New Mexico had over 100% puke voter turnout.

[Senior citizen]

Bev just posted the New Mexico county stats.

Here are a few counties with the percent of puke voter turnout:

Cibola County 130.77%

Curry County 104.72%

Grant County 121.82%

Hidalgo County 158.50%

Lea County 108.29%

Quay County 144.78%

Rio Arriba County 178.64%

Roosevelt County 110.87%

San Miguel County 105.12%

Taos County 103.93%

Union County 149.59%

Valencia County 116.75%

Now I see why the pukes are telling us to quit whining and get over it. We simply didn't work hard enough. In no single county in America did Democrat turnout even equal 100%, while in Ohio and New Mexico (and when the results come in, probably in every other state as well!) puke turnout was well over 100%

We can't even turn out the voters we have, and they can turn out 50% to 2000% more voters than they have. Like Randi says, "It's a miracle!"

Waddya mean you don't believe in miracles? You one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks 150% puke voter turnout is indicative of election fraud? Get over it! We've simply got to work harder--particularly in appealing to those nonexistent voters who overwhelmingly voted puke.

Or something like that......

[MatrixEscape]

1. Amazing!

Jeebus at work! Working miracles is work! It's hard work! He's working them.

Does this mean that 150% of me can vote next time, too?

[Wabbajack]

2. What are these stats based on?

[OneThirty8]

3. It must have been 'Night of the Living Dead.'

The dead people decided to vote that day instead of eating our brains. It's the only explanation, unless you want to accuse the Republicans of cheating.

[Slit Skirt]

17. it's gotta be night of the living dead

repukes don't cheat or lie....

[gerrilea]

4. The stats are based on registered voter lists

I got the email a bit ago with this link...looks like a real problem for democrats...I didn't know you could have more votes than voters...we have to do it next time...





http://lnvb.westside.com/NewMexico/NewMexicoByCounty.html

[Bread and Circus]

6. Holy shit, someone should screenshot that before it gets "adjusted".

Those are some freakish numbers (if accurate). Either
someone is doing something very fishy or the Democrats
are having some amazingly huge problem turning out votes in
those NM voting areas compared to Republicans. OTOH, I
guess Bush coulda got all those Reg. Democrats votes but I find
such a swing really, really, hard to believe. Perhaps
there are a lot of people that consider themself Democrats
in NM but vote for Bush nonetheless :shrug: I'd buy maybe
8 to 11% crossover but these numbers seem out of the range
for that.

Keep this kicked as it's one of the few things that seem
clearly amiss at first glance. A lot of the statistical
analyses that fly around here get kind of convoluted. But
this, this I can even understand without too much effort.

[Nordic]

28. Done! I screenshotted the whole thing

It's now on my hard drive

[okieinpain]

22. look at this county.

Cibola Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast %
Republican 3,035 21.27% 3,969 52.47%
Democrats 9,567 67.04% 3,428 45.32%
Other 1,668 11.69% 167 2.21%
14,270 100.00% 7,564 100.00%

Turnout
130.77% Republican Turnout
35.83% Demo Turnout
10.01% Other Turnout
53.01% Total Turnout


Precincts Rpt 20 of 20
Total voters 7,865
%no Pres vote 3.83%

are you telling me that out of an county with 9000 registered dems, that only 3000 dems showed up. also check the % of no pres votes, in all of the dem majority counties, the dem no pres vote is really high, in the repug majority counties the no pres vote is way lower when compared to dems.

[Nordic]

31. yeah that's all extremely suspicious

connecting the dots here, it's looking bad for the repubs

[newyawker99]

32. Hi gerrilea!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[high density]

49. What's up with Sandoval County?

It looks like a strong Democratic area but only 10 of the 65 precincts are reporting.

http://65.160.159.96/County29.htm

[ahimsa]

5. Now we're getting silly..

If you look at the two links in your reference document (http://lnvb.westside.com/NewMexico/NewMexicoByCounty.html), http://65.160.159.96/County1.htm and http://www.sos.state.nm.us/avrs/COUNTY.HTM, you'll see that the % is not "turnout". It just means that a lot of registered Democrats purportedly voted for Bush (which I think is the real mystery).

For example, Hidalgo County votes:

 JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic  861 43.8% 
 GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 1081 55.0% 

Registered Voters:

 Republican  665 22.41% 
 Democrats 2,132 71.83% 

That Republican/Demo turnout percent is a useless number (unless there is data out there that says who voted for whom based on their party registration - but that's not in any of these links).

On edit - added the actual links and picked a better example county!

