How many Gore 2000 voters do you know who voted for Bush in 2004?

[TruthIsAll]

[Melodybe]

1. UMMM, well none, and unfortunately that is not a choice.

[TruthIsAll]

2. Sorry. Its there in now. Choice 1 = NONE

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[tk2kewl]

8. did you type 0 and have it not display?

I did a poll where the answers were numbers and 0 didn't work unless i made it a word

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Wow, we have 4 Freepers lurking tonight?

Shouldn't they be in church?

[O.M.B.inOhio]

5. I actually know one. Very sad case.

An ex-hippy brother-in-law. His kid dropped out of college, was in trouble with the law, some drug & DUI stuff haunting him. Becomes a marine, gets sent overseas. The dad now talks like a Fox News watcher -- bad logic, bad manners -- and does not believe in changing 'leadership' in time of war. I suggested that the PRESIDENCY won't vanish and leave the troops high and dry in the desert, that the leadership has been abysmal and that his son would be safer with a commander-in-chief who is intelligent and who has DONE military service, that since the justification for war (and Congress giving up its Constitutonal powers) was based on lies, the time-of-war argument is like the kid who kills his parents and asks the judge for clemency because he's an orphan. No dice. Faux News Victim.

So I know one of those fools. However, I also know several people who have 'buyer's remorse' from 2000, who were naive enough to believe * in his "humble foreign policy" and "not the world's police" and "I will balance the budget NO MATTER WHAT."

[TruthIsAll]

4. If 20 know avg of 10 Gore voters each, then 4% (8/200) voted for Bush

Assume the average respondent knows:

1) 10 Gore voters
Therefore, we have 20*10 = 200 Gore voters,
8 of the 200 (4%) voted for Bush.

2) 5 Gore voters
20*5 = 100
8 of 100 = 8%

To tighten it up, indicate approximately how many Gore voters you know.

[Febble]

7. Oh, blimey, TIA

You are not seriously going to do stats on this are you?

Tell me you're joking!

[TruthIsAll]

9. Joking? Are you joking with NES, saying Dems are a combination of

dementia afflicted, Alzheimer forgetting, unmitigated liars?

Well, watch DUers tell the truth.
Like those who were exit polled.

We may even get a few hundred responses.

Keep kicking it.

[Febble]

11. Two words

Random sample.

A few more:

You know perfectly well that neither OTOH nor myself have suggested that Dems are liars.

OTOH surprised me by saying that even those who voted for both Gore and Kerry were capably of reporting that they'd voted for Bush in 2000. Doesn't sound like lying to me. Sounds like forgetting.

You know, TIA, you are very fond of citing survey FACTS. OTOH's data are also FACTS. Longitudinal studies of actual voters, what they said at time a, what they said at time b and what they said at time c. And what these data reveal is that people do not report the same thing at time b and c as they report at time a. I don't call it lying (though you can if you want to). I call it not being that interested in politics and literally forgetting how you voted last time. Only a minority, but an important minority.

These may be inconvenient FACTS to you, but they are as much FACTS as the FACTS in the polls you cite. In fact, they are rather more reliable FACTS than the reweighted Final Table which we both agree is FICTION as it was reweighted to match the results. Whether it is plausible FICTION or not is currently under discussion on that thread - i.e. whether the reweightings used could plausibly compensate for the postulated bias in the poll. Or whether, as you argue, that they are implausible.

But pertinent to that debate is the FACT that people forget how they voted, as evidenced by the NES data. Or do you think they made it up?

[StefanX]

18. Without even doing stats, this is a very interesting poll question

It highlights the fact that in reality there were probably almost no Gore-2000-to-Bush-2004 crossover voters.

And since Gore won the popular vote in 2000, and the 2004 election was a big deal with lots of new Dems registering to vote... this is yet another tidbit that shows how Bush's 2004 "victory" makes no sense.

Even without statistics.

[TruthIsAll]

19. Current 2 poll results: Gore to Bush =.5, Bush to Kerry=1.81818

Gore to Bush: 24/48 respondents
Average= .5

Bush to Kerry: 40/22 respondents
Average = 1.81818

[Davis_X_Machina]

6. All 9/11 freakouts.

One of them, a nice neighbor lady, told me she voted for Bush in 2004, and was relieved that Gore wasn't president, 'because after 9/11, Gore would have surrendered to the terrorists, and they would have taken over, and it would now be illegal to be a Christian, and American women would all have to wear burkas'.

