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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:07 PM
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BREAKING: 47 State Exit Poll Analysis Confirms Swing Anomaly
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 08:17 PM by althecat
This is the first news article published based on new DUer Jonathan Simon's new data.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36314&mesg_id=36314
It was refused from LBN for which I will have a grumble below..... if you are a mod could you please raise this issue with Skinner. The rule seems unfair when applied to us and not similar publications like for example slate or theregister.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

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47 State Exit Poll Analysis Confirms Swing Anomaly


By Jonathan Simon
Introduction by Scoop Co-Editor Alastair Thompson


" In the 12 critical states (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5% red shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states. "
- Jonathan Simon

- JUMP STRAIGHT TO THE NEW DATA


Introduction by Scoop Co-Editor Alastair Thompson

By the time of the close of polls at around 5pm EST on election day the buzz on the world wide web – including here at Scoop - was that Kerry had was a shoe in for election 2004. Slate Magazine and the Daily Kos had published the swing state exit polls before the polls had even closed. The news was very good for Kerry supporters.

According to the exit polls Kerry was showing a 1% popular vote margin over Bush. But more importantly he was shown leading by a nose in Florida and a solid 4% in Ohio. Because of the way the Electoral College system works this meant that he had almost certainly won.

The polls have significant sized samples in all states and ask actual voters who they actually voted for and so are traditionally very accurate.

As we now know they weren't very accurate once midnight came and went.

Or were they?

On November 4 (NZT – Nov. 3 EST) Scoop published Faun Otter: Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals. This was the first exit poll comparison analysis produced on the web it originated in the Democratic Underground, a forum website, for Democratic Party activism and the clubhouse for a lot of people doing grassroots research work.

Faun Otter's data - <a href=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._Election_controversies_and_irregularities#Evidence_of_electronic_voting_bias |already immortalised in the Wikipedia (with a link to Scoop.co.nz)] - showed swing states moving far further on average from their exit poll results than non-swing states after the polls closed. I.E. the actual result for these states was more at variance with the exit polls than it was in other states.

Alarm bells rang at this point because it has always been postulated that looking at exit poll results after a stolen election would be the best way to look for "general" evidence of voting fraud. By general evidence I mean evidence that suggests fraud has occurred – not proof that it has.

The reason this is so is that traditionally exit polls have been close to 2% accurate. Yet in the last three elections, 2000, 2002 and 2004 they haven't been. This years poll remarkably is almost precisely a re-run of 2000 with Ohio playing the part of Florida. In Florida in 2000 the exit polls showed Gore winning by 3%. In the middle of the night they were still counting and on this state alone hinged the entire election.

In 2004 just like in 2000 Fox news called Ohio to Bush before the counting had finished.

Because exit polls are such a good research tool for vote fraud analysis an organisation called PollWatch.org was even set up to conduct independent exit polls. By election time their efforts had been subsumed into the efforts of VerifiedVoting.org, a lobby organisation initiated by Stanford University Professor David Dill which signed up thousands of computer scientists and academics to a petition calling for auditable voting machines.

However the activists were caught off guard on election night.

The Official Exit Poll results – posted in real time on public websites - have some significant drawbacks. Unbeknownst to their readers CNBC, Fox News and CNN were constantly updating their exit poll databases to fit the final results. That is the statistics were fluid and were updated several times through the evening. By 2am in the morning on Nov 3, If you looked at the exit polls and the final results you would find the matched. For Ohio, for Florida, for everywhere. No story there people. Move on.

But as often seems to happen in these tortured times, something unexpected happened and so we can now tell you something close to the full story.'

The Washington post takes up the story:

Washington Post 11/4/2004:

"... a server at Edison/Mitofsky malfunctioned shortly before 11 p.m. The glitch prevented access to any exit poll results until technicians got a backup system operational at 1:33 a.m. yesterday.

The crash occurred barely minutes before the consortium was to update its exit polling with the results of later interviewing that found Bush with a one-point lead. Instead, journalists were left relying on preliminary exit poll results released at 8:15 p.m., which still showed Kerry ahead by three percentage points.

It was only after the polls had closed in most states and the vote count was well underway in the East that it became clear that Bush was in a stronger position in several key battlegrounds, including Ohio, than early exit polls suggested."


By 2am on Nov. 3 in the morning the publicly available exit poll results on the network news sites all changed. Activists still had the original results posted in blogs but they were no real comparison.

Which is why the following data study by Jonathan Simon of <a href=http://verifiedvoting.org> verifiedvoting.org] is so remarkable.

As it turns out this study was only possible because of the computer crash reported by the Washington Post. While the boffins fiddled with their computers Simon – with a considerable degree of foresight - downloaded as much data as he could off the publicly available sites.

The revision number of this data is not known and the original data – from Edison - is now being sought by Scoop.co.nz in order to repeat this study with the full 4pm and 8pm data runs.

I conclude this introduction with some remarks from Chuck, who was commenting on Simon's results.

"Warren Mitofsky meanwhile says that he knew in the afternoon that his exit polls were off in nine states, but this does not sit well with me (I'd need to know how he would know at that point and, assuming he knew, why he would go ahead and promulgate them without caveat?).

Way too much work went into getting the exit polls right this time for me to just accept that they can't do as well as they were doing routinely in the 80s and 90s. It is not, like stained glass, a lost art."


Way too much indeed.

