Why is Kerry giving up now?!

[Don1]

Here is what Conyers wrote to Kerry:
"It is for these reasons that I am deeply concerned to learn of the possibility, however remote, that you may be considering withdrawing from the 2004 election recount case in Ohio. As you know, it is absolutely imperative that we have elections that count every vote of every eligible voter, and if there is any issue that is central to a strong democracy, it is ensuring that all eligible voters are able to participate in our elections without encumbrance or interference from others. There is no question that your continued participation in this case will help ensure that we restore trust in our election system."
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/congressman-conyers-urges-kerry-and.html

Here is what the paper says about the Ohio governor and one of his main men:
"In May, officials learned that $13 million was missing from the state investment fund managed by Noe, a well-connected figure in the state GOP and a regional chairman of President Bush's re-election campaign.

Ohio Attorney General Jim Petro, a Republican, has alleged that Noe may have stolen $4 million from the $55.4 million fund, which was designed as an investment for the state's Workers' Compensation Bureau.

The revelations sparked a host of investigations into what critics call Ohio's "pay-to-play" political system, as well as Taft's financial disclosures."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-taft19aug19,0,4119893.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Right now, the Ohio governor is embroiled in a scandal. One of his people, too, is involved in missing workers' money. It was Bush's election guy working for the governor that stole the money, too! It seems like the best time to make the case for fraud...for Kerry to become active. He could go to Ohio and speak about these issues or he could call the governor out. Instead, he seems to be withdrawing the case???

This seems to be more than just about being spineless. Either Kerry has something major up his sleeve or he is doing the GOP a favor.

Why is Kerry giving up now?!

[wli]

1. hopefully it's not helping out a fellow bonesman... n/t

[woodsprite]

8. I'm thinking the same. Especially

after finding out about Taft's connections to the Skull and Bones. I'm ready to wipe my hands clean of anybody that has proven S&B connections.

[Don1]

9. How about just DLC connections?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1971055

I am not ready to give up on him just yet, though. I'll watch him for about a month. If nothing up the sleeve, then I'll not trust him or even the liberals from the DLC anymore.

[MissWaverly]

2. Kerry might be working with Fitzgerald

I really hope that there is a national solution to the "pay to play"
2004 election. Especially now that the "parallel election" in San Diego
has shown a 4% shift towards Republicans. I believe that Kerry is an
honorable man, I do not for one second believe the "bonesmen" nonsense.

[Don1]

5. Like I said in the op...

For Kerry to pull out right now, it is extremely advantageous for the GOP. Either he has something up his sleeve or he is working with them. If he doesn't pull an ace out of his sleeve soon, I'll not trust him any more.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I think with all that

is silly. I don't get very many negative vibes with the group. It could be overhyped for all we know. I get way more negative vibes with Boehemian Grove then I do S&B. With S&B I get hardly any. Plus, apparently the only people who know your secrets is if you're in the same class. George Bush is a year behind Kerry. They knew each other but not each others secrets. Also according to Kay Griggs' interview not everybody does the intitation stuff. Those who do get to the top, those who don't do not get anywhere with the help of the group. I also find it very telling of how both Bush and Kerry were tapped. Kerry was tapped because of who he was and Bush more-so about his name and money and power. Plus, I don't think Kerry would've gone after the Bush family all these years with BCCI and Iran/Contra. He would've done the complete opposite and ignored them. I'm sure they have connections through the group but that's really all. I'm more worried about PNAC then anything. These people are dangerous. But I remember last month reading on BradBlog's show on an open thread once during his radio show a person posted how they heard one of Kerry's daughters were threatned. Remember who we're dealing with. These people will do anything to keep their power so they have to be very careful. It was supposed to be announced that Al Gore won on 9/12/2001 but 9/11 happened. Isn't that interesting timing?

[MissWaverly]

29. thanks, I believe that people see things out of kilter

If John Kerry had honor and integrity on the deck of a swift boat, then
he had it back in college, I strongly believe that the time for accountability is here and those who have deceived us for so long will be found out.

[longship]

3. Appeasement.

Be nice to the crocodile hoping that it will eat you last.

[pocoloco]

4. Where have you been???

He gave up a long time ago!!!

[marylanddem]

6. I don't trust Kerry anymore

I felt he really flaked after the election & He's too much the gentlemens' club type.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. If you go to BradBlog's radio show

look for his interview with Bob Firtakis. It's really quite amazing. Someone has hold of Kerry's hands....so the question now is will he risk it to save us? :shrug:

[kerrygoddess]

26. The only one holding JK's hands

Is Teresa. Teresa said point blank she believes it was stolen. No one, but no one holds John Kerry down. Iran Contra, BCCi, he is his own man, an outsider within the beltway, something most people will never understand. The republicans have always feared him, he will not play his hand before it's time.

[Don1]

7. Read the op closely.

Follow the link, too, if you still do not see it.

This is Conyers to Kerry just yesterday:
"It is for these reasons that I am deeply concerned to learn of the possibility, however remote, that you may be considering withdrawing from the 2004 election recount case in Ohio."

That means there is still at least one open recount court case there.

[pocoloco]

10. Where have you been??

He gave up a long time ago???

[Don1]

16. Are you making statements?

I don't get what you are saying. Stop asking questions. Out with it, man.

