in a way. I'm SOOOOO glad you go to go!

[Liberty Belle]

33. That's great! But tell Dennis we also need legislation to

require that every ballot be COUNTED. It should be a right not just to vote, but to be sure your vote counts. We can't trust vote counting to private companies that are partisan-owned.

Counting votes must be a transparent process. We can't have elections where ballots are simply tossed aside and ignored, or where courts step in and say it's okay not to count them.

Every lawfully cast ballot should be required to be counted, period.
Not just when it's close, or when there's a recount, but always.

[helderheid]

34. I'm sure that was in his legislation

he pointed out how easy it was to spoil paper ballots so he totally knows all the problems!

[kster]

37. Thank you for

giving us this report,great work,great story,keep on doing what you are doing,we will win. NGU

[Liberty Belle]

45. Don't assume. A voting rights advocate I trust told me

that not a single one of the Congressional election reform bills contains language to require that votes be counted or to prohibit private companies/partisan groups from counting our votes.

[helderheid]

46. I'll keep after him now that I'm on his radar

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Good to hear

Keep us updated with anything you think we should know dealing with this. I'm glad to know he's on this. :)

[bleever]

38. Bless you. Truth and love has power beyond strategy.

Thanks, helderheid.

:)

[ClassWarrior]

41. Awesome job, Clarity!

You're MY hero today.

NGU. :patriot:

[MuseRider]

42. I have been checking

for your report. As someone above said, you are my hero today. I will look for your pictures at the Kucinich site. Thank you so much for everything you have done. I have no doubt that DK will do everything he can for all of us, he is just that kind of guy.

I still chuckle at the thought of him having to leave voice mail to you. I love it.

Thanks.

[helderheid]

52. LOL

I have no time for you! YOU SHALL GO TO VOICE MAIL!

Heheheheh! I think I would have freaked if I'd answered so the Universe was probably trying to save me! LOL

[MelissaB]

43. Wonderful job, Clarity!

I've been waiting for your report and you certainly didn't disappoint. Thank you!!

:yourock:

[goodhue]

47. great report

thanks for posting

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Sounds great!!

Sounds like a great experience. I haven't been involved in politics too long (since last year) so I'm just getting to know the others and they're all really great. :) Is this true about Kerry and the election though? I hope so!

[helderheid]

53. got that info here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=360895&mesg_id=360895

[helderheid]

35. self kick

it's 11:11 so I thought it was most appropriate! Hehehe

Love to you all and we'll connect tomorrow. Thank you!!

[helderheid]

36. goin

to bed - even more appropriate (???)

[torque]

39. G'night and thanks! n/t

[ccarter84]

40. If you do get him onboard with election fraud idea

Have him call Robert Pastor's office and see if he can testify in front of the Commission...no matter what has been going around about Pastor, he's a decent guy as who's been put in a overly negative light recently.
-CC

*edit* congrats by the way...thats tight man

[hootinholler]

44. I only have 2 words for him: Paper Ballots! N/T

[helderheid]

48. My letter to Dennis

Dear Dennis,

I always feel honored to share the same room with you. I've had that opportunity 3 times now. You may remember I was at the Peace Party in LA and asked about electronic voting machines (though I was blonde then).

I just wanted to write and thank you for coming to Salt Lake City. You inspire wherever you go.

Shana Baker (who's husband was in Iraq) mentioned as you entered the room how you were to me as JFK was to you. About a month after you began your campaign for President, I had had it with what was happening to our country and decided I had to do something. I searched online for the Democrats running that year (though I was still unregistered to vote - at the age of 28, I had never voted). I found a list on MoveOn.Org and read each profile. I was so ecstatic when I read yours as you represented exactly how I felt. I was so thrilled to work on your campaign.

That said, you are my JFK. I'm afraid I was a bit star struck when we met!

I wanted to address the papers I handed you.

First, let me preface that I fully accept that Bush is the President of the United States today. I concede he is in power. However, I do believe, as many of us do, he stole this election, only far more smoothly than he did the one in 2000.

This is not about being a sore loser, it's about deep love and concern that our Democracy is gone. I know you know the problems with electronic voting and couldn't be more proud that you are working on legislation for paper ballots (and I know as well that there will always be fraud in elections - it just has to be as difficult as possible for it to happen).

The statistics all point to this being a fraudulent election. I would please ask you join John Conyers in this crusade. We need to uncover this and quick so there is a fair (or at least a more fair) shot for us in 2006.

I have been working closely with activists across this nation, and across the world, on this issue via democraticunderground.com . Please visit the site, go to the forums, and check out the 2004 election forum. We're there in force. It's not about looking back - it's about ensuring we have a future.

Dennis, thank you for everything you do and for who you are. Thank you for being my hero. Thank you for inspiring me enough to show up and speak the truth.

Thank you.

Clarity

PS - just a freaky side note. I dreamed a month ago I handed you those papers. I didn't know you were coming to town until last week. Kismit? I hope so.


"There are appropriate uses of technology but counting votes on computers in secret is not one of them." --Victoria Collier

Support Our Troops - Bring Them Home Now!

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http://www.VelvetRevolution.us#020505

[helderheid]

54. I just sent this with the subject "by the way"

you are in this video:

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#020505

[helderheid]

55. I just watched this again

Faye, Dzkia (sp??), this will be all he needs to see. This will spur him to learn all he can. Bless you.

[helderheid]

56. He responded

dear clarity, thank you for your exceedingly kind and generous note. i have reviewed the papers you have sent me and i share your concern about the integrity of the electoral process. please stay in touch. best wishes, dennis

[Melissa G]

57. nice letter and response! n/t

[helderheid]

58. I promise

I'll stay in touch with him!

[helderheid]

60. My response

Thank you so much for the prompt reply.

I am pleased you share my concern. Do you plan to work with John Conyers on
this issue? I know you're currently working with him on other issues.

Thank you

Clarity

PS - any chance we'll see pictures of the Saturday event on your website
soon?

-------Original Message-------


dear clarity, thank you for your exceedingly kind and generous note. i have
reviewed the papers you have sent me and i share your concern about the
integrity of the electoral process. please stay in touch. best wishes,
dennis