[Bread and Circus]

7. Why use that example? It doesn't seem to explain or "debunk"

anything. Actually, those numbers seem pretty reasonable
but don't seem to be in the same magnitude of crossover that
you see in many of the other County tallies.

:shrug:

[ahimsa]

8. Sorry, it's late here

But I picked a different county that is probably better. :boring:

My point is that the data isn't saying that 150% of the Republicans turned out or that only 10% of the Democrats turned out - just that whether they intended to or not, a lot of the registered Democrats' votes ended up going for Bush.

[Senior citizen]

9. Silly me!

All over the country we have reports of huge turnouts where the people who stood in line for hours knew each other and had a chance to talk to each other, and were determined to wait as long as it took so that they could vote for Kerry. And they were astonished when the results showed that their precincts went for Bush.

I'm sure you can pay somebody enough to say that they're a Democrat who voted for Bush. But if the results were correct, there were millions of Democrats who hated Bush, donated to Kerry, campaigned for Kerry, stood in line for up to 10 hours to vote for Kerry, are on record as being opposed to Bush, to the Iraq war, the deficit, the loss of jobs and healthcare, the attacks on Civil rights, and are staunch proponents of a woman's right to choose, stem cell research, the separation of church and state, and other liberal issues, and who suddenly decided, when they got to the voting booth, to vote against their own best interests.

Personally, I think the problem was that Democrats DID vote Democratic. Had we voted for a third party, we'd have no difficulty getting our candidates to request a recount.

[ahimsa]

10. No, silly me!

I should know better than to try to make a point at 3am. You said:

We can't even turn out the voters we have, and they can turn out 50% to 2000% more voters than they have. Like Randi says, "It's a miracle!"
While I totally agree that it's hard to believe all those registered Democrats voted for Bush, that's what the data shows - not that 2000% more Republicans showed up to vote. The data may be fraudulent, but can be explained by having both 60% of Democrats and Republicans turning out to vote, but half the Democrats' votes going to Bush.

I think framing the problem along the lines of the Republicans turning out more voters than they have registered* is a mistake because it isn't true and will make us look foolish. The real question is whether those Democrats intentionally voted for Bush or not.

Maybe I can make myself clearer tomorrow. :eyes:

*Note - I'm only talking about the data you posted above - I'm sure there are places where there are more votes than registered voters but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

[RememberTheCoup]

11. You are exactly correct.

This is the way I would frame the argument, using your example...

Hidalgo County votes:

JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 861 43.8%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 1081 55.0%

Registered Voters:

Republican 665 22.41%
Democrats 2,132 71.83%

Assume that 90% of registered Republicans voted for Bush. That's 599 votes. Subtract 599 from 1081 and you get 482. That means 482 of Bush's votes would have to come from registered Dems. Divide 482 by 2,132 and you get 23% of Dems supposedly voting for Bush.

Even if you assume that 100% of R's voted for Bush, you still need 20% of D's to make up the difference. As you said, the large number of Dems who would supposedly have voted for Bush is the real mystery.

[Senior citizen]

14. Well, I know a lot of pukes voted for Kerry.

Particularly the fiscal conservatives, the Eisenhower-type pukes, the ones who lost jobs or health care, some who don't like the neo-con takeover of their party, etc., but I don't know of any Democrats who would vote against their own interests.

In my precinct (actually 2 precincts voting at the same polling place), I was a poll watcher. I was there most of the day, and I talked to and observed most of the voters. When they posted the totals after the polls closed, I was shocked to find that Kerry only had a little more than twice as many votes as Bush, since it appeared to me that 90% or more of the turnout was for Kerry. But since I was homeless for most of my life and had to be a good judge of people in order to simply survive, I don't suppose my perceptions are worth anything.

Bush has been bussing the same people to his rallies, because they have to be loyal vetted supporters. He never reached out to undecideds, and he certainly never reached out to Dems. Just because the polls kept saying it was a close race, doesn't mean it really was. They are given their talking points and they stick to them. We do have evangelicals and bigots in this country, but they're nowhere close to the numbers that would have to exist for this vote to be correct.

Much as I hate to admit it, there is one possible explanation. Kiddy porn sites get millions of hits a day, and there are probably a lot of kiddy porn devotees and pedophiles who pretend to be liberal Dems because it helps them get access to women with children, but who would vote puke because they know that true liberals oppose their form of "family values." But would 8 million child molesters vote against their own economic interests to support their vice? Heck, if they hurt little kids, I guess they're capable of anything evil. And there sure are a lot of 'em. The pukes are constantly recruiting new ones in the workplace and in the military, as it gives them control over people to involve them in something blackmailable.

