Should we tell Michael Moore what's up?

[helderheid]

From his website:


Wassup?
Saturday, April 16th, 2005

Friends,

How's it going? Ready for the next step?

Let me know what you've been up to and any ideas you have about what our next move should be (write me at the addresses below).

Meanwhile, I'll be in conclave this week handing out goodie bags and running for pope. Wish me well!

Yours,

Michael Moore
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
www.michaelmoore.com


TIA, want to enlighten him on what happened in 2004 and our next step is to prevent it from happening again in 2006???

[Vincardog]

1. Please educate him on BBV and Vote Fraud and let him tell the world

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. I can't imagine why his next film WOULDN'T be about the stolen

election of 2004.

[helderheid]

3. He's hinted about that

but not in a LONG time. I forwarded to him the letter I sent George Galloway.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. I'm about to log off, but I'll contact him later this evening.

[helderheid]

8. just a reminder

:)

[Peace Patriot]

5. "Fahrenheit 11/2"! n/t

[helderheid]

9. PERFECT

[helderheid]

10. thought the same title

[Stevepol]

6. For what it's worth here's my email to Sir Michael.

Mike,

A Democratic Underground post indicates you're looking for ideas for your next venture.

That venture should be an investigation into the electronic voting scam, the biggest political scam and con game in American history and probably in world history. What kept you from doing a movie on this before I can't understand.

I know your 911 film was highly successful, and I was quite amused by it, but I predicted at the time, as did many others who were aware of the voting machine fraud that now characterizes all US elections, that your film would not affect the outcome of the election one whit.

Your film I'm sure increased Kerry's vote and probably by quite a lot, but the machine result was pre-ordained and pre-set well before your film.

Kerry actually won the election by over 3% and probably more than 4%. I have not the slightest doubt that Kerry won Ohio and I suspect he won FL as well. If you haven't availed yoursellf of the opportunity to look over Freeman, et al's stuff and the latest USCountVotes monograph released today, May 19 (which pretty well refutes the Edison-Mytofsky claims as to why their own exit polls were inaccurate), for God's sake avail yourself.

I personally think God is back of all this. Why else would intelligent people like yourself (you seem quite rational the times I've seen you on TV and you don't seem to dispute obvious facts, at least you haven't done so at any time I've seen you on TV), why would you and other apparently intelligent folks not see what is so transparent as to be as clear, to resort to an idiom, "as the nose on your face," that the results of the 04 election were mis-represented by the electronic voting machines, in particular the central tabulators, in other words, that the 04 election was a transparent fraud?

I know others have claimed that it is highly unlikely that this kind of fraud would happen on so large a scale, but I would beg to differ. These "dirty tricks," ala Rove or Diebold (or Jeffrey Dean) would have been quite easy to bring off using a very small number of conspirators, no more than 50 I would suspect. In the first place, nothing extraordinary would have had to have been done in most states since the machines are pretty clearly "programmed" with a Republican bias. When that bias isn't sufficient to achieve a victory, then hacking and patching, etc., can easily be used, as demonstreated repeatedly by Bev Harris. The possibility of this happening is admitted to by probably every computer scientist in the country, certainly any computer scientist who has looked into the tabulators and the DREs.

I doubt you will do anything about this and you will probably do your next film on something quite amusing and I along with others will go see it or perhaps wait for it to appear on DVD and see it. I applaud you ahead of time on your cinematic success. However, unless you or somebody begins to make people aware of the machine fraud, it won't make one whit's difference at the polls.

My best,

Steve Carter, PhD (English), MA (psychology)

[helderheid]

7. BRAVO!!

Wow - that was fantastic!

[Amaryllis]

11. Excellent. I have written him many times on this issue. So have others. Al

Franken is another; how can they possibly not know when they have their fingers on the pulse of so much alternative news?

[Bushfire]

16. They both know of the peril of BBV

one of them DOES take it seriously (MM who nominated an anti-BBV website as his link of the wink over a year ago), and the other who hasn't mentioned much about it while he has the airways. They both received a stack of Salon articles written on the subject from yours truly on their last book tours respectively.

[KaliTracy]

12. Stolen Election (my letter which I sent to him at the end of April)

Mike:

You asked -- and I'm going to have to say I'm ready for something to come out about the 2004 election -- something that may not turn over the people who grabbed power and make Kerry president, but which will alert regular citizens who shrug their shoulders and say "Yeah, shit happens, what can we do about it?" to realize THEY have the power to ensure something like this never happens again.