[wisteria]

11. This whole situation is suspect- Coyner's doesn't even sound

convinced that the information he has is accurate. I would like for the original source of this information or Cobb himself to come forward with proof that Kerry/Edwards is actually taking the action stated. As of right now, it just appears to be another way to discredit John kerry.

[Don1]

12. Hmmm...good point.

or it could be just a way to rally the troops around the issue now while the Ohio governor has a scandal. Perhaps, Kerry needs a little prodding?

[wisteria]

13. I can agree with making the most out of the Gov. scandal and the

Coingate scandal also,but it could all be accomplished without trying to discrediting Kerry. And, all this comes up now when the Senate is on recess and everyone is vacationing and harder to reach.

[LittleClarkie]

14. It's like a game of telephone. Cobb to Conyers to Pitt

all from the same source. Still looking for confirmation from Camp Kerry.

I'm emailing McTigue and seeing if I can get, as Paul Harvey would say, the REST of the story.

[Fly by night]

15. The information is accurate. And it is that Kerry is "considering" ...

... pulling out. Which is why letters to him at this junction asking him to re-consider make abundant sense. He needs to hear from millions of us (almost 40% of the people who bothered to vote in 2004) who believe the election was stolen and that the Republi-Nazis will keep stealing elections until we cut their thieving hands off or stuff DREs down
their throats.

There's nothing wrong about writing Kerry a complimentary letter asking him to stay the course. After all, he remains one of the few Senators saying the right things on almost every issue these days.

[kerrygoddess]

17. And John Kerry told you this himself?

It is not accurate. Conyers said in his letter it was a RUMOR!

[Don1]

18. Good question.

Can you find out more info?

[kerrygoddess]

19. I'm trying...

I have contact with his offices. I fear it is a rumor and Conyers was substantiating that fact and PDA jumped the gun.

[Don1]

20. I figured it out.

I will post a separate thread.

Here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x389773

[kerrygoddess]

21. Thanks Don1!

You're a gem! If I hear more i will post it.

[Fly by night]

24. My sources are two (not one) of the principals in the lawsuit.

There is nothing new about this story. There were two long threads posted last week on the 2004 ERD discussing the FACT that Kerry was CONSIDERING withdrawing from the lawsuit.

One of the principals who has made this statement publicly (that Kerry was CONSIDERING withdrawing) is David Cobb, one of the plaintiffs in the case (I guess he might know what's going on, don't you?) The other principal is also very deeply involved in this case but that person has not chosen to go public with their concerns, and I respect that person's right to privacy (even though such notions might seem quaint these days.)

I do know for a fact that John Kerry has received hundreds -- if not thousands -- of emails in the past week asking him to stay the course, with many of those letters also copied to Chairman Dean. To date, I have not seen any statement from Kerry (public or otherwise) indicating that he does intend to stay the course in Ohio. Or, for that matter, putting some meat on the bones of this story by admitting that he is indeed dropping out and giving us the reasons why. And I have also not gotten an answer to my letter to him or Chairman Dean. He could put this story to rest by speaking up now. Why hasn't he?

Believe me, I hope that Kerry does not abandon the Greens and Libertarians up-river at this critical junction. The Ohio Republi-Nazi Party is coming apart at the seams and the smelly ooze they are exposing will bring the party down in Ohio (and perhaps elsewhere). I still support John Kerry as my rightfully elected President. He needs to show us that he believes in us as much as some of us still believe in him. So K-Goddess, if you have access to his ear, tell him to press the attack in Ohio -- many of us are still very much behind him.

[kerrygoddess]

25. Did you stop to think that...

Given the nature of the investigations, Kerry and Dean CAN NOT saying anything at this time without revealing their hand. Lawyers, witnesses, investigators, etc DO NOT reveal information that is pertinent to investigations nor for that matter to they discuss investigations publicly.

While you and everyone else wants answers, it's very possible they can not discuss the case.

If Kerry responds and says "I believe" he is revealing to the GOP something that is best not revealed at this time.

When Kerry investigated Iran Contra and BBI, he didn't run around saying "I'm investigating, I'm investigating -- woo hooo, this is what I know!"

A source within PDA just let me know this morning that this was done for a reason, and not to hurt hurt Kerry but to help. Don1 appears to have pegged it above and in another thread here.

[Fly by night]

27. Responding to a rumor -- one way or the other -- won't hurt Kerry.

You posted earlier that we should ask Kerry directly about this rumor, rather than speculating about it. Now you are posting that he shouldn't respond to the questions that we have already asked him.

Which is it?

Why would it be "showing his hand" to answer our concerns about him staying the course in a case he is now a party to. Either he's in, or he's out, or he's sitting on the fence and hasn't decided one way or the other. In any case, a response from him would be useful. He has now been asked by hundreds (if not thousands) of supporters to stay in the case. I hope he does. And I also hope that until he announces what he is doing, that thousands of other former supporters will keep asking him the question. Just as I hope and expect that if he does decide to pull out, he gets lots of additional "feedback" on that too. Enough for him to chew (or choke) on until such time as he decides whether he wants to try saying what he means, and meaning what he says, in some future Presidential contest.

Once again, I still have my Kerry/Edwards bumper-sticker on my truck and I still had a K/E yard sign up until last week when a young Republi-Nazi tore it down. So you shouldn't question my support for Kerry nor suggest that we are out-of-bounds by telling him how we feel about his "stay or go" decision in Ohio.

[Don1]

28. Peace. n/t