MSNBC: Judge rules "no fraud" in WA Gov. Election - (VIDEO)

[dzika]

June 6, 2005

Video - MSNBC: Judge rules "no fraud" in WA Gov. Election

A Washington judge rules against Republican Rossi in his challenge to take the 2004 election away from Democratic Governor Gregoire.



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[garybeck]

1. YAY n/t

[MelissaB]

2. Thanks, Dzika!

[LightningFlash]

3. Eh, I'm not too pleased though.

It's fine Gregorie won't have any problems but this fraud is way out of hand, and clearly there was purged votes in washington. To me, democrats and republicans both need to stop conspiring for fraud or else we will never have clean elections.

That's why we really deserve the clear, plexiglass box out where everyone is watching. Not the ridiculous secret code working vote stealer machines.

[mirandapriestly]

4. what do you mean?

that you think there WAS fraud on Gregoire's side?

[LightningFlash]

5. I don't think.

I know there was quite a bit of fraud on both sides mostly due to things like dead people voting, "fixed" purge lists, and good old fashioned vote switches.

I'm just dissapointed in this instance the Judge didn't make a big case out of it, because I thought it might bring more attention to the serious Sequoia based fraud all over Washington that cost several elections. (And, uses secret counting code)

It would have been a boost to me if a few judges were starting to take this vote purging seriously, and holding open trials. If that was the case, we could do a real courtroom re-visit of New Mexico alot quicker where there was so much fraud against the Native Americans it's downright criminal. Plus, it gives a boost to making Sequoia hand over their machine code. That code deserves public inspection.

[Boredtodeath]

6. You're right LF

What really happened here is NOT good for our side.

This judge set the bar of proof out of reach. He clearly came to the decision that no one can ever PROVE fraud from the elections records themselves and the voting machine companies are doing everything in their power to eliminate what proof does exist.

Today's decision in Washington means no election will ever be overturned after a winner is declared because no one can meet the burden of proof.

I was afraid this was coming because the voting machine companies have been so determined to eliminate voter intent.

I'm personally happy that Gregiore "won," but the voters lost in a very big way today.

Let's not forget the real decision of the judge:

Sure, there was fraud in this election, but the law allows it and only the voters can change the law by voting in fraudulent elections.

Boy, did we lose.

[LightningFlash]

7. Sad but true. But the WA lawsuit continues.

[Land Shark]

8. Judge actually said (hard to believe but true)

the Republicans would to connect an illegal voter with a Gregoire vote in order to subtract it.

Judge didn't say that the system is designed not only so that information doesn't exist, but that it's unconstitutional (in WA) to collect that info, at least by the govt, and would in any case invade the voting privilege (privilege not to testify about the content of one's ballot).

I truly wonder if Judge Bridges thought that through or not. His main point was that he just counldn't abide the "arrogance" as finder of fact both (1) determining how many illegal votes there were and then (2) determining what percentage of them to count for or against a certain candidate and then (3) announcing his result. Too much power for one judge. He might be right.

But still...