- Alastair Thompson Scoop Co Editor Thursday, 11 November 2004

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To Those Who Seek Information As A Basis For Action Regarding Bush's "Victory":


By Jonathan Simon
Thursday, 11 November 2004


I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl. D.C. (in 4 states—New Jersey, New York, North Carolina,Virginia—I did not have early exit poll results available, and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).

I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of states, but the shift was significantly nonuniform.

Having divided the 47 states examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even though not a battleground state).

I calculated that the average discrepancy in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the vote totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%).

In the 12 critical states (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5% red shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states. This in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states was nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced significantly more accurate results.

Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for each state poll (the standard Mitofksy protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a fifth).

The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty that "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.

FOR FULL DATA SEE…
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm#a


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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:09 PM
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1. A wee grumble... why is scoop not an LBN source
I tried to post this with the original in LBN but it was already locked.

TO MODS... A plea for mercy

Move this to if you must but.... I appeal to you to allow it to stay here. Scoop is a legitimate news source

Scoop broke and you allowed to remain in this forum:

the original Bev Harris Diebold GEMS STORY
Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
&
Sludge Report #154 – Bigger Than Watergate!
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm

we also broke this story in parralell with Bev Harris in her book

Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

...today we have even been immortalised in the Wikipedia for

Faun Otter: Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm

We have world class reporters and writers from the United States writing for us including Jason Leopold and Suzan Mazur. We should be allowed in this forum.

Please at least ask Skinner before you boot this.

regards
alastair thompson
Scoop.

P.S I am releasing the copyright so the 3 para rule does not apply to this post.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:18 PM
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3. Sorry they did you like that Al.......
.......I really don't understand :wtf: that mod was thinking but I'm sure that they will reconsider. :(

Did Liz get back to you about obtaining that data? :shrug:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:00 PM
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10. She did as it happens.. she is asking her bosses..
It might cost $750 though... so I may have to ask for donations.

Al
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:20 PM
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5. This is excellent...
it should be LBN and home page! :)
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:24 PM
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6. Great Idea! Let's all nominate it for the Home Page.......
.......Good thinking! :toast:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:28 PM
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12. Nominate this one.. as it is sans grumble and is the one that LBN bounced
Is an as yet untouched dupe of this one.. without the dirty laundry :) Sorry Skinner and Mods...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x38567

So that would be poetic...
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:42 PM
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8. I second that
Scoop has been a tremendous resource for communicating news of the US vote problems and they have been instrumental in this effort for several years.

Faun
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:48 PM
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13. Get back up there... and if you like this read post # 12
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 11:49 PM by althecat
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:14 PM
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2. thanks for the post
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:20 PM
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4. Can't eat. Can't sleep.
The evidence is nauseating, but it's being dismissed.

What is so HARD to believe that bad people wouldn't use computers to do the wrong thing?
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:39 PM
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7. Reich Winger Media
"What is so HARD to believe that bad people wouldn't use computers to do the wrong thing?"
Because the people who are supposed to protect us from the people who do bads things, works for the bad people. Like the media and Murdock. If this goes nowhere I say we start a hard boycott of a Bush supporter like Walmart. Hey Walmart want to see who didn't vote for Bush? Let the bible thumpers shop there. Find a dem friendly store.
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:07 PM
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11. Why wait?
>>Hey Walmart want to see who didn't vote for Bush? Let the bible thumpers shop there. Find a dem friendly store.<<

I say we start it whether this goes anywhere or not.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:49 PM
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9. 200.000 votes
Those are the missing votes, so far, due to "computer glitches."

In any other country the past election would not be certified.
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:18 AM
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14. Interesting info on exits polls
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 12:19 AM by kuozzman
Copyright 2004 Associated Press
All Rights Reserved
The Associated Press State & Local Wire
These materials may not be republished without the express written consent of The Associated Press
November 2, 2004, Tuesday, BC cycle

SECTION: Political News

LENGTH: 352 words

HEADLINE: How the Florida voter poll was conducted

BYLINE: By The Associated Press

BODY:
The poll of Florida voters was conducted for the National Election Pool - The Associated Press, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox and NBC - by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.

The survey included an exit poll of Election Day voters and telephone interviews with those who voted early or absentee.

The exit poll was conducted Tuesday at a randomly selected probability sample of 55 precincts around Florida. A statewide telephone poll was conducted during the past week to interview absentee voters. The absentee interviews were weighted to represent 27 percent of the overall sample, Edison/Mitofsky's estimate of the absentee and early vote in the state electorate.

In the exit poll, as people left the voting booths, Edison/Mitofsky interviewers asked them to fill out a confidential paper questionnaire prepared by NEP representatives. The interviewers selected voters at a set interval - such as every fifth person - so that each participant had an equal chance of being picked. Voters interviewed by phone were asked the same questions.

The exit poll results were adjusted to reflect the different probabilities of selecting a sample precinct and people attending each, as well as by the observed sex, race and estimated age of voters who refused to participate. The telephone survey results also weighted to geographic region, household size and the number of telephones in the household.

As with any survey, the results could vary because of chance variations in the sample. For this poll of 2,846 respondents - including 376 absentee voters interviewed by phone - there was one chance in 20 that sampling error would cause the results to vary by more than 3 percentage points from the opinions of all Florida voters.

Sampling error also depends on how many exit poll sites have voters with the characteristic of interest. For example, black or high-income voters may be found clustered in only a few sample precincts. Sampling error may be up to three times larger for clustered characteristics.

Polls are subject to other sources of error, such as from question wording or order.


Sounds to me like they're pretty accurate, expecially since they account for absentees, I wasn't aware of that.

If anyone needs the above for another state, I think I've got it.
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