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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:31 PM
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More HAVA law to be used against DREs
HAVA section 301 requires that each state shall adopt uniform and nondiscriminatory standards that define what constitutes a vote and what will be counted as a vote for each category of voting system used in the State.

Why is this so important?

In some states there are laws or regulations about testing of DREs that say how many "votes" should be cast on the machines to test them. Vendors and lazy BoEs don't want to test the machines by casting actual votes because with DREs, this is HARD WORK! But any legal language that says "votes" must be used to test the machines, as well they should be, must NOT be interpreted to allow self-diagnostic programs. If it were, this is tantamount to saying that under HAVA, a vote on Election Day can be generated by a machine instead of voter!

The point is that it's much easier to test Optical Scanners with real paper ballots than to test DREs by punching in votes on the screen. Since HAVA requires the term "vote" to be well defined, we can use this to address the testing deficiencies inherent in DREs and push for other systems that are easier to test with real votes and not just self-diagnostic programs. The HAVA deadline for establishing the definition of "vote" in each state is Jan 1, 2006.

We should continue to trash aspects of HAVA that do not protect our franchise, such as allowing DREs without voter-verified paper audit records, but we should also use HAVA to get what we want: free, fair and verifiable elections.

Please spread this around!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:38 PM
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1. Wil spread. Excellent.
I'd like to see much more on DRE's etc. ... the machine end of things.

How does this relate to what FogerRox has been talking about?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 02:29 PM
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2. Ask Foger, but I'd say it relates man!
It also relates to Fly by Night's lawsuit in TN. (Guess I should post a link on that thread.)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 04:52 PM
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3. We interrupt our normal programming for this SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 05:14 PM by autorank
We interrupt our normal programming for this SPECIAL
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[b]8/22/05

Bush

Approve       36%
Disapprove    58%
Undecided      6%

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

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August 22, 2005  
 
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8/22/05 	Approve Disapprove Undecided
Overall 	36% 	  58% 	     6%
Economy 	33% 	  62% 	     8%

George W. Bush's job approval ratings have dropped from July.
Those approving of the way Bush is handling his job as
president are more optimistic about their personal financial
situations. Details from the nationwide survey conducted
August 18-21 are available at The National Economy.

 
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:09 PM
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4. How come the economy numbers add up to 103%? nt
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