The Backlash Cometh - MAINSTREAM VOTE FRAUD 2004 COVERAGE SO FAR

[althecat]

The Backlash Cometh - Cowardly Media Flushed Out Of Their Bunker

Below I have compiled a list of DU threads on E-Vote Fraud stories in the mainstream media so far.

The good news - we have flushed the cowards out of their holes... and Keith Olberman HUGELY deserves the credit for this.

The bad news - now we have the spinsters on our case.... not only will they be going after the media (which will develop a herd mentality on this most probably) but they will also be going after the witnesesses. See Skinner's thread on Cuyoohooga (sp) county.

We are now at a critical phase in this. Personally I would have expected them to ignore us for longer. But my guess is they are shit scared that Kerry is taking us seriously.

Kerry and his team need to look beyond the 24 hour news cycle on this one.

Till yesterday there was a news blackout... then Olberman broke the story in the mainstream.. then Jennings poo poohed it and already today the papers are coming out in force.

Sometimes the world of journalism really is a sewerpipe.

Please add links to new vote fraud skeptic stories as they pop up. You can be assured there will be lots more.

And remember... don't beleive everything you read on the Internet.

Al

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MAINSTREAM VOTE FRAUD 2004 COVERAGE SO FAR

POSITIVE
VIDEO: Tuesday, Nov 9 Olbermann/Countdown segment on voting problems
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x35078

NEGATIVE
ABC News promo-ed a story re conspiracy theories that Bush didn't win
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2653198

Salon: Election Was NOT Stolen (Manjoo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2658586&mesg_id=2658586

Internet buzz on vote fraud is dismissed (Boston Globe 11/10)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=35798&mesg_id=35798

Ignore voting conspiracies and move on (orlando sentinal)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36097

Election conspiracy theories persist (AJC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36000

Election machines rigged... or not? (David Shuster - MSNBC)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x35593

BACKGROUND
Interesting Conversation with Reporter today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=33840&mesg_id=33840

Re: media sitting on election fraud story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=32871&mesg_id=32871

[Helga Scow Stern]

1. POSITIVE: Cincinnati Enquirer On Warren County Officials and Lock Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x975666

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. NEGATIVE: Cleveland Plain Dealer Glossing Over Vote Fraud

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x975769

[althecat]

3. Thanks Ojai.. and welcome to DU

[txindy]

4. Does this Charlotte Observer article qualify?

Glitch could force state to vote again

More than 4,500 votes irretrievably lost in coastal Carteret County could trigger a new statewide election if the official margin of victory in two Council of State races is close enough, state election officials said Monday.

The problem, which one expert called one of the worst election glitches nationwide, occurred on a machine that wasn't set correctly...

(cut)

Attorneys are studying whether the board could call a new election in Carteret County only, or even ask the disenfranchised voters to vote again. (Local elections officials have their names.)

But state law may not allow that: "The new election shall be held in the entire jurisdiction in which the original election was held," it says. That could mean the whole state...

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/10133265.htm

[althecat]

5. Counts as a positive report I would think... Please add more links

It would be cool if people would keep this kicked and add links to threads on Mainstream media reports, and media analysis, gossip and comment. I will compile them later into a summary report on the media environment for Scoop.

al

[Woody Box]

57. VERY POSITIVE: A website from South Carolina

Rose: Stolen Election II

http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/111204/LOCrose111204.shtml

By John David Rose
Think About It

Experienced with market research and surveys for years, something about election night didn't smell right to me. Survey results are never 100 percent accurate, but they are trustworthy indicators of market behavior.

The exit polls were organized and managed by the Associated Press, an experienced, skilled and responsible organization. By early evening on Election Day exit polls in key states clearly indicated a Kerry win.

So why was the final outcome so different? It made no sense.
Consider: There's no reason for voters to lie. A few pranksters may deliberately mislead, but not in sufficient numbers to skew the final result by much.

/cut

The only difference between that election and this is that the cheaters have become much slicker and more sophisticated in their election-stealing techniques.

Should we be angry? Darn right. But not just at a terribly-flawed system and partisan election officials who've turned American elections into a banana republic free-for-all.

Kerry and the Democratic Party promised that they would fight for every vote. The thinking half of America worked hard to win this election. We deserved a far stronger fight, even if it took several months and eventually was decided by partisan-driven courts.
When all the facts come out, we'll discover that America was robbed of an honestly elected president for the second time in a row.

John David Rose is a long-time Hilton Head Islander and political observer.

[althecat]

6. Drudge And ABC News - slightly neutral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x37209

[althecat]

7. NEGATIVE: CNN: Cospiracy Theories about the election. Coming up

CNN: Cospiracy Theories about the election. Coming up
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x37252

[holboz]

48. Subliminal 'spin' by Anderson Cooper on voter fraud...

Did anyone see Anderson Cooper 360 tonight? The only way I can describe it was a 'subliminal spin' job.

Right before they discussed the alleged reports of voter fraud they interviewed this millionaire who is advertising a 9/11 conspiracy theory in which he claims an airplane did not actually crash into the Pentagon and that the collapse of the WTC was an inside job and brought down by explosives (as opposed to structural damaged caused by the impact of the airplanes). This guy gave a truly piss poor interview and came off looking like a bit of a nutjob. Immediately after that interview Anderson led straight into the story about claims of voter fraud that have been ciruclating on the internet.

Maybe I'm just tainted by how things are packaged because I used to work in the industry in London and LA...but it's I can easily imagine the CNN producer planning out the show: "Alright...for this segment we'll have wacko 9/11 conspiracy theorist tailed by this voter fraud nonsense. Yeah, that'll fit nicely together."

Just wondering if anyone else got the same sort of vibe!

[robbedvoter]

8. Positive: Greg Palast on ABC - a morning black talk show

But right after the theft, on Air America he said NPR cancelled his appearance when told the topic

[CraZdem4life]

9. "liberal bias"

wow....there is no liberal bias in the election, every network is trying to act like fox news that they've moved the balance line from the center all the way to the neo-right. thank goodness that keith olbermann wants the truth and not us to just shut up and mysteriously disappear.

i wasnt able to vote in this election (16), but my dad was, and both of us are planning to protest on inaugration day (i live in northern VA, so about a 30 min drive up north) if bush cheats this election.

[TorchTheWitch]

10. THIS could make them stop the poo-pooing...

There's a recount going on right now in NY due to MACHINE VOTE TAMPERING!

DU thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36777

Brief summary... State Senate race. Dem - Stewart-Cousins. Rep - Spano. Spano won the election. A recount is being done as there were more Dem votes in the machines then were recorded during the election, the Dem is now winning in the recount.
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/3902820/detail.html

More links about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/nyregion/06spano.html

http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/110604/a01p0635s...

http://www.nyjournalnews.com/newsroom/110504/a010535sen...

[lostnfound]

11. Need LTTEs blaming * & congress for FAILURE to provide adequate system?

Why didn't they FIX the problems after 2000 so that we have easy audits and a transparent system?

Just one more thing that he's been a miserable failure at.

Even if he won fairly, they owed to all of us to prevent this controversy from every arising, by giving us an auditable system.

[AmyCrat]

12. Aljazeerah (yes, it's there)

Rove's Red Herring
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/November/10%20o/Rove's%20Red%20Herring%20By%20Mike%20Whitney.htm

[SmallFatCat]

105. Not 'THE' Al Jazeera

Just adding that the above linked site is not the same as the Al Jazeera television channel.