She lives in panic fear that Al Qaeda wiil -- take your pick -- take over the Maine Mall like they did that school in Russia, or use poison gas on the Bath Iron Works.

[TruthIsAll]

10. So far, 23 of 420 (5.47%) Gore voters to Bush in 2004.

Very interesting.

No, not scientific.
Well, at least it's common sense for those in THIS COUNTRY who voted for Gore.

And saw Bush steal it from him in broad daylight.
Why would he not try it again in cyberspace?

[Febble]

12. OK, good

not scientific but interesting. Nothing wrong with that!

Just checking!

[autorank]

13. We inerrupt the normal programming with this special announcement:

8/22/05

Bush

Approve 36%
Disapprove 58%
Undecided 6%

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

You know what this means, the "f" word as in election FRAUD is now accepteable for use by CM (Ccorporate Media)

[Febble]

14. It's a shame you guys can't precipitate a snap election

In the UK we could have a no-confidence vote and a general election in three weeks time.

(sigh).

[autorank]

15. It's also a shame I got the disapiprove wrong, it's 58% (thanks Chi)

[City Lights]

16. I know of 1.

She floored me when she said she was voting for ** because she disagrees with just about everything ** stands for. The so-called war on terra was what sucked her to **'s side. The kicker is that she's totally anti-war - to the point that she plans on leaving the country if the draft is reinstated. She won't give up her kids, but apparently thinks it's fine if someone else gives up theirs. We don't talk much anymore.

[bleever]

17. I had to settle for Zero, because my real choice would be a negative

number to reflect the * voters in 2000 that I know voted for Kerry in '04.

How about another poll for those folks? Unscientific, certainly, but perhaps interesting.

[TruthIsAll]

20. Will the DUer who selected 9 give us some more info?

Like where and why all these Gore voters decided to vote for Bush.

[TruthIsAll]

21. SO FAR, 24/52, OR LESS 0.5 GORE VOTERS - ON AVERAGE

YOU KNOW ONE-HALF OF A GORE VOTER WHO VOTED FOR BUSH.

MUST BE THE LOWER HALF BECAUSE THE HEAD IS MISSING.

[bleever]

22. One correction for extremes, though informal, is to look at the data

with the high and low extremes dropped, with the expectation that doing so actually centers the bell curve more accurately, or at least more accurately approximates "popular opinion".

Good polls.

[Patsy Stone]

23. That's all well and good...

But in my personal experience, the answer is ZERO. Let x=x. :hi:

[bleever]

26. Hey, what if they were reluctant, or lying, or had false memory?

:eyes:

The complications could be endless!!

:eyes:

[Bill Bored]

24. That depends. Do you mean knowingly or otherwise? nt

[TruthIsAll]

27. Knowingly, Bill...and you know why I'm running these 2 polls all over DU

These polls are an interesting sidebar to the match play thread.

I will be presumptuous and dare to draw tentative conclusions from the results of these polls. Why not? If Gore voters can be called forgetful liars, then I can draw inferences from good DUers, assuming they will tell the truth about 2000 voters they know who crossed over to the other side in 2004.

As far as that match play thread...
Gore to Bush: 14.8%?
A cruel joke.

Bush to Kerry: 7.2%
Do pigs fly?

Let DUers lead the way.

[Bill Bored]

25. With our system, Gore could have voted for Bush in '04 for all we know! nt

[tommcintyre]

28. kick - In tribute to his tremendous contributions - WHY??? :( n/t

[kster]

29. Kicked

OFF FRONT PAGE, NOW TIA :shrug:

[mod mom]

30. What's up with this? why? :( such dedication to the cause. nt

[tommcintyre]

31. kick nt

[autorank]

32. It's always useful to remember facts. These DUers are telling the truth.

Why would they answer if they didn't know?

[mod mom]

33. Thanks Autorank for the flash back-for a moment I thought TIA had

returned!

[autorank]

35. Thanks mod mom. The entire election process is on life support

without much hope for survival...and that's a good thing. It has to go.

I saw ads today where Kathy Cox, D, GA, Scty of State and the Dem head of the very liberal Montgomery County Board of Elections were both endorsing Diebold with their pictures and quotations in Diebold literature. This is outrageous. I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of one VA state official who endorses the products they acquire for the state, and that inlcudes Republican and Democratic administrations. Even Rummy wouldn't have his picture and endorsement in an ad for Raytheon or one of those folks. This is lunacy.

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