Even so, the very fact that anyone could suggest that Democrats might vote puke, shows that there is not enough difference between the corporate parties to dissuade them. That's why I'm going back to the Greens. Go Green for GOODNESS sake! The corporate parties are already admitting that they're almost indistinguishable.

[Bread and Circus]

16. Can you crunch the numbers on some of the more egregious examples?

I'd really like to know how much crossover you'd need to get then.

[5by5]

21. Crossover voters

OK, let's accept your numbers and try to draw conclusions.

National pre-election polling had Democrats supporrting Kerry in the low 80's. Bush was in the low 90s amongst Repubs.

So is it unreasonable for 23% of Dems to cross over for Bush in rural NM?

I don't think so. It is clear though that if Dem support for Kerry had matched Repub support for Bush, Kerry would have won easily.

[RememberTheCoup]

29. Yes, I think it is unreasonable.

Sorry.

[jbnow]

68. And how would that be clear to you?

It is clear though that if Dem support for Kerry had matched Repub support for Bush, Kerry would have won easily

I don't know this particular county but how is it your clear conclusion that Kerry could have won easily if he had higher Democratic support?

My clear conclusion overall is Kerry could have won if the elections were honest.

[sandnsea]

37. You're right

They've coming to the wrong conclusion from the numbers.

Did all those Republicans vote for Kerry. And now that we've apparently got Dem votes going to a Libertarian in Indiana, did that happen anywhere else. If I were going to cheat, I wouldn't make it so obvious as just stuffing the ballot box until it overflowed. I think those days are gone at least.

[bushisanidiot]

12. Dead repukes voting from the grave. They are the queens of voter fraud

that is for damned sure!

[Sideways]

13. So When They Throw The Welfare Queens Label On Dem's

We blast back with VOTER FRAUD QUEENS. :silly:

[OKNancy]

15. Playing with statistics looks like to me

Looks like a lot of Democrats voted for Bush.

In Oklahoma, there were over 150,000 more votes for Bush than there are registered Republicans. Voter fraud? No, registered Democrats voted for Bush.

[ahimsa]

19. I would not say "no fraud"

since it's also quite possible that some of those Democrats didn't intend to vote for Bush. Hopefully we'll find out (hopefully sooner than later) with all the attention now being focused on this election.

[tobybear]

24. How did these counties vote in 2000 and 1996?

Are they southwestern dixiecrats or what? If the totals are consistent with previous elections then it's probably not that great of evidence - if it doesn't, then we need to bring this to everyone's attention. does someone have this info?

[glugglug]

27. Not dixiecrats...

I checked the most aggregious one, Rio Arriba county. They voted 68% for Gore.

[silvershadow]

47. What about Hispanics? Do we know how large the Hispanic

vote is this year in N.M.? And do we know how they voted? (ie: any polls or anything?)

[springhill]

34. Yeh,

It seems like all across the country democrats that voted for Gore in 2000 voted for Bush in 2004, and all republicans voted for Bush, well almost all. Yeh, right.

[Straight Shooter]

36. My sentiments exactly. Too many arguments giving * benefit of the doubt

Everyone seems to start from the premise that 100% of Repubs voted for bush whenever we're looking at how these numbers actually break down.

I find that very hard to believe. I don't profess to know the demographics of NM, but let's see if we can find a comparable state with results that are not questionable, and see if bush got 100% of Repub votes.

I don't believe we'll find that anywhere, unless it's a very small voter population.

[sandnsea]

38. *sigh* NOT the point

If you're going to prove fraud, you've got to put the right kind of fraud with the right numbers. The original post said there were more Republicans voting than Republicans registered. They didn't interpret the data correctly. The correct interpretation is did all these Democrats really vote for Bush. We can't keep having false accusations or we're going to lose all credibility.

[springhill]

43. I think that's kind of what my post was saying.........

Could Bush really have gotten all those extra democratic votes. I say no. Now to prove it is another story.

[Straight Shooter]

51. I see what you're saying. But results will still be skewed

as long as we operate on the presumption that bush gets 100% of repub votes.

[lefthandedskyhook]

18. New Mexico democrats - - LOOK HERE!!!

Please help get the word out for the NM provisional vote count... HURRY - - we have through Friday (tomorrow) only!

(already posted in NM state forum)

---------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS IS AN ALERT

In Bernalillo County, thousands of provisional and other paper ballots are waiting to be counted in a warehouse at 2400 Broadway SW, a couple of blocks south of Gibson. There, minimally paid workers from the precincts work in pairs opening the sealed ballots, to read and tally them.