[AmyCrat]

13. POSITIVE - WNBC New York

As Voting Machines Are Checked, Spano's Lead Shrinks
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/3902820/detail.html

[AmyCrat]

14. POSITIVE - Washington Dispatch

As Voting Machines Are Checked, Spano's Lead Shrinks
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000723.html

[AmyCrat]

15. POSITIVE - Michigan Tech University

Making the count... more or less
http://www.mtulode.com/viewarticle.php?ArticleID=3794

[althecat]

16. POSITIVE: MiamiHerald: Hackers rigging voting machines real possibility

MiamiHerald.com: "Hackers rigging voting machines a real possibility"
From LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x975204

[Straight Shooter]

17. There was bipartisan Congressional concern on 5/14/04

edit: not a news story now, but something to bear in mind as to the mindset just a few months ago

How can they possibly scoff now? This article from Federal Computer Week. Notice that two signers are Republicans from Florida, and one is a Republican from Ohio. Conyers and Scott are the only two who signed this letter who also signed the Nov. 9 letter to the GAO requesting investigation of the evoting machines and possible vote fraud.

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2004/0510/web-evote-05-14-04.asp

Thirteen members of the House of Representatives have asked the General Accounting Office to investigate electronic voting and the security and reliability of voting machines.

In a letter sent today to Comptroller General David Walker, the members write that the topic concerns "a critical aspect of American democracy — the ability of Americans to have confidence that the votes they cast in an election will be counted accurately and fairly."
The letter touches on security concerns that some computer scientists have raised about direct recording electronic (DRE) machines, which are made by several companies. Voters using DREs record their votes by touching the screen. Some computer scientists and legislators worry that the machines could record incorrect information, whether through accident or malevolent intent, but many election officials and vendor officials dismiss the concerns.

Eight Republicans are among the 13 signers, as what had been a largely Democratic issue becomes increasingly bipartisan.
Government Reform Committee chair Tom Davis (R-Va.) and ranking minority member Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), signed the letter, as did Judiciary Committee chair F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wisc.) and ranking minority member John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.)

The other signers are:
· William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.)
· John Larson (D-Conn.)
· Doug Ose (R-Calif.)
· Todd Russell Platts (R-Pa.)
· Adam Putnam (R-Fla.)
· Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.)
· Robert Scott (D-Va.)
· Christopher Shays (R-Conn.)
· Michael R. Turner (R-Ohio)

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

18. So glad you found this! Would you send it to Judy Woodruff at CNN?

This seems like the sort of thing that will help to convince the more mainstream media outlets. Reminding them that this was a serious issue, even before the election, will probably help the case for an investigation. AND particularly since Republicans were also calling for the GAO to look into it AND that it was considered important enough for FCW, which, you may have noticed, bills itself as, "Your Government IT Source"

I think this is the sort of thing that helps convince more mainstream sorts of people. If you don't want to send it to Judy Woodruff, would it be ok if I do? Maybe Olbermann too.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

19. Why not develop a list of all positive stories and send them to mainstream

media? Especially Judy Woodruff, as she at least opened the door a tiny crack. Toward the end of what was certainly a negative piece both she and the person she interviewed acknowledged that e-voting still is a valid concern, even if fraud is not found. If she gets a lot of info containing facts about the problems with the machines, perhaps it might change her mind a bit, so that maybe the door will open just a little more, and she would be willing to put more info on her program.

[Carolab]

20. Somewhat neutral--Star Tribune

Minneapolis Star Tribune 11/10/04: "For Some The Fat Lady Hasn't Sung Yet" http://24hour.startribune.com/login/?goto=http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5077645.html

[Magic_Cookie]

21. Interesting Link

If it doesn't belong here feel free to remove it :)

Calif. settles electronic voting suit against Diebold for $2.6M
Wednesday November 10, 2004

http://kcal9.com/california/CA--ElectronicVotingS-kn/resources_news_html

[althecat]

28. Interesting AND THEN SOME - DIEBOLD GETS OFF IN CA

Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk

Fortunately Bev is still suing them as far as I know. So they will not get off scott free... but to pull an announcement like this in the midst of this controversy.

!!!

[althecat]

22. WOW!! Aaron Brown CNN is covering fraud "conspiracy theory"

WOW!! Aaron Brown is covering fraud "conspiracy theory"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=39197&mesg_id=39197

[althecat]

23. 2nd Thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=39176&mesg_id=39176

[althecat]

24. POSITIVE: More Olbermann & CNS News

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x40282
Olberman: Green Party demanding a recount in Ohio!


Not sure if this has already been posted but I just found it this morning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/


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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x40851

Left Wing Claims Exit Polls Were Accurate, Bush Stole Election



http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200411/POL2004111...
<snip>---
(CNSNews.com) - An emerging conspiracy theory among some political left wingers acccuses Republicans of stealing the 2004 presidential election. While many Americans wonder why Election Day exit polling was so inaccurate and showed Democrat John Kerry winning, liberal bloggers and activists insist the exit polls were correct and that Republican forces used fraud to help President Bush win re-election on Nov. 2.


But the controversy isn't confined to bloggers and activists.


Greg Palast, a contributing editor to Harper's magazine, conducted an investigation into voter fraud for BBC television's Newsnight.

[chomskysright]

141. I just sent this compendium to Aaron Brown

Marsha Hammond, PhD
Licensed Psychologist; GA & NC
e mail: [e-mail]

November 17, 2004

Hello:

The blogosphere is mapping out your coverage. See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36208&mesg_id=39661&page=

In accord with that, and in order to bring forward the point that we are not all paranoid whackos out here (but rather professionals with a deep concern), these might be some useful sites for you.

Thank you for your hard work.

Marsha Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist



http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/Campaign2006/SurprisingFloridaPresidentialElectionResults.htm interesting stats not to be dismissed re: FL


http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf original letter from congress people asking for investigation by GAO


http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_exit_poll_discrepancy_v00k.pdf exit poll analysis U PA
NC (it is my understanding that this information is associated with the most reliable exit poll data; the researcher's e mail is on this pdf)



http://www.voteprotect.org the most detail information I have found re: voting irregularities, easily organized across the states


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm New Zealand analysis: Complete US Exit Poll Data Confirms Net Suspicions
Full 51 State Early Exit Poll Data Released For The First Time



http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Jordan-Dawshed072501/Bush_s_Fifth_Ace.pdf provocative article about how it could shape out issuing from the perspective of 2001 election; I have just started looking at this but what is quite interesting is that it spells out useful methodology. To suit:

What we found was implausible enough to justify an investigation by law
enforcement authorities. Precinct level information from 11 northern counties
revealed that two parameters which can be logically connected to electoral fraud
(ballot spoilage and the number of Gore votes divided by the number of Nelson
votes) account for two-thirds of the variation in Gore’s performance; the chances
of this occurring by chances are about 1 in 1047(ten raised to the 47th power).
This was true in aggregate as well as individually.

[althecat]

25. VERY POSITIVE: MoveOn.Org joins the party....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x41008

[Reynman]

34. This is huge!

Came here to post a new thread for this, but don't have enough posts yet. Can we get this on the front page?

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Thanks!

Keep fighting...

[althecat]

39. There are a couple already floating around. Someone may link em here...

That is what this thread is for - Sort of a thread index. To Mainstream Media

[althecat]

26. NEGATIVE: Washington Post

I guess there are a few threads on this up already... just spotted it in ABC's The Note...

This is extremely mainstream - and page 2!!!

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41106-2004Nov10.html

Latest Conspiracy Theory -- Kerry Won -- Hits the Ether

By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Dan Keating
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, November 11, 2004; Page A02

MIAMI, Nov. 10 -- The e-mail subject lines couldn't be any bigger and bolder: "Another Stolen Election," "Presidential election was hacked," "Ohio Fraud."

Even as Sen. John F. Kerry's campaign is steadfastly refusing to challenge the results of the presidential election, the bloggers and the mortally wounded party loyalists and the spreadsheet-wielding conspiracy theorists are filling the Internet with head-turning allegations. There is the one about more ballots cast than registered voters in the big Ohio county anchored by Cleveland. There are claims that a suspicious number of Florida counties ended up with Bush vote totals that were far larger than the number of registered Republican voters. And then there is the one that might be the most popular of all: the exit polls that showed Kerry winning big weren't wrong -- they were right.

