***NY SENATE RACE FLIPPING TO DEM IN RECOUNT!!!***

[TorchTheWitch]

Originally posted here with boring subject line so it wasn't getting the attention it deserved...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x36777

Two BIG things about this:

1) Senate race recount is flipping to Dem so we may pick up a Dem Senate seat
2) The recount is due to MACHINE VOTE TAMPERING

Brief summary... Senate race. Dem is Stewart-Cousins. Rep is Spano. Spano won the election. A recount is being done as there were more Dem votes in the machines then were recorded during the election. The Dem is now winning in the recount. We may get a Senate seat to flip to a Dem. AND we have a recount in progress due to machine vote tampering that should set a precedent for the whole 2004 election.

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/3902820/detail.html

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"The two sides have traded allegations about irregularities in the voting, with Republicans claiming voters were imported from New York City and Democrats claiming voters were harassed and voting machines were tampered with. All machines and records were impounded by judges.

The county Board of Elections disclosed Friday that seals on 22 machines were damaged or missing.

As the recount progressed on Monday, election workers, closely watched by representatives of the campaigns, compared vote totals recorded on machines with the tallies reported by poll workers on Election Night.

Jonathan Rosen, director of the state Democrats' campaign committee, said Berger told him that nearly every machine had a higher count for Stewart-Cousins than was recorded. However, Spano also gained votes, including 80 from one machine, Rosen said."

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Even if the Dem doesn't end up winning in the recount, this is still good news as it sets a precedent... the machines are either fucked up or the RePukes have been fondling them!

Shame on me for reposting this with some bells and whistles in the subject line, but it's too important to drop like a rock.

On Edit: fixed link

[FW_]

1. State Senate right?

NY has 2 Dem Senators in DC in Clinton and the other guy right?

[russian33]

4. Yeah, Schummer won by a landslide, so this is state senate

[freedom_to_read]

5. yes

for the record, the "other guy" is Schumer. good guy, too.

[FW_]

7. Schumer that's right

Sorry, didn't remember his name. I'm still bummed that Florida is no longer 2 Dems in DC.

[fryguy]

13. very good guy

and very much hated by the NRA and Repukes in general

[freedom_to_read]

2. ummm sorry to burst your bubble a little

but it's a state senate race. still, here's hoping ...

[TorchTheWitch]

14. well, the senate race wasn't really my point

Although any seat anywhere getting a Dem butt in it is good news. It's the machine vote tampering precedent being set. Nobody seemed to give a crap about the vote tampering precendent with the previous boring subject line.

Shameless of me, I know.

[Helga Scow Stern]

3. Woohoo!!!!!

This could really help! Thanks ancestors!

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

6. Nick Spano needs to go! so Yonkers can breathe!

He has been getting fat off the land for far too long. I am sick of him, thank god for Andrea-Stewart Cousins, I voted for her, and I know i n my heart she won. Hopefully she can do something to fix the ailing Yonkers school system.

[On the Road]

8. That'll Get "Machine Tampering" on the News

That's almost as good as the flip. It's no longer a conspiracy theory -- it's changed the offiical outcome of a race. Could be the tip of the iceberg.

[Carl Brennan]

34. BIIIINGO!! You stole the words out of my mouth, but

that's OK. This is setting a precedent for getting seats changed due to machine tampering. A very important though small victory.

[hippiegranny]

9. this is GOOD news

on many levels - the highest level being that this issue raises the bar for the Pukes to prove it didn't happen elsewhere. This can open the door for numerous challenges. Has this made the media yet? They can't ignore something like this - it's big.

[troubleinwinter]

10. NY STATE Senate, not US Senate.

[AgadorSparticus]

11. holy shit! i was thinking this just last night and started a thread on

the credibility of congressional election results. hot damn!!!

[fryguy]

12. note: schumer won re-election in a landslide

that said, picking up an extra New York State Senator would be nice

[Boredtodeath]

15. What kind of voting machine is this?

The article doesn't say!

[Matariki]

24. Just tried calling

Tried to call Westchester County Board of Elections to find out. When I asked what sort of machines were used in the 35th district election, a *very* exasperated operator said 'hold on a second' and cut the connection.

If anyone else wants to try, here's the number: 914 995-5700

[batchdem04]

27. This says Lever?

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?topic_string=5std&state=new+york&county=Westchester

Westchester County Detail:

Voting Technology: Lever
Vendor: Automatic Voting Machine (AVM)
Data Source: electionline.org
Last Verified: 4-Aug

[Matariki]

29. Lever machines?

Anyone know how these work? This seems odd since the article says that one or some of the machines were 'preloaded' with republican votes and that there were more votes in the machine than was being recorded. That made me assume they were computerized. There's a frustrating lack of information in the press.