Party volunteers are needed to be present as observers and to keep tally of the presidential vote of each ballot as it is opened. The totals will be compared with the official precinct tallies. Training is minimal and provided on the spot. The process is boring but essential to keep the count honest and dependable.

One does not need to be a resident of Bernalillo County to participate. Help is desperately needed, and the deadline to complete the count is this Friday night.

Volunteers are needed from 8 AM to 8 PM from now through Friday. Usually observers volunteer for two or three hours at a time. To find out more about participating as a Democrat observer call Marci at 270-2526 or simply show up at Warehouse H, 2400 Broadway SW.

[jsascj]

23. Why hasn't Bill Richardson

made accommodations for this?

[Horse with no Name]

20. Maybe in New Mexico

Pregnant women get 1.5 votes? NOT.

[glugglug]

25. How do we know this isn't like the dixiecrat counties?

The last thing needed is more red herrings for the media to be dismissive of so they can ignore the real issues.

[glugglug]

26. NOT a red herring

I found the 2000 stats for Rio Arriba county here:
http://web.state.nm.us/Election/00General/conty016.HTM

They voted 68% for Gore. This is NOT a Dixiecrat-like situation.

[tobybear]

30. can we do it for the rest of the counties?

If they are all or mostly like Rio Arriba county - then I think this is a much more persuasive case than Florida.

[Cookie wookie]

33. kick

[sandnsea]

39. Latinos are Catholic

Catholics are against gay marriage and abortion. It is possible that enough voted for Bush on those issues to swing the difference. They weren't in the forefront of issues in 2000.

[BattyDem]

35. Wow! Repukes are REALLY loyal to their party ...

They even vote from beyond the grave! :eyes:
Or ... are they voting before they're even born? :shrug: No wonder they're against abortion: apparently embryonic voters are Republican!

[jsamuel]

40. DON'T LET THIS BE ANOTHER RED HAIRING LIKE FLORIDA COUNITES!!! Check 2000

Check the numbers from 2000 and compare!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/cbc/nmcbc.htm

[jsamuel]

41. Here they are...

2000
Total Precincts
Precincts Reporting Gore Bush Browne Buchanan
Bernalillo 405 405 99,449 95,232 713 397
Catron 9 9 353 1,273 14 11
Chaves 54 54 6,340 11,378 56 51
Cibola 31 31 4,127 2,752 8 29
Colfax 22 22 2,653 2,600 20 20
Curry 42 42 3,471 8,301 19 23
DeBaca 5 5 349 612 0 7
DonaAna 111 111 23,912 21,263 155 115
Eddy 55 55 7,108 10,335 36 37
Grant 37 37 5,673 4,961 42 37
Guadalupe 6 6 1,076 548 1 2
Harding 3 3 214 366 0 3
Hidalgo 8 8 839 954 6 5
Lea 46 46 3,855 10,157 22 37
Lincoln 18 18 2,027 4,458 82 22
LosAlamos 19 19 4,149 5,623 88 8
Luna 15 15 2,975 3,395 20 29
McKinley 67 67 10,281 5,070 56 46
Mora 13 13 1,456 668 8 6
Otero 42 42 5,465 10,258 64 53
Quay 15 15 1,471 2,292 8 17
RioArriba 44 44 8,169 3,495 19 20
Roosevelt 20 20 1,557 3,440 15 10
Sandoval 64 64 14,898 15,424 115 76
SanJuan 81 81 11,980 21,434 154 117
SanMiguel 32 32 6,540 2,215 27 16
SantaFe 82 82 32,017 13,974 147 86
Sierra 13 13 1,689 2,721 18 19
Socorro 26 26 3,294 3,173 53 23
Taos 36 36 7,039 2,744 29 12
Torrance 14 14 1,868 2,891 8 20
Union 11 11 452 1,269 4 7
Valencia 40 40 9,819 10,803 58 55
Totals 1,486 1,486 286,565 286,079 2,065 1,416