[althecat]

31. Discussion here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x41103

[althecat]

27. POSITIVE: Working For Change Petition

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=18056

[althecat]

29. Ann Coulter... comments on Fox News Coverage bites Olbermann

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=38959&mesg_id=38959

[althecat]

30. WIRED: Kim Zetter Looks At Kathy Dopp's Figs And Decides We Are Wrong

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=41389#41436

[althecat]

32. POSITIVE: Latest Olbermann Thread... new broadcast tonight

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x41445

[althecat]

33. NEGATIVE: ABC News "Conspiracy Theories" video clip...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=34664&mesg_id=34664

[Emillereid]

35. Press is locked-down! Email I received this morning!

Stefanie Cook is a former programmer at Microsoft. Her maiden name is Reichel, and her father was on the National Security Council under Reagen and Bush the First.  She's sharp, smart and pretty well connected.  She's about 38 and lives down the street from me, with her husband and two little girls.  She is not a nut-case.

There is a bumper sticker I saw months ago that sums up the current state of affairs in our country regarding what is the biggest news story you'll never see on the General Media reported.  It said "IF YOUR NOT OUTRAGED, YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION". On Friday I received a phone call from a good friend who works at CBS - I've known her for years and she is a Producer for some of the news programs, one well known one in particular.   She tipped me off that the news media is in a "lock-down" and that there is to be no no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2nd.  She said similar "lock-down orders" had come down last year after the invasion of Iraq, but this is far worse - far scarier.  She said the majority of their journalists at CBS and elsewhere in NYC are pretty horrified - every one is worried about their jobs and retribution Dan Rather style or worse.  My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time but she was pissed and her journalistic and moral integrity as what she considers to be a gov't watchdog requires her to speak out, while be it covert and she therefore asked me to "spread" the word...She said that journalism and the truth is at stake.  She said another friend of hers, a producer at MSNBC, said that an anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann had brought it up on his show on Friday eve and the axe came down.  He's atleast fighting back and talking about it on his "Blog", but she said that people there are worried that he's going to be fired by higher ups. She said at this point the only way that the "real news" was going to be if the people started talking about it and made a big enough stink about it to our elected officials, the FEC, and "noise" to the international media, that our own media won't have any choice but to cover it.  (Yes, this is really happening in the good ole' supposed "democratic" free press of the US of A).  The only place you'll see this talked about right now is on the internet and on AirAmericaRadio.

Everyone - this is serious....I can't emphasize it any more than saying if there was ever a time to speak up and take action it is NOW.  If you are feeling sick to your stomach (like me) about the possibility of 4 more years under Bush and the future of our country, and yet you feel helpless, here's your opportunity to take action.  Imagine if you saw a loved one drowning - what do you do?  Well, our country's democracy is drowning and she needs us.

Please, find 20-30 minutes today to call and/or email the following list of people and agencies and tell them that you are outraged and concerned about the possibility of election fraud and votes not having been counted properly in your state and others that may have altered the outcome of the election.  Mention that you are aware of reports from counties around the country (in particular OH and Florida) that reported the following a) More votes recorded than there are voters in counties using electronic voting machines b) that not all military, provisional and absentee ballots have been counted.  Let them know you consider this to be serious violations of your rights as a citizen under the "HAVA - Help America Vote Act" and that you want them to undertake an investigation.

People and Agencies to Contact regarding this matter:

1) Your two Senators & elected Representative - here is the main switchboard number for the House and Senate:
    202-224-3121

2) Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader:
   202-225-4965

3) These members are allegedl/reportedly looking into the issue - urge them to introduce a bill to investigate voter fraud:

Rep. Henry Waxman of CA - 202-225-3976
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones of OH - 202-225-7032
Rep. Dennis Kucinich of OH - 202-225-5871
Rep. Tim Ryan of OH - 202-225-5261


4) Democratic & Republican Members of the House Judiciary Committee:Rep. Robert Wexler of FL -  202-225-3001

Rep.Henry Waxler of CA -
Rep. Maxine Waters of CA - 202-225-2201
Rep. Chabot of OH (R)- 202-225-2216
Rep. King of IA (R)- 202-225-4426

5) Democrat & Republican Members (call both) of the Senate Judiciary Committee:

Sen. Patrick Leahy of VT - 202-224-4242
Sen. Ted Kennedy of MA - 202-224-4543
Sen. Joe Biden of DE - 202-224-5042
Sen. Russ Feingold of WI - 202-224-5323
Sen. Charles Schumer of NY - 202-224-6542
Sen. Arlen Specter of PA (R) - 202-224-4254 (thank him also for having urged the Pres. to not choose anti-abortion judges and taking the body blows)
Sen. Mike DeWine of OH (R) - 202-224-2315
Sen. Chuck Grassley of IA (R)- 202-224-3744

6) Federal Elections Commission:

Audit Division


Joseph Stoltz, Assistant Staff Director
Telephone: [phone] (press 0, then ext. 1200)

Inspector General

Lynne McFarland, Inspector General
Telephone:   [phone] (press 0, then ext. 1015)

 

7) The news media - we have to put pressure on them: (this is all I could find for now)

   NBC/MSNBC- [e-mail] & [e-mail] 

   CNN-http://www.cnn.com/feedback/

    CBS-212-258-6000 - [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail]


8)  Call the Secretary of State's office in the state of OH and FL -
Tell them that you demand under the HAVA law to have all votes counted - especially the absentee, military and all provisional ballots counted and verified - tell them you suspect foul-play.

Phone # to OH Sec. of State Kenneth Blackwell's Office:
toll free - 1-877-767-6446 or email:

[e-mail]

or 614-466-2585

Phone # to FL Sec. of State Glenda Hood's Office:
 
850-245-6500

9) Donate $5 to Bev Harris at

http://www.blackboxvoting.org
- she has been filing 1000's of information requests under the "FOIA-Freedom of Information Act" to account for the various voting machines across the country.

10) Email or Fax Ralph Nader - Yep, you heard me, good ole Ralph....here's his opportunity to make up for any feelings of bad will after the 2000 election and the current one.  Ralph has been a lifelong advocate for us, the consumer and little guy and he is actually in the unique position right now to do something since he was a Presidential candidate and has the ability to be listened to.  He has actually already filed a challenge in NH (not that he is looking to overturn the results, but because he can prove there may have been bigger problems and he qualifies there as having been on the ballot).

http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400
Urge him to do this across the board on a national level.  Heck, the media seemed to have such a lovefest with him before the election, could they possibly ignore him now?  Contact Ralph at - 202-265-4000

11) Call/email Jimmy Carter at the Carter Center: [e-mail] or call at [phone]

   Former President Jimmy Carter and the Carter Center are considered to be the most experienced in the election process and conducting fair democratic elections - urge him to get involved and investigate possible fraud and the unexplainable discepancies throughout the election involving the computer voting machines, especially in swing states.


In an email I sent you last night, I used the F-word - FRAUD and mentioned to you that I felt strongly that there is a lot of mounting evidence that this election was not clean.   I say that not only out of a result of my observations while out in the field as a poll watcher in the key battleground state of Ohio, I say it with the knowledge and information of reports that have been circulating around the country in various voting precincts involving irregularities and problems with the voting machines and numbers not matching up with the exit polls or actual numbers of registered voters in various precincts.  I've been busy researching this issue and compiling for you below some details of these reports and where you can get more info:

To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:

1- That the exit polls were WRONG...(remember - they have been used for over a decade and considered reliable)

2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were WRONG. He was within a less than 1/2 % point margin of error in his 2000 final poll and previous polls for other elections.