Start with Boxer and Tubbs-Jones standing up for democracy on January 6th -- Get NPR reports that called the "few protestors" sore losers on the day of and after. Find out exactly how many Phone calls, faxes, emails were sent to the House and Senate protesting the election because, contrary to what was reported on NPR (Morning Edition and probably All Things Considered as well) -- it wasn't just a burr up Boxer's butt that made her (or made others) do this -- thousands, if not tens of thousands of people tried to make our voice heard. Many of us thanked a whole list of people at

http://www.thankyoupatriot.com/

But -- you may say, there isn't any proof -- there isn't anything you can do with the footage you and your videographers got of Florida and Ohio. There just isn't enough to grab people because proof is so very hard to come by, and you can't flash Graphs to them all night... Ok -- I agree. But the "Bush's Brain" documentary (which I only recently viewed) was enough to make me wonder how the HELL did some of these people get into the positions they are in today. Smoking gun...no, not yet. Individual people just carrying out their own agenda.... perhaps. But 99.XX% of computer anomalies going in Bush's favor is Odd.. Other problems throughout the day, and uncovered by the GreenParty Recount process were Odd ( http://www.votecobb.org/ ). Turnout numbers of over 90% in Bush-leaning precincts who never had a turnout that high were Odd. A BOE in Warren County Ohio has a Highly Elevated Alert and Locks Down the entire initial tabulation process. Odd. People who go there later (after the recount) to look at the poll books find pages ripped out, and signatures that are obviously not signatures at all. Odd. (A friend of mine has some video of this) . You can't tell me that there isn't some sort of story here.

Here is information on Ohio which was used at a conference in Nashville a few weeks ago. http://www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html and of course, there is New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Florida and others who had massive problems, as well.

I wrote you directly after the election because of Machine Disparity in Ohio (I was in a "privileged" neighborhood, punch card machines out the ying/yang and as far as I know not more that a 10-15 minute wait in my precinct -- I am still a minority in a slew of Viva Bush stickers). In any case, this little detail (which just so happens to be one of the main focuses of The Democratic Judicial Committee's Report "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio" ( http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf )-- and the reason Boxer Tubbs-Jones, et al contested the electoral vote, because we can SEE the lines -- (though admittedly, probably not enough 'printable' footage of this).

How the Hell does a president get re-elected with over 3million "popular votes" and still have the LOWEST approval record ever, immediately after the election, as well as Today?

America is in deep shit if something doesn't happen to wake up the people AND the friggin' Media. The Akron Beacon has been one newspaper willing to write about some of this stuff. And, a Main Stream Journalist went to Nashville and was blown away by the numbers and recently has written some articles found here:

http://www.CommonWonders.com

Yes -- there are weird side stories to all of this mess -- Clint Curtis, Lemming, etc. (you can catch up on these at http://www.bradblog.com if you are so inclined)-- and I have to be honest -- I don't know where I stand on these side issues. But I DO know that something is not right with our election process -- that the "legislation" being proposed is NOT going to guarantee that every person's vote counts -- that unless we have a fair and equitable way of determining machine allocation and do random audits of several precincts directly after the election, that nothing will change.

I understand the taboo against this topic -- but yet, if it isn't investigated and there WAS something there....well.....

Ok -- maybe it isn't documentary material -- I don't know. But it IS important. (well, you asked.)

Hope your work about the drug companies is going well.

Kind Regards.

Tracy XXXX



http://www.stophighstakestests.org

[kster]

14. It will come out

but this time we have to get the story out there by ourselves,we can't look to our leaders to get it done,we have to lead, us we the people.The leaders are giving us a "tough love" lesson here, we are not going to hear from them unless we prove that we can keep this story out there,with or without the corporate media.

Like when we invaded Iraq we sent Military Leaders and our Troops to the border of Iraq,We would not expect the military leaders to go in and take the country on their own, would we? No, that would be silly they would be out numbered,so we sent the troops in to take the country and the Military Leaders kept leading.The troops sure took that country in a hurry,WHY? Because they did not look to the leaders to get the job done.

In this case we are the Troops,quit looking to the leaders. We have to lead.I think of this as the SILENT REVOLUTION, corporate media and the repugs can't say nothing because no one is complaining,Dem leaders wont say nothing because the troops (us) would only get drowned out.

Keep moving this story to the people,and soon the media will be the only ones NOT talking about the election theft and then I will be :rofl: ...NGU

[garybeck]

13. We've all sent so many emails to Michael, if he doesn't know...

what's up, he's been ignoring us consciously.

but it can't hurt to remind him :)

[iconoclastNYC]

15. the thing about m. moore is

hey really does need to be careful what he says. he is the most dangerous man in america to the powers that be.