2004

County Total Precincts Precincts Reporting Bush Kerry Nader
Bernalillo 413 412 119,161 128,531 1,419
Catron 9 9 1,427 551 8
Chaves 53 53 14,791 6,743 103
Cibola 32 31 3,428 3,969 86
Colfax 22 22 3,082 2,824 33
Curry 40 40 10,649 3,541 62
DeBaca 6 6 706 281 2
Dona Ana 106 106 28,710 30,174 355
Eddy 44 44 13,266 6,879 68
Grant 38 38 5,974 7,020 81
Guadalupe 7 7 914 1,340 10
Harding 4 4 380 259 4
Hidalgo 8 8 1,081 861 12
Lea 47 47 14,349 3,615 45
Lincoln 21 21 6,079 2,833 51
Los Alamos 19 19 5,810 5,206 81
Luna 16 16 4,164 3,340 48
McKinley 68 68 7,349 13,060 98
Mora 13 13 928 1,876 9
Otero 45 45 14,062 6,431 128
Quay 15 15 2,661 1,422 25
Rio Arriba 43 43 5,136 9,737 44
Roosevelt 21 21 4,998 2,083 35
San Juan 73 73 29,511 14,831 239
San Miguel 32 32 3,216 8,435 67
Sandoval 70 70 22,482 21,215 214
Santa Fe 89 89 18,463 47,069 317
Sierra 11 11 3,162 1,926 42
Socorro 26 26 3,696 4,025 47
Taos 37 37 3,605 10,772 103
Torrance 17 17 4,026 2,386 42
Union 11 11 1,454 411 11
Valencia 39 39 14,355 11,176 126

[liquiduniverse]

52. Eddy county seems to show one of the biggest anomalies

This is one of just a few counties where Kerry's total was less than or flat compared to Gore's votes.

Total votes for above candidates 2000: 17516
Votes for Gore: 7108 (41%)

Total votes for above candidates 2004: 20213
Votes for Kerry: 6879 (34%)

( FYI - I made a mistake with these numbers in an earlier thread. )

[liquiduniverse]

54. and Lea county too ...

Total votes for above candidates 2000: 14071
Votes for Gore: 3855 (27%)

Total votes for above candidates 2004: 18009
Votes for Kerry: 3615 (20%)

[fearnobush]

53. New Mexico Registration vs Polling Results

Source
http://65.160.159.96/County1.htm
http://www.sos.state.nm.us/avrs/COUNTY.HTM
As of 10am Pacific time, 11/7/04

<http://lnvb.westside.com/NewMexico/NewMexicoByCounty_files/sheet001.html>

Statewide
New Mexico Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 1366 of 1430 Turnout
Republican 359,563 32.53% 348,125 49.93% Total voters 703,701 96.82% Republican Turnout
Democrats 550,519 49.80% 341,186 48.94% % no Pres vote 0.93% 61.98% Demo Turnout
Other 195,290 17.67% 7,858 1.13% 95.52% 4.02% Other Turnout
1,105,372 100.00% 697,169 100.00% 6,939 spread 63.07% Total Turnout

County By County
Bernalillo Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 414 of 414 Turnout
Republican 122,806 34.44% 119,161 47.52% Total voters 250,995 97.03% Republican Turnout
Democrats 162,309 45.52% 128,531 51.26% % no Pres vote 0.10% 79.19% Demo Turnout
Other 71,421 20.03% 3,042 1.21% 4.26% Other Turnout
356,536 100.00% 250,734 100.00% 70.33% Total Turnout

Catron Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 9of 9 Turnout
Republican 1,495 53.66% 1,427 71.56% Total voters 2,006 95.45% Republican Turnout
Democrats 997 35.79% 551 27.63% % no Pres vote 0.60% 55.27% Demo Turnout
Other 294 10.55% 16 0.80% 5.44% Other Turnout
2,786 100.00% 1,994 100.00% 71.57% Total Turnout

Chavez Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 51 of 52 Turnout
Republican 15,364 45.84% 14,748 68.06% Total voters 22,082 95.99% Republican Turnout
Democrats 13,007 38.80% 6,716 31.00% % no Pres vote 1.87% 51.63% Demo Turnout
Other 5,149 15.36% 204 0.94% 3.96% Other Turnout
33,520 100.00% 21,668 100.00% 64.64% Total Turnout

Cibola Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 20 of 20 Turnout
Republican 3,035 21.27% 3,969 52.47% Total voters 7,865 130.77% Republican Turnout
Democrats 9,567 67.04% 3,428 45.32% % no Pres vote 3.83% 35.83% Demo Turnout
Other 1,668 11.69% 167 2.21% 10.01% Other Turnout
14,270 100.00% 7,564 100.00% 53.01% Total Turnout

Colfax Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 20 of 20 Turnout
Republican 2,634 30.81% 3,077 51.94% Total voters 5,934 116.82% Republican Turnout
Democrats 4,978 58.23% 2,818 47.57% % no Pres vote 0.17% 56.61% Demo Turnout
Other 937 10.96% 29 0.49% 3.09% Other Turnout
8,549 100.00% 5,924 100.00% 69.29% Total Turnout