3- That Harris Poll last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. They were also within a 1/2% point margin of error in their 2000 final poll.

4- The Incumbent Rule #I (that undecideds primarily break at the end for the challenger)was WRONG.

5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling)

6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)

7- That Journalist Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before the election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disnfranchised in 2000.

8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT where there WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was NO PAPER TRAIL.

9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for Kerry, even though it was the largest number of youth voters 18-29 ever and a huge jump from 2000 and they were over 55% in favor of Kerry.

10- That Bush BEAT 99-1 mathematical odds in winning the election.

11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the support of SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.

12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.

13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered with in this election.

Some Examples: (There are many more, but I won't list them all here - this is to give you an idea)

-  The City of Gahanna in Ohio discovered a discrepancy that gave 4,000 votes to George Bush. After media scrutiny, city officials have admitted to an electronic "glitch" that caused the problem. 

-  In Broward County, FL, errors in software code caused a referendum on gambling to be completely overturned. The error caused totals to count backwards after reaching a ceiling of 32,500 votes. The problem existed in the 2002 election as well however the issue was never resolved by the manufacturer of the electronic voting machine.

-  In North Carolina, a Craven County district logged 11,283 more votes than voters and actually overturned the results of a regional race.

For more info, go to:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm

There are key people right now working behind the scenes on this...but meanwhile, we the people at a a grassroots level need to start making the corporate media pay attention to the "Real Story" not the "Moral Values" headlines and stories being featured on the news currently including the "Boy Genius - Karl Rove" Cover stories on CNN and Fox.  We need to support those that are pursuing this issue to reveal the truth and get an inquiry going.  If any of you remember Michael Moore's movie Fahrenheit 9/11, you'll remember the scene where the Black Congressional Caucus members stood up in a joint session of Congress in 2000 and asked for a single Senator to back them in an investigation of "Voter Fraud and Disenfranchisement".  Many who saw the film felt ashamed at that moment and many didn't even know this had happened.  Well, its happening all over again....History has a funny way of repeating itself if we don't pay attention and learn.  Currently there are several members of Congress and the House Judiciary Committee that have requested  the GAO (General Accounting Office) to implement an inquiry into computer voting machine problems (http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf).

There are also folks across the country at the grassroots level filing Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to investigate these problems immediately.  One of the biggest driving individuals behind this effort is a woman by the name of Bev Harris from Seattle, WA. (her site is http://www.blackboxvoting.org).  I became familiar with Bev Harris when I saw her on MSNBC give a demonstration to Howard Dean on how easy it was to "hack" the central tabulator computer for these computer voting systems and change the results.  She did it in less than 2 minutes and in a way that no one monitoring the system could tell.  I later saw her demonstrate this at a presentation here in Marin County this year. Sadly, no one seemed to pay attention, including in the Democratic Party and now, here we are after one of the biggest elections of our lifetime and with problems surfacing all over the place with no answers or accountability. Worse is that no one is covering what is perhaps the biggest story of all - the fraud involved in this election.

This is not the "Dems" being sore losers...this is real stuff folks.  Real problems.  If this issue and fraud isn't addressed, our democracy and our votes in the future are dead. Won't even be a point in voting.

Namaste

Stefanie

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles.

It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt......If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."

Thomas Jefferson, 1798, after the passage of the Sedition Act.

[Karenca]

36. CAN SOMEONE KICK THIS TOPIC UP

FRONT...
I cant seem to , i think it is soooo important.
thanks

[greenmutha]

37. Kicking! n/t

[greenmutha]

38. Kicking again!

This is important...

[althecat]

40. NBC news doing sommat....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x42446

[althecat]

41. NEGATIVE: Report and comment on NBC report

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x42861

[althecat]

44. LBN report.. more thourogh with link - looks signiificant

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x981075

[althecat]

45. Big Angry Thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=42489&mesg_id=42489

[althecat]

42. NEUTRAL: Anderson Cooper CNN 360

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2674427

[althecat]

43. POSITIVE: MSNBC David Shuster

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x981177

[althecat]

46. NPR Flooded with evoting feedback email

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x43262

[4dog]

47. Let's see if Steven Freeman's paper spreads

to the mainstream:

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_exit_poll_discrepancy_v00k.pdf

[ClarkinMich]

49. On the Media

New poster here, been lurking since the election.

First comment, someone posted it before, somewhere on DU:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
-Gahndi

I could not verify the attribution, but this is the best snippet that I have read in the last 1.5 weeks and it keeps me going. We are now entering the "laugh at you" stage, the fight is yet to come.

Stand strong, write those congressman, contribute the funds, do whatever you can. Enough of us convincing enough rational people can turn this tide. I really want to thank all of those out there doing the hard work... you are saving our country.

One last thinking point... I am composing a more detailed post on this topic. We cannot win this battle from the left. It is too easy to dismiss us as "conspiracy theorists." The courts will not save us and the other side may be smart enough or have enough dirty tricks to keep the smoking gun hidden for 1 more month. We have 1 month unless you want 4 more yrs of W. I know this is bigger than this election, and I will fight with that in mind...

All of that said, start thinking about how to convince your friends, neighbors, co-workers that this is true and their FREEDOM has been taken. I am talking about the ones that would think that you are nuts for reading or posting on this site, the ones that were wavering, even some of the ones that voted for W but have fairness, honesty and freedom as guiding principles. A coalition with strong voices in the center will be the most effective way to win.

Please don't flame me too hard on this. I know that the whole country (myself included) owe a debt of gratitude to those of you that have been working hard on this since way before 11/2/04.

One last note, thank God for the bravery of Nader, Cobb & Badnarik (not to mention Bev, Ida, and all the others that activated the grass roots recount efforts). I hope the other threads are right about K outsmarting B by laying low now... If not I voted for the wrong guy. One of the above deserves my vote.

[althecat]

50. NOT MSM BUT SO IMPT -------------------------------- WE DRAW A LINE HER

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_exit_poll_discrepancy_v00k.pdf

Ok Washpost and NYT... whaddayagonnasaynow!

[Sideways]

51. KICK

[Sideways]

52. Kick

[Sideways]

53. Kick

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54. Kick

[bleever]

55. NEGATIVE: SF Chronicle: Despite web rants, Dixiecrat theory explains

it all, and other stats are inconclusive.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/11/MNG2P9PJ5M1.DTL

[mirandapriestly]

56. NPR covering now

mixed.
privatation of election causing "conspiracy theory"

[demgrrrll]

82. Positive Sam Parry debunks Dixiecrat story...great read.

<http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/111204.html> The premise is where did George Bush get his votes in Florida.

[demodonkey]

58. NEGATIVE -- And it's on AAR (Franken)

Al just had a guy from Cornell U on who stated he was a Kerry supporter and whose last statement was emphatic that he did not believe that there was any widespread attempt to steal elections this time.

On the positive, he did mention that there are problems with BB voting machines that need attention.

Somebody who heard it all PLEASE post more because I just heard the last minute or two.

[althecat]

70. Franken discussion here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x45268

[Laughing Mirror]

59. ULTRA-POSITIVE: Black Commentator: Rule By Theft, Reconstructing the Crime

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=42119&mesg_id=42119

[Carolab]

60. WRONG: Washington Post blaming "voter apathy"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43630-2004Nov11.html

The worst thing is NOT "VOTER" apathy about this--it's MEDIA apathy

[Lilli]

61. ...

...

[althecat]

62. DUBBVCC - link to TASK REQUEST TO MAINTAIN THIS THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=2692&mesg_id=2821&page=

And thanks to those of you who have started doing this. It is appreciated. It means that people can come in after a break and see what is breaking in the media.. from the look of things there is TV stuff happening all over the place HARDBALL coming up soon...