[Boredtodeath]

30. Preloading is possible

Lever machines = big machine, voter pushes buttons for candidate, then pulls a very large lever (hence the name) which records the votes. Precursor to electronic voting and infamous for preloaded hackability.

[Matariki]

16. New York Times Article about this

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/nyregion/06spano.html

most new articles about this are conspicuously NOT mentioning the reason for the recount and the reason the Democrats votes weren't counted in the first place. Few are mentioning the broken seals on many machines which might indicate tampering. I wonder why?

[IdaBriggs]

17. Wow. THIS is what democracy looks like! (smile) nt

[Carl Brennan]

35. Yes, and you have to be smiling considering all the work

You've been doing on this. This is very, very good. We need a victory.

[seemslikeadream]

18. SEND THIS TO PETER JENNINGS

http://abcnews.go.com/Reference/story?id=54216

He thinks it's all a conspiracy theory

[Matariki]

20. Verification

It'd be great if someone could contact the election board in Yonkers and ask what sort of machines they were using. I can't do it from work.

[jean]

32. There are three people who have the info

- but they were all unavailable today and I didn't leave messages.

By phone

• Joan Deierlein [phone] - Yonkers City Clerk, out of the office until this Friday
  
  
• Westchester Bd of Election inspectors:
  Tina Osika (Democrats) [phone]
  Marylou Schwartz (Republicans) [phone]
  

Online

• Westchester Board of Elections
  http://www.co.westchester.ny.us/boe/
  
  
• Verified Voting: Election equipment for Westchester Co, NY
  http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?topic_string=5std&state=new+york&county=Westchester
  
  Westchester County Detail:
  
  Voting Technology: Lever
  Vendor: Automatic Voting Machine (AVM)
  Data Source: electionline.org
  Last Verified: 4-Aug
  
  
  
• Electionline.org - voting system used - Yonkers, NY
  http://www.electionline.org/interactiveMap_result.jsp?state=NY&stateText=New%20York&topicText=Voting%20System%20Used&topic_string=22:votingsystemtypemain
  
  Yonkers
  Main Voting System Type: Lever
  
  

[Carl Brennan]

36. Oh, I love it!! Within days we are shoving back in the corporate whores

face. :bounce:

[Mist]

19. Thanks for posting TTW

To have ANY election change due to exposed counting fraud is HUGE. And sets a precedent. This is part of the good fight.

[jsamuel]

21. THIS IS HARD PROOF - SENT IT OUT - EMAIL!!!

[pbartch]

22. Good deal......another state the Repiglicans tried to win

BY CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matariki]

23. No kidding - along with that video of NY congressman Peter King saying

"we'll take care of the counting"

[spotbird]

25. How soon to the Republican files suit.

If he doesn't then he'll be the first.

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. Wow!

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Have you secured your town and state voting systems yet?
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Liberalynn]

28. I Love NY

There are sometimes when I am so proud of my State! :thumbsup:

We may be stuck with Pataki but then we still have both Hilary and Chuck Shumer! :dem: I have e-mailed them both. They are both great.

[newyawker99]

33. Hi Liberalynn!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sherilocks]

38. Keep on eye on what Pataki is doing

He has plenty of henchman in Westchester County. He's from Peeksksill, also in Westchester County, and uses his old buddies there to keep things in line.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

31. They ripped this from "Law and Order"

Remember when they did an episode after the 2000 election about a state senate race with rigged machines?

[dmac]

37. AMAZING!

Lots of good news out here tonight. It is about time! :party:

[Cronus Protagonist]

39. Drip drip drip

Keep up the good work, people. Don't let the Naderites and GOP operatives discourage you to fight tooth and nail for this election.

It ain't over until the vote is certified and even then, legal challenges may cause a Constitutional crisis, which would be much better than a Bush appointed Supreme Court, fer sure.


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[jsamuel]

40. TOTAL OF 10% PERCENT CHANGE, Kerry would win at least 6 more states

If you notice, the vote swung by 1.5% with only 15% of machines being counted.

THAT IS HUGE!

That means that if the same ratio keeps up, the vote will change a total of 10%!!!!!!!

[Slit Skirt]

41. this is amazing.... maybe precedent setting....

[Unforgiven]

42. This Is Good News

Please keep the thread updated. Thanks for this. :)

[loudsue]

43. Yes!! We need updates!!

This is a GREAT thread, with wonderful news!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Northwestmom4Kerry]

44. I just sent this on to Keith Olbermann

We need to keep him on the story until the other stations pick it up. If he keeps coming up with new info, they won't want to be left out.

Great find!