Curry Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 38 of 38 Turnout
Republican 10,167 47.17% 10,647 74.89% Total voters 14,316 104.72% Republican Turnout
Democrats 8,509 39.48% 3,536 24.87% % no Pres vote 0.69% 41.56% Demo Turnout
Other 2,878 13.35% 34 0.24% 1.18% Other Turnout
21,554 100.00% 14,217 100.00% 65.96% Total Turnout

De Baca Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 5 of 5 Turnout
Republican 381 26.06% 705 71.14% Total voters 1,071 185.04% Republican Turnout
Democrats 987 67.51% 280 28.25% % no Pres vote 7.47% 28.37% Demo Turnout
Other 94 6.43% 6 0.61% 6.38% Other Turnout
1,462 100.00% 991 100.00% 67.78% Total Turnout

Dona Ana Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 107 of 107 Turnout
Republican 27,933 29.64% 29,023 48.18% Total voters 61,159 103.90% Republican Turnout
Democrats 47,648 50.56% 30,602 50.81% % no Pres vote 1.51% 64.23% Demo Turnout
Other 18,663 19.80% 609 1.01% 3.26% Other Turnout
94,244 100.00% 60,234 100.00% 63.91% Total Turnout

Eddy Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 42 of 42 Turnout
Republican 9,702 34.74% 13,240 65.53% Total voters 20,289 136.47% Republican Turnout
Democrats 15,261 54.65% 6,866 33.98% % no Pres vote 0.42% 44.99% Demo Turnout
Other 2,963 10.61% 98 0.49% 3.31% Other Turnout
27,926 100.00% 20,204 100.00% 72.35% Total Turnout

Grant Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 36 of 36 Turnout
Republican 5,001 23.70% 6,092 45.78% Total voters 13,632 121.82% Republican Turnout
Democrats 12,757 60.46% 7,044 52.93% % no Pres vote 2.38% 55.22% Demo Turnout
Other 3,342 15.84% 172 1.29% 5.15% Other Turnout
21,100 100.00% 13,308 100.00% 63.07% Turnout 63.07% Total Turnout

Guadeloupe Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 6 of 6 Turnout
Republican 464 12.47% 914 40.35% Total voters 2,315 196.98% Republican Turnout
Democrats 3,130 84.14% 1,340 59.16% % no Pres vote 2.16% 42.81% Demo Turnout
Other 126 3.39% 11 0.49% 8.73% Other Turnout
3,720 100.00% 2,265 100.00% 60.89% Total Turnout

Harding Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 3 of 3 Turnout
Republican 366 46.62% 380 59.01% Total voters 649 103.83% Republican Turnout
Democrats 384 48.92% 259 40.22% % no Pres vote 0.77% 67.45% Demo Turnout
Other 35 4.46% 5 0.78% 14.29% Other Turnout
785 100.00% 644 100.00% 82.04% Total Turnout

Hidalgo Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 7 of 7 Turnout
Republican 665 22.41% 1,054 55.30% Total voters 1,979 158.50% Republican Turnout
Democrats 2,132 71.83% 830 43.55% % no Pres vote 3.69% 38.93% Demo Turnout
Other 171 5.76% 22 1.15% 12.87% Other Turnout
2,968 100.00% 1,906 100.00% 64.22% Total Turnout

Lea Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 44 of 44 Turnout
Republican 13,209 45.03% 14,304 79.38% Total voters 18,176 108.29% Republican Turnout
Democrats 11,614 39.59% 3,611 20.04% % no Pres vote 0.86% 31.09% Demo Turnout
Other 4,510 15.38% 104 0.58% 2.31% Other Turnout
29,333 100.00% 18,019 100.00% 61.43% Total Turnout

Lincoln Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 20 of 20 Turnout
Republican 7,850 55.67% 6,079 67.32% Total voters 9,164 77.44% Republican Turnout
Democrats 3,982 28.24% 2,833 31.37% % no Pres vote 1.46% 71.15% Demo Turnout
Other 2,268 16.09% 118 1.31% 5.20% Other Turnout
14,100 100.00% 9,030 100.00% 64.04% Total Turnout

Los Alamos Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 18 of 18 Turnout
Republican 5,788 42.46% 5,810 51.89% Total voters 11,232 100.38% Republican Turnout
Democrats 4,990 36.60% 5,206 46.49% % no Pres vote 0.31% 104.33% Demo Turnout
Other 2,855 20.94% 181 1.62% 6.34% Other Turnout
13,633 100.00% 11,197 100.00% 82.13% Total Turnout

Luna Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 14 of 14 Turnout
Republican 3,525 31.80% 4,164 54.84% Total voters 7,625 118.13% Republican Turnout
Democrats 5,974 53.89% 3,340 43.99% % no Pres vote 0.42% 55.91% Demo Turnout
Other 1,586 14.31% 89 1.17% 5.61% Other Turnout
11,085 100.00% 7,593 100.00% 68.50% Total Turnout