I am particularl looking to see if the FREEMAN/BUZZFLASH report is going to be mentioned anywhere.. I see this as a bit of a turning point in the theoretical argument.

[greenmutha]

63. Kick! n/t

[greenmutha]

64. Kick! n/t

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65. Kick! n/t

[ClarkinMich]

66. Charlie Rose show on Univ of Michigan Television

OK, here is an obscure one:

Was just now (~11 PM EST) flipping channels and crossed WFUM (University of Michigan Television). The radio station is an NPR and PRI affiliate.

On was a discussion program (never saw it before). The host was Charlie Rose. Guests were Rep. Nadler (D-NY) and John Schwartz (?) of New York Times. Discussion centered around was the election stolen, what about BBV, etc.

Both agreed that BBV is problematic. Nadler was very vocal in discussing need of paper trail. NYT reporter was somewhat defensive of BBV companies (The election clerks do not want to be bothered with more complexity in the machines)

Then, a turn. Nadler stated clearly (not quoting - paraphrasing) -- I do not think that the election was stolen. None of the theories add up to enough votes... unless it was hacked... then no one would know. (I wonder what he knows and can't say??) Is he on our side or not??


Nadler also threw in a comment... I hope that the GAO investigates this... you know the republicans control everything now, they will do what they want... or something to that effect.

All and all interesting...wish I had taped it... was a deer in the headlights for the first 1/2 of it. Didn't check the website yet... maybe there will eventually be a transcript or something:

http://www.wfum.org/

I posted in this thread before a quote:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
-Gahndi

They are now fighting... it will get more intense. Keep it up DU'ers.

EDIT - I didn't know that this was national PBS show. My other PBS station had something different on... and I rarely watch PBS.
Another thread talks about this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=46690#46733

[althecat]

67. POSITIVE: OLBERMANN and HARDBALL video links here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x2089

[althecat]

68. Olbermann discussion here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45819&mesg_id=45819

[althecat]

69. Hardball discussion here... JOE TRIPPI was EXCELLENT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45927&mesg_id=45927

JOE

[althecat]

75. More Hardball disscussion - did Tweety lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x45858

[althecat]

71. POSITIVE - Washington Times/UPI - Major bugs found in Diebold vote system

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x46615

[McCamy Taylor]

109. why would rev moon's paper print a pro story?

could it be that Karl Rove is worried about the recounts in NH and Ohio and wants to be able to claim that anyone (aliens, al Qaeda, Democrats) could have hacked the vote?

[althecat]

72. PBS - Charlie Rose does vote fraud, etc, on PBS tonight

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x46690

[althecat]

73. DEMORALISING: Greg Palast

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45933&mesg_id=45933

[althecat]

74. POSITIVE: Truthout/Alternet - Steven Rosenfeld - A Legitimate Recount Effo

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x46330

[althecat]

76. FUNNY: Fox News - Election Questions That Just Won't Quit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45045&mesg_id=45045

[greenmutha]

77. nightie night kick!

:kick:

[althecat]

78. INTERESTING: Howard Dean & Bernstein On Polls & Media

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=46741#46779

[Fiendish Thingy]

79. MIDLY POSITIVE- Santa Cruz (CA) Sentinel- Op Ed piece

Some pooh-poohing, but says there is enough evidence to warrant a congressional investigation. Also blasts Bush and congress for not acting definitively to solve messes from 2000.

[greenmutha]

80. Good morning kick!

:kick:

[barbaraann]

81. Eugene Weekly: Another Stolen Election

Last paragraph is chilling:

...
Shortly after this coup, Sen. Ron Wyden was asked at a town hall meeting in Cottage Grove why he ignored the election fraud — he refused to answer. Please urge him to support his colleagues' efforts to investigate the systemic manipulation of our "election."


http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2004/11/11/views.html#view2

[Fiendish Thingy]

83. Netscape/CNN reporting on NC electoral mess

more focused on non-presidential races; just another drip in what will hopefully soon become a flood of fraud stories.
link here

[Fiendish Thingy]

84. YAHOO/REUTERS:NM still undecided

talks about slow counts, lack of funds for counting, Bush's lead down to 6,000 or so...

link here

[Fiendish Thingy]

85. YAHOO/AP:Computer glitch changes election result in Ind.

again, not about the presidential race, but a toe in the water to plant seeds of doubt. If a glitch can change a local race, and enough local races(Indiana, FL, NC, WA, etc.) are written about, then the next logical step would be to question the national/presidential races...right? This perhaps needs a little nudge from the DNC/Kerry campaign, say, a press conference with a comprehensive compilation of the evidence, on the Monday after Thanksgiving? (2 weeks before Electoral College votes)

link here

To clarify my point, it seems that there is a "lockdown" on the media covering fraud in the presidential election, but not at the local level...so that's where we start from...LTTE anyone?

[cthrumatrix]

87. wht can't the media just say --- "we have problems" let's take our time

and do this RIGHT....count all...validate results.

[idiosyncratic]

86. Kick

:kick:

[DEMS4TRUTH]

88. TRUTH

THE MEDIA CANT DENY THE TRUTH IN THE END!

[greenmutha]

89. Kick! n/t

[Lil]

90. kick n/t

[greenmutha]

91. Kick! n/t

[fearnobush]

92. POSITIVE: Moscow Times - Global Eye Game Boy

We said it here over and over, going back to 2003: If the U.S. presidential election was close enough to be gamed, it damn sure would be gamed. And the chunks of evidence now rolling in -- like so many cracked shells of fact in a high tide of pompous drivel -- increasingly indicate that millions of votes were indeed monkeyed with on the way to amassing George W. Bush's teeny-tiny one percent majority last week.

It seems we were all a bit too quick to concede the reality of Li'l Pretzel's "mandate." For example, in county after county, state after state, unprecedented discrepancies between the exit polls and the final result turned up -- in areas that used electronic voting, that is, usually without a recountable paper trail. In almost every such case, exit poll leads for John Kerry -- sometimes very substantial leads, beyond the realm of statistical error -- were converted in the end to narrow victories for Bush. Yet strangely enough, in those areas that relied on paper ballots -- utterly tangible records of voter intent -- the exit polls and final counts were in virtual lockstep. Of course, for decades exit polls have been phenomenonally successful in gauging the actual electoral outcome -- until the advent of national elections involving Bush and his political puppeteer, Karl Rove.

more
<http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/11/12/120.html>

[fearnobush]

93. POSITIVE: AOL/CNN - Two N.C. Races Held Up by Voting Problems

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A Florida-style nightmare has unfolded in North Carolina in the 10 days since Election Day, with thousands of votes missing and the outcome of two statewide races still up in the air.

The fiasco has not reached the proportions of what happened in 2000 in Florida - in part because the presidential race was not close here. But election observers say North Carolina has been the site of some of 2004's worst problems.

The biggest failure resulted from a computer glitch that wiped out more than 4,400 votes in one county, while other disputes have focused on how to count provisional ballots. In another county, 12,000 early and absentee votes were misplaced due to a procedural error, but later found.

Federal authorities said they plan to look into what happened in two counties that have had the most severe breakdowns.


Two statewide races - for agriculture commissioner and superintendent of public instruction - remained unresolved in North Carolina on Friday, and they were so close that recounts will be conducted in the next week. The race for state auditor was not settled until eight days after the election.

more

<http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20041112%2F2333565996.htm&photoid=20041102FLJC106>

[greenmutha]

94. kick! n/t

[althecat]

95. NEUTRAL: Kevin Drum - Washington Monthly (on Freeman)

Hadn't seen this. It is good albeit rather skeptical.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005147.php

[Lil]

96. kick

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97. kick n/t

[greenmutha]

98. Kick! n/t

[greenmutha]

99. Kicking n/t

[RUAWHACKO]

107. KICK KICK KICK

Sometimes you kick- sometimes you get kicked

80's babies got that..... I think

[Helga Scow Stern]

100. NEUTRAL: LA Times reporting on Ohio

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=49677#50114

Here I've asked about the discrepancy between it and Greg Pallast's 11/12 report on minority disenfranchisement.

