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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:31 AM
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contact jerry springer
he was the ohio democrat of the year, yet he has no idea about bbv. he just had a caller that talked about a receipt, and jerry was saying, i don't get that, what do you do with it after you leave the polls, etc. clueless, freaking clueless.
here is my e-mail to him. he tries not to piss off conservatives, and a lot of them listen to his show. educate this man.

jerry,
wake up. how can you be the ohio democrat of the year and not understand about vote fraud???
there is a lot to understand about this issue. your caller does not really know, either.
here is what we need- not a receipt, not a paper trail. a PAPER BALLOT. PERIOD.
paper trail does not have the same legal weight as a paper ballot. the receipt thing is wrong. there is no receipt that the voter takes with them. the idea is a paper printout of the votes from a touch screen that is presented under glass for the voter to verify, that then goes into a secure box for later audit. this is the bare minimum that we should have. there are many places, like nevada, that have this system. but this in not legally the same as a paper ballot. but it is better than voting into a corporate owned black box, with secret programming, used because election officials are bribed and pressured.
if you want to educate yourself about this issue, go here, and talk to the people who have been trying to get to the bottom of this issue since nov 3.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:37 AM
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1. We should have someone post on his site and POUND this
into his friggin head. He is always so CLUELESS and behind the curve.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:40 AM
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2. I agree with him, a paper receipt ALONE is no solution.
That was what I thought his point was.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:45 AM
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3. my point
was that he didn't seem to have any idea what the whole thing was about. ohio democrat of the year? :wtf:
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:10 PM
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4. I will send him my letter to my county about it. Posted bellow for comment
Edited on Fri May-20-05 12:10 PM by libertypirate
DRAFT

Dear County Supervisor XXXXXXX,

I am writing you today to ask that you not purchase electronic voting equipment. It is both a treacherous and costly endeavor to utilize any type of electronic voting system. As a mechanism used to count our vote these machines are overly complex and quite frankly a complete waste of resources. I am not sure how you have equated your cost benefit ratios but in no way can a paper ballot cost even 10% of the initial cost of the electronic equipment. You are wasting people’s hard earned money and I want you to make that a priority.

When I say “waste resources” I am referring to both the cost to purchase this equipment and pay annual installments the vendor will charge for updates and maintenance.

How does a piece of paper malfunction, cost more each year, or worse of all, never exist? We could even vote if the lights were out, not the case with the equipment. These systems do nothing to ensure democracy; and they could be used to prevent it. A couple of studies of the U.S. Electronic Incident Reporting System (EIRS) database (for the 2004 presidential election) show that votes were switched in front of the eyes of the voters from John Kerry to George Bush by a ratio of 12:1. This has been well documented, as were other problems with these systems.

They have no way of accounting their electronic results, even if they add a receipt. What is the difference if you remove the equipment and just print the names on a long form page and instruct voters to fill in the bubble?

Personally I don’t trust these machines as you could likely tell. I am a software developer, which is how I pay my part of the taxes that will go to the purchase of this equipment. If I am writing a program I don’t add extra instructions into my work. It is common among the programming community to try and not be redundant and to keep things concise. It would take me a couple of thousand lines of programming code to build what I saw on Election Day. There are some 100,000 lines of code to run this equipment I can’t see any benefit to paying application developers to write so many extra lines of code. There is no way to tell what these machines are actually doing because there is no way to account for what that many lines of instructions are intended to do.

I don’t want to make this hard on you but I want to be direct. These machines are not worth what you are about to pay for them. To tell you the truth I would rather see improvements to the schools, or other services then waste so much and get so little actual value for it. A piece of paper is better, it’s easier to deal with, it’s simpler to manage, and in no way prevent actual auditing the results. I want you to be a hero and not end up stung in the end. I am not sure the machines actually address the will of the people, which is scary to me as a citizen of a democracy. The paper won’t lie, and we can mark it with flashlights in the dark if need be.

I want to give you one other reason why paper is better for democracy. When I go to vote, as silly as it sounds that is my ballot, my voice, I get to hold it for one short period of time. It’s my ballot, it exists, I marked it, and it’s not just some number in a computer that I the voter cannot trace. This is important to me as a voter to know that my vote exists and can be counted.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:26 PM
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5. whats his email addy?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:16 PM
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7. I just sent it to his Executive Producer
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:32 PM
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6. I've been writing his show three or four times weekly...
...explaining election fraud.

Nearly every day, he says that the only way to fight back is "to hold them accountable and vote these people out of office on election day."

I keep telling him that we've already held them accountable and we DID vote them out of office...now what?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:54 PM
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8. ROFL and jerking/twitching ----------- LOL
Edited on Fri May-20-05 02:54 PM by FogerRox
love it---"now what?"
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