McKinley Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 52 of 52 Turnout
Republican 6,048 17.31% 5,311 33.69% Total voters 17,121 87.81% Republican Turnout
Democrats 22,702 64.99% 10,277 65.20% % no Pres vote 7.93% 45.27% Demo Turnout
Other 6,184 17.70% 175 1.11% 2.83% Other Turnout
34,934 100.00% 15,763 100.00% 45.12% Total Turnout

Mora Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 12 of 12 Turnout
Republican 742 16.81% 928 32.84% Total voters 3,001 125.07% Republican Turnout
Democrats 3,451 78.20% 1,876 66.38% % no Pres vote 5.83% 54.36% Demo Turnout
Other 220 4.99% 22 0.78% 10.00% Other Turnout
4,413 100.00% 2,826 100.00% 64.04% Total Turnout

Otero Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 35 of 45 Turnout
Republican 14,565 46.91% 13,006 68.33% Total voters 19,579 89.30% Republican Turnout
Democrats 11,198 36.06% 5,801 30.48% % no Pres vote 2.78% 51.80% Demo Turnout
Other 5,289 17.03% 228 1.20% 4.31% Other Turnout
31,052 100.00% 19,035 100.00% 61.30% Total Turnout

Quay Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 17 of 17 Turnout
Republican 1,838 29.65% 2,661 64.63% Total voters 4,135 144.78% Republican Turnout
Democrats 3,817 61.58% 1,422 34.54% % no Pres vote 0.44% 37.25% Demo Turnout
Other 543 8.76% 34 0.83% 6.26% Other Turnout
6,198 100.00% 4,117 100.00% 66.42% Total Turnout

Rio Arriba Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 42 of 42 Turnout
Republican 2,875 11.58% 5,136 34.29% Total voters 15,728 178.64% Republican Turnout
Democrats 19,882 80.08% 9,737 65.00% % no Pres vote 4.76% 48.97% Demo Turnout
Other 2,072 8.35% 107 0.71% 5.16% Other Turnout
24,829 100.00% 14,980 100.00% 60.33% Total Turnout

Roosevelt Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 22 of 22 Turnout
Republican 4,508 40.72% 4,998 69.94% Total voters 7,168 110.87% Republican Turnout
Democrats 4,682 42.29% 2,083 29.15% % no Pres vote 0.31% 44.49% Demo Turnout
Other 1,881 16.99% 65 0.91% 3.46% Other Turnout
11,071 100.00% 7,146 100.00% 64.55% Total Turnout

San Juan Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 72 of 73 Turnout
Republican 28,461 51.51% 29,140 65.65% Total voters 45,237 102.39% Republican Turnout
Democrats 24,079 43.58% 14,616 32.93% % no Pres vote 1.89% 60.70% Demo Turnout
Other 2,714 4.91% 628 1.41% 23.14% Other Turnout
55,254 100.00% 44,384 100.00% 80.33% Total Turnout

San Miguel Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 29 of 29 Turnout
Republican 2,873 13.63% 3,020 27.10% Total voters 11,909 105.12% Republican Turnout
Democrats 15,494 73.50% 8,010 71.88% % no Pres vote 6.43% 51.70% Demo Turnout
Other 2,714 12.87% 113 1.01% 4.16% Other Turnout
21,081 100.00% 11,143 100.00% 52.86% Total Turnout

Sandoval Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 10 of 65 Turnout
Republican 22,278 34.84% 1,045 37.44% Total voters 0 4.69% Republican Turnout
Democrats 29,227 45.70% 1,720 61.63% % no Pres vote #DIV/0! 5.88% Demo Turnout
Other 12,446 19.46% 26 0.93% 0.21% Other Turnout
63,951 100.00% 2,791 100.00% 4.36% Total Turnout

Sante Fe Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 87 of 87 Turnout
Republican 17,407 18.39% 18,315 27.95% Total voters 66,650 105.22% Republican Turnout
Democrats 58,194 61.49% 46,553 71.04% % no Pres vote 1.68% 80.00% Demo Turnout
Other 19,033 20.11% 659 1.01% 3.46% Other Turnout
94,634 100.00% 65,527 100.00% 69.24% Total Turnout

Sierra Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 9 of 10 Turnout
Republican 3,113 42.89% 3,162 61.31% Total voters 5,286 101.57% Republican Turnout
Democrats 3,090 42.57% 1,926 37.35% % no Pres vote 2.44% 62.33% Demo Turnout
Other 1,055 14.54% 69 1.34% 6.54% Other Turnout
7,258 100.00% 5,157 100.00% 71.05% Total Turnout