[greenmutha]

101. Kick! n/t

[Dr Fate]

102. E-mail Canadian & British media w/ these stories.

They can also "fool" the US media into looking into this...

[Lil]

103. kick

[danieltm]

104. O'rielly, Hannity making us sound like kooks

for questioning the results.

[RUAWHACKO]

106. Looking Forward

to tomorrow-
what do you all see happening?
Will there be hearings to officially start the recount?

[RUAWHACKO]

108. CBS NEWS

John Roberts doing the news tonight on CBS definately had a pro-Dem feel.

At least some people care.


NOW IF ONLY ONE OF THESE FRIGGIN REPORTERS WOULD REPORT FOR REAL DUTY AND INVESTIGATE THIS STORY....

not to mention the 500 other stories that are probably really important that we know nothing about because the MSM doesnt investigate crap

[tbuddha]

143. Screw Hannity and O'Lielly

To be berated by them is a badge of honor for all of us. When this is over they will be seen as the pap smears they are!

[Kralizec]

110. Does anyone have a list of all the articles here?

If not, I should be able to get them all together soon enough...

[althecat]

115. Once you do can you post them in a post.. I could use them in that form...

Better still email em to me.

[Lil]

111. kick

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112. kick

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113. kick

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114. kick

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116. Kick! n/t

[trygee]

117. POSITIVE. French Le Monde 11/09

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/recherche_articleweb/1,13-0,36-386347,0.html

[greenmutha]

118. Kick! n/t

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119. Kick! n/t

[KaryninMiami]

120. Semi- Positive (inquisitive)- Boston Phoenix

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/multi-page/documents/04256171.asp

[savetheuniverse]

121. kick

[savetheuniverse]

122. kick

[gristy]

123. kick

This is an amazing thread, folks.

[jmatthan]

124. My take is that it is

Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann and Mike Malloy that are keeping this kicked by their completely different styles of approaching the issue.

People like Al Franken and The Yoiung Turks are trying to bury this story.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[Lil]

125. kick

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126. kick

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127. Kick! n/t

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128. Kick! n/t

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129. Kick! n/t

[greenmutha]

130. kicking

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131. kicking

[althecat]

132. Time Magazine makes Radiclib puke

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x56172

[althecat]

133. POSITIVE: Daniel Hopsiker - Not mainstream but interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=55350&mesg_id=55350

[althecat]

134. POSITIVE: Nadler and NYT Shwartz on Charlie Rose

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3647

[ClarkinMich]

135. Neutral - NPR Morning Edition 1/16/04 OHIO RECOUNT

Good story on recount - many quotes from spokesman of Cobb campaign discussing problems and that they need to be fixed

NPR host:
"...not expected to change the outcome of the presidential election..."

some spokesman for K-E campaign:
"We are not looking for voter fraud, we are not expecting to find voter fraud..."

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4172133

surprised this was not already here...

[Lil]

136. kick

[greenmutha]

137. kick!

[seaclyr]

138. POSITIVE: Pravda - "Did Bush Fix the Elections?"

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news-id14556 or maybe news_id14556

[Lil]

139. Local couple (from OR) travel to Florida to watch polls

http://www.newportnewstimes.com/articles/2004/11/17/news/news15.txt

From
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x57414>

A local couple - Vietnam veteran Ron Betts and Sharon Scarborough - went down to Florida, scene of the great 2000 election debacle, as poll watchers with the "Election Protection" group, a coalition of some two dozen Florida groups who wanted to avoid another election fiasco.. . .

[greenmutha]

140. Kick!

[Kralizec]

142. Kick

[Lil]

144. Bernie Ward talk show on KGO am (ABC) SanFrancisco FINALLY

He read an interview with Bev re: the circus at Volusia. I didn't catch who the interviewer was but the article was one I have seen linked around here, I think.

He says he will keep an eye on it and report new events. He does have a large audience all over the world (I am in Australia), and he takes a lot of calls.

streaming 10pm - 1am PST
http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive.asp#

Archives are here for 24 hours following program - it was at 11pm hour
http://www.kgoam810.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=263588&PT=Archives

Ray Taliaferro on from 1am to 5am PST has been covering it for a few days now.

[Lil]

145. NOW Ray Taliaferro on from 1am to 5am PST re fraud

http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive.asp#

Columbus OH 68 new machines in offices - not used to relieve backup

[boi1946]

146. Kick!

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[Lil]

147. kick

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148. kick

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149. kick

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150. Kick! n/t

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[tinfoil_beret]

152. Did Bush Lose the Election? (Baltimore Chronicle & Sentinel [today])

http://baltimorechronicle.com/112204MargieBurns.shtml

This commentator poses the question. Though the article treats the subject superficially, the question is clear.

"As things stand right now, it seems unlikely that Mr. Bush won the election."

[bywho4who]

155. kick it!

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153. kick! n/t

[Melissa G]

154. Double Kick!

[Gloria]

156. KICK!!!

eom

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

157. Kick!!!!

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158. kick! n/t

[MARALE]

159. kick n/t

[althecat]

199. kick

[wiggs]

160. AL: What do you find regarding the NY Senate race recount?

Last week this looked like the closest thing to proof of tampering out there. A recount showed that nearly all machines errored for the republican candidate, giving the democratic candidate fewer votes in the election night tally than were actually cast.

This seemed really important. What are the official results and why isn't anyone talking about it one way or the other?

[greenmutha]

161. kick! n/t

[greenmutha]

162. Bunch of good stuff tonight, Al!

Countdown, CNN, and let's not forget the stories on MSM (ABC, CBS, NBC) about the "election irregularities" in the Ukraine, prompting Peter Jennings to say: "Bush urges Ukrainian leader not to certify election results!"

I was watching Brokaw. He intro'd the story with something to the effect of (not exact quote because I was too busy to write it down at the time) "Widespread accusations of fraud, suppression of voters, long lines and a country deeply divided. Sound familiar? It happened during the Ukranian Election..."

(Hmnnnn...)

[greenmutha]

163. kick! n/t

[Lil]

164. Kicking for Happy Thanksgiving!

[Lil]

166. Come on backlash!

[ailsagirl]

165. Do you have this one??

It's a "fraud update" site-- you probably do but in case you don't, I'm putting a link here:

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=980

(Its newest batch of stories says NM went to Dub. I don't believe it!! grrrrr....)

[Leilani]

167. On C-Span last nite... 3 Network News Presidents ar a forum

they didn't mention vote fraud, but when it came time for questions from the audience, they got a few about vote fraud, & why aren't the MSM covering the story?

They scoffed, said there were a FEW irregularities, nothing that would matter.

A few of the questioners were insistent; the Prez of ABC News said they had a whole team of investigative journalists ready to cover voting problems; their work had started 3 months prior to election.
He said there was no there there, that they love a good story, they were ready, it didn't happen.

All 3 were in agreement.

So this is what the media believes, or they are covering up.

Off topic: were also questioned about 9/11, stories not covered, conspiracies, etc. They laughed.

[Lil]

169. kick

[pat_k]

172. Here's the type of letter I've been writing in response to the scoffing...

see second post here

[Lil]

168. Jesse Jackson -Sunday rally -investigation of election irregularities - OH

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2614285

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson said he plans a Sunday rally in Columbus with ministers from around Ohio to call for an investigation of election irregularities in the state.

Jackson and his Rainbow/PUSH Coalition civil rights group want to call attention to the fact that votes in Ohio are still undergoing the official count, he said Thursday. Jackson also is questioning whether enough voting machines were provided in inner-city precincts and whether fraud could have occurred in counties that use electronic machines without paper records of ballots.

President Bush beat Democrat John Kerry in Ohio by about 136,000 votes, according to the unofficial tally. Kerry conceded there were not enough outstanding votes to sway the election his way. Counties have until Dec. 1 to complete their official counts, including verification of 155,337 provisional ballots cast in the state.

[Roger_Otip]

170. POSITIVE: Michael Meacher MP in the New Statesman (UK)

http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200411290018

Did Dubbya rig the election?
Michael Meacher
Monday 29th November 2004
New Statesman
http://www.newstatesman.com/

(dubya gets an extra b over here is britain)
this is a good development. the new statesman does not have a huge circulation, but it is likely to reach the attention of editors of the guardian, the independent and the bbc and perhaps a number of politicians. michael meacher does have a reputation as a conspiracy nut after he wrote a contraversial article on how 9/11 served the interests of the bush administration and how their incompetenece in preventing it made it hard to believe they didn't allow it to happen (not quite suggesting that their was a conspiracy), but he is a long serving member of parliament, ex-minister and because of who he is he can get articles like this in the british press. if britain picks this story up then it will be much harder for the american main stream media to continue ignoring it.

[NicRic]

171. I'm STILL WAITING AND NOT PATIENTLY !!!! n/t

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[greenmutha]

173. kick! n/t

[Lil]

174. Validate the vote - OpEd in Baltimore Sun

Reposted from:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x80768>

Validate the vote - by Ian H. Solomon (Associate Dean of Yale Law School)
November 26, 2004

MOST MAINSTREAM newspapers have already dismissed stories of voting fraud and voting rights violations in the November election as baseless or irrelevant. Sen. John Kerry's concession is supposed to demonstrate that there is no story here. Give up, go home, it's all over. But it's not over.

We would like to believe that voting irregularities were identified and corrected, that participants fulfilled their duties appropriately, that the machines performed reliably and that the total discrepancy between voter intention and recorded results was less than the margin of victory in relevant contests. But that conclusion must be reached on the basis of evidence, not blind faith.

Disturbingly, several Web sites have demonstrated the ease of hacking into the AccuVote TS machines made by Diebold Election Systems, the company that for $2.6 million recently settled a lawsuit by California over voting machine problems. Another major manufacturer of electronic voting machines, Election Systems & Software, has also been subject to criticism for machine breakdowns and vulnerability. There is no evidence of fraud, but neither manufacturer has assuaged widespread concerns about inappropriate partisanship and unreliability.

American legitimacy demands that the news media, the parties and all political leaders take seriously the challenges presented by the 2004 election: We need an audit of the election process, validation of the election results and corrective measures to ensure the legitimacy of future elections. To begin with, that means supporting the audit efforts already under way.... This should be a priority for Congress, with vigilant participation by independent news organizations. The complete process - from registration through vote tallying, including all equipment and procedures - must be thoroughly and publicly assessed. No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.el... requires registration. See link at DU post at :
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x80768>

[IndyOp]

175. Temple Math Prof: "Final Tallies Minus Exit Polls - A Statistical Mystery!

JOHN ALLEN PAULOS, Professor of Mathematics at Temple, published an OpEd in the Philadelphia Inquirer on 11/24/04 entitled, "Final Tallies Minus Exit Polls = A Statistical Mystery!". He has two strong statements: "Since exit polls historically have been quite accurate, and the differences as likely to have been in one candidate's favor as the other's, we're confronted with the question of what caused them. Given the indefensible withholding of the full exit-poll data by Edison Media Research, Mitofsky International, the Associated Press and various networks, we can only hazard guesses based on what was available election night. The obvious speculation, alluded to above, is that the exit samples were decidedly nonrandom." and "Absent any proof or compelling reasons for the differences between the final tallies and the exit polls in the swing states, I DON"T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE GROSS DISCREPANCIES ARE BEING SO WIDELY SHRUGGED OFF."

Link to the article: < http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/exit.html >

You might email him to thank him for speaking out and to encourage him to publish this in the New York Times. His book 'Innumeracy' was on NY Times bestseller list for 18 weeks - they might just print an OpEd by him...

John Allen Paulos
[e-mail]

[Lil]

176. kick for the night team

[IndyOp]

177. Kick

:kick:

[IndyOp]

178. The Right to Vote by Jesse Jackson, Sr.

Four years after the vote scandals of 2000, our system of voting remains a disgrace. Faulty machines that provide no paper record to check, obscure obstacles to registration, partisan state election officials using their office to exclude voters, millions of votes uncounted, millions more citizens stripped of the right to vote – the evidence of systemic malfunction is overwhelming. When international officials say that America’s election system is so backward that it can’t even be monitored effectively, we know we are in trouble.

The trouble starts at the foundation. Americans have no right to vote for president. I know that sounds crazy, even un-American. We are the oldest constitutional democracy on the face of the earth, so we assume we have the right to vote.

Not. Our Constitution prohibits discrimination in voting on the basis of race or gender, and gives 18 year-olds the right to vote. But it has no clause guaranteeing citizens the right to vote for federal officials. We’re writing constitutions that provide that right in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it does not exist in the U.S. 108 countries have the right to vote in their constitutions, but not the United States.

<http://www.rainbowpush.org/FMPro?-db=rpodata.fp5&-format=rainbowpush%2fdata%2fdetailcommentary.htm&-lay=main&-sortfield=date&-sortorder=descend&category=commentary&year=2004&-max=20&-recid=33130&-find=>

[Jo March]

179. Kick

nt

[saracat]

180. Positive Aaron Brown and Bev Harris CNN

[Senator]

181. POSTIVE-ly Required

We MUST change the FRAME of the issue.

We can cut the anti-democracy propagandists off at the knees.

The current frame is:

"Move along now. We've got our "ofishyl" vote count - you have to prove a crime was committed or you'll be ignored."

The NEW FRAME is:

"Your vote-counts are demonstrably false (not just uncertain), demostrably discriminatory (unlawful), both racially and in favor of bush voters.

"You must provide a transparent audit of your election procedures, failures, and data of all kinds OR WE INTEND TO DEMAND that your state's electors be DISALLOWED on Jan. 6th in Congress."

This new frame must be propogated amongst ourselves first. The short version is that "they have the burden of proof." And this goes for ALL states, not just swingers. They boosted totals everywhere to manufacture the pop-vote propaganda tool.

We must convince, first ourselves, then our supposed "leaders" and allies, of the Constitutional Right we have (equal protection - Bush v. Gore, heh) to demand this proof. And put our leaders on notice that they HAVE THE DUTY to support us in this. It is not optional.

Please watch my diary at dKos, as I will soon be posting a "Declaration of Intention" document that we will be attempting to get signed by ALL Members of Congress.

[Trahurn]

182. Let Me Tell You Something About Jennings

I saw a recent production in where Peter Jennings narrated a new documentary meant to actually show Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Of course he conveniently left out certain things that proved Oswald could not have acted alone but the point here is Jennings is a revisionist. He seems to think nothing of changing history if he can get credit for it. I used to think he was one of the major heavyweights of American journalism but he too has his own agenda which clearly is not the factual reporting of events as they happen in the US.

[propagandafreegal]

189. Peter Jennings is irrelevant to me

I started detesting him when he, in a patronizing tone said that election fraud was 'conspiracy theory' and not based in reality.

[ruthg]

190. and he says the word "about" strangely

Ruth, running fast from any Canadians who might be <cough> about.

[IndyOp]

183. Kick

:kick:

[IndyOp]

184. Recount in Ohio by Jules Witcover

Posted by sunnystar in another thread...

Recount in Ohio
an OpEd by Jules Witcover
Originally published Nov 26, 2004 in the Baltimore Sun
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WASHINGTON - The presidential election is over and Sen. John Kerry has conceded defeat, but the wheels are nevertheless in motion in Ohio for a recount in the state that put President Bush over the top.

The recount is being pressed even though the Kerry campaign has no hope or expectation of reversing the result. As of election night, the president carried Ohio by more than enough to avoid a mandatory retabulating of the votes.

The tally gave Mr. Bush 51.1 percent to Mr. Kerry's 48.5 percent, far in excess of the one-quarter of 1 percent winning margin that under state law would require a recount. But the law also stipulates that any bona fide candidate may trigger one by requesting it and putting up the necessary funds, at $10 a precinct, to pay for it in each of the state's 11,360 precincts in 88 counties.

Enter David Cobb, the also-ran nominee of the Green Party, and Michael Badnarik, the certified standard-bearer of the Libertarian Party. Together, their supporters have raised more than the $113,600 required. They have petitioned Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who also happened to be a co-chairman of the Bush campaign in the state, to order the recount.

Before it can take place, however, the actual statewide vote count, including all accepted provisional ballots, must be tallied. According to James Lee, of Mr. Blackwell's office, his boss under Ohio law has until Dec. 3 to certify the outcome, at which time he can then start the recount. Elected members of the Electoral College are to meet Dec. 13 in their various states, but the new Congress will not convene to receive and verify the results until Jan. 6.

<http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.witcover26nov26,0,1404210.column?coll=bal-oped-headlines>

[dzika]

185. Village Voice - "...the media are ignoring the stories..."

This article was published in the Village Voice (last story on the page)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0447/murphy.php

<snip>
"If you think the media are ignoring stories about flaws in the presidential election, you are not alone. Letters to the Voice charge that the media (including this newspaper) have prematurely dismissed reports of polling problems. Electronic-voting critic Bev Harris claims there's a "lockdown" on reporting the story. "

"At the heart of the matter in Ohio, two reporters at the Cleveland Plain Dealer say there is a little newsroom griping over whether the paper has been doing enough. The Dealer has run pieces on discrepancies in vote reports and long waits at the local polls. "

"Other election stories lurk. Outside Ohio, a few outlets are paying attention to a statistical study from the University of California at Berkeley that finds an odd relationship between electronic voting and votes for Bush in Florida: The presence of touch-screen voting correlated with an increase in the Bush total from 2000 to 2004. And inside Ohio, third-party candidates say they'll pay for a recount once the official tally is done around December 1. The vote is still out on whether the rest of the media will notice. "

[dzika]

186. The Moscow Times - Bush wins with "fraud-marred majority"

The story just mentions election fraud in passing. The writer takes the fact fraud exists in the US Presidential elections for granted.

The Moscow Times
Friday November 6, 2004

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2004/11/26/120.html

-snip-
"There has been much throwing about of brains on the subject of
George W. Bush's further lurch to the Right since he limped over the
election finish line with his tiny, 1 percent, fraud-marred
majority. "

[IndyOp]

187. SF Chron Front Page Story!

Skepticism spawns broad effort to push voting reform

Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, November 28, 2004

The 2004 election -- arguably the most scrutinized ever held in the United States -- has spotlighted problems with the voting process that are decades old and long overlooked.

Voter intimidation, disenfranchisement, fairness, partisanship of election officials and several other issues are getting the most attention in Ohio, where two lawsuits were filed Friday contesting the counting of provisional ballots and the overall results. But it is citizen groups and individual voters rather than political candidates or parties that are demanding that the problems be addressed.

(and it continues...)

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/28/MNGQ4A2RLK1.DTL>

[Fiendish Thingy]

194. kick- this was on the front page of the print edition too

although below the fold...still good news, from no coverage to front page, woo hoo!

[WiseFawn]

188. VERY POSITIVE!!!!

I-Team 8 has been doing a series on their news about all of the voting problems. Complete with demonstrations. Many stories there to click on and view. Will Your Vote Count? They are in Indiana. They even had undegraduates put together a rigged election in half an hours time.

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=49590&nav=LymHKrIq

[texpatriot2004]

191. Channel 8 WISHTV - this is a great page

It looks like they have put together a great page with lots of pieces to the puzzle.

[texpatriot2004]

192. kick

[texpatriot2004]

193. change is gonna come

[TalkingDog]

195. Neutral: WCNC: Charlotte NC

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-112404-al-g...

So you won't have to register:
Nov. 24th

GASTONIA, N.C. -- Gaston County Elections Director Sandra Page is taking a medical leave of absence until at least the start of the new year.

Page has been struggling to answer a growing list of questions about her management of the elections office.

The announcement came after Page walked out of an interview with Don Wright, general counsel of the state Board of Elections, who opened an investigation Monday into problems with the county's handling of the November second election.

On Tuesday, Wright asked why Page violated a direct order by opening several e-mails on her computer on Monday.

Page said she was "not trying to hide anything" and that she was making what she called "stupid mistakes."

Page left the interview and went to her private office. After she remained inside with her personal attorney for almost 30 minutes, she walked to her car and drove away. The lawyer said afterward that Page was headed to a doctor's appointment.

Nov. 23

GASTONIA -- An attorney for the state Board of Elections said uncounted votes and votes counted twice during the election in Gaston County is a mess the board is determined to get to the bottom of and find out what went wrong.

Investigators with the state Board of Elections were inside a Gaston County office all day Monday. They began their work of sorting through several mistakes, which the director of the office cannot fully explain as her work of certifying election results is under fire.

>snip

“There should be an answer to everything, but as to whether we can find an answer or whether it's possible, that's one of the elements that we would have to study,” said investigator Don Wright.

Wright and other investigators want to know why Gaston County did not include more than 13,000 votes in its initial tally. They also want to know why 29 precincts did not have the same number of votes as voters and why a state ordered recount came up with 75 more votes than originally counted.

“They had no idea that all of these problems had occurred until well after the election,” said The Charlotte Observer reporter Benyamin Applebaum.

The Observer was the first to discover a problem at more than half of Gaston County’s 46 precincts. Applebaum pointed the errors out to Page.

“I just keep saying why didn't I see that? I mean I'm just astounded with myself that I did not notice that,” Page said.

State investigators are asking the same questions. No one is saying how long it will be before the answers are revealed.

[Lil]

196. Al, Is this thread still on "kick" status? thanks. n/t

[althecat]

201. It never really needed kicking.. just adding new news links... :)

Dear Lil,

It never really needed kicking.. just adding new news links... so reporters like me can find out what has been going on if we miss the boards for a couple of days. Like Eloriel's compendium only confined to MSM media threads.

It is more a resource thread than an activity thread.

Al

[osaMABUSh]

197. CNN.com link 11/29/04 "Challenges to Ohio ballots mount"

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/29/ohio.vote.ap/index.html

[dzika]

198. Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/29/state1956EST0121.DTL

Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada

SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer
Monday, November 29, 2004

-snip-
A judge intends to decide Tuesday whether to allow a legal
challenge to move forward aimed at blocking Nevada's five
electoral votes from being cast next month for President
Bush.

Washoe County District Judge Peter Breen said Monday he's
considering setting an evidentiary hearing to determine
whether there are grounds to keep the votes from Bush -- who
carried Nevada by 21,500 votes -- due to allegations of voter
registration fraud and claims some voting machines
malfunctioned.

-snip-
"President Bush is claiming he has a mandate and included in
that is that the state of Nevada stood behind him. Even if
Nevada's five electoral votes will not change the election, it
does have an impact on whether Nevada is part of that
mandate," Dickerson said.

`If there are disenfranchised voters who were illegally
disenfranchised ... then those voters are not having their
will voiced," he said.

[Lil]

200. Kick for the Backlash