Socorro Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 21 of 21 Turnout
Republican 3,784 30.41% 3,696 47.08% Total voters 8,047 97.67% Republican Turnout
Democrats 6,635 53.31% 4,025 51.27% % no Pres vote 2.44% 60.66% Demo Turnout
Other 2,026 16.28% 130 1.66% 6.42% Other Turnout
12,445 100.00% 7,851 100.00% 63.09% Total Turnout

Taos Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 36 of 36 Turnout
Republican 3,489 15.12% 3,626 24.75% Total voters 15,286 103.93% Republican Turnout
Democrats 15,523 67.26% 10,843 74.02% % no Pres vote 4.17% 69.85% Demo Turnout
Other 4,068 17.63% 180 1.23% 4.42% Other Turnout
23,080 100.00% 14,649 100.00% 63.47% Total Turnout

Torrance Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 17 of 17 Turnout
Republican 3,930 41.36% 4,019 61.92% Total voters 6,736 102.26% Republican Turnout
Democrats 4,166 43.84% 2,378 36.64% % no Pres vote 3.64% 57.08% Demo Turnout
Other 1,407 14.81% 94 1.45% 6.68% Other Turnout
9,503 100.00% 6,491 100.00% 68.30% Total Turnout

Union Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 10 of 10 Turnout
Republican 972 38.53% 1,454 77.30% Total voters 1,894 149.59% Republican Turnout
Democrats 1,393 55.21% 411 21.85% % no Pres vote 0.69% 29.50% Demo Turnout
Other 158 6.26% 16 0.85% 10.13% Other Turnout
2,523 100.00% 1,881 100.00% 74.55% Total Turnout

Valencia Co Reg Voters % Votes Cast % Precincts Rpt 36 of 37 Turnout
Republican 12,295 32.88% 14,355 55.65% Total voters 25,435 116.75% Republican Turnout
Democrats 18,780 50.22% 11,176 43.33% % no Pres vote -1.42% 59.51% Demo Turnout
Other 6,323 16.91% 264 1.02% 4.18% Other Turnout
37,398 100.00% 25,795 100.00% 68.97% Total Turnout

[lessthanjake]

42. They obviously turned out independents...

.

[silvershadow]

44. I dont understand what you are saying...Do you mean

as an example, Cibola County voted more Republican votes than there were registered Republicans? That could mean that some Democrats voted for Bush. Surely there couldn't be that many Democrats who drank the post 9-11 Kool Aid. Could there? Anyway, am not sure what those percentages represent. If you could explain where they come from it might help me. Thanks.

[0rganism]

45. "Turnout" is the wrong word. These are Democrats For Bush.

Take Rio Arriba county, for example.

Registration    number  % tot   Voted        % of vote   % of party reg
Republican  	2,875  	11.58%  5,136 bush   34.29%      178.64% 
Democrats      19,882   80.08%  9,737 Kerry  65.00% 	  48.97% 
Other  	        2,072  	 8.35%    107 other   0.71%        5.16%

In other words, when 5136 people in Rio Arriba county voted for bush, that's 178% of the total republican party registration. Assuming 100% republican turnout and 100% loyalty, there were 2300 Democrats and "Others" voting for bush. Suspicious? Yes. Blatant fraud? Not really.

If these results are accurate, it speaks to an extraordinarily high degree of defection among registered Democrats and/or independents breaking for bush.

[jsamuel]

46. Especially not obvious fraud when it was almost the same in 2000

Bush Gore
8,169 3,495

If we are smart, we will leave this alone...

[0rganism]

48. I don't know about "leaving this alone"

It wouldn't hurt to do some back-canvassing in specific counties to see what people thought they were voting for, what the primary issues were, and what the actual turnout was like. This can be done very accurately, and would go a long way toward explaining what exactly was motivating people in NM.

BTW, you've got your Gore/bush vote totals reversed.

[Nordic]

55. yeah, why leave it alone? Have somebody EXPLAIN it!

Because it's so bizarre, that while explainable, it doesn't make any real sense.

Why are there Dems, here and elsewhere, who are so fucking TIMID about this shit?

TIMIDITY WILL GET YOU YOUR ASS KICKED.

[Carolab]

50. Yeah IF you believe the numbers from 2000

Why should you rely on THOSE?

Maybe look at the Congressional Almanac for the demographics?

[Nordic]

56. exactly. Why believe anything starting in 2000?

where we KNOW fraud occurred?

when electronic voting began?

when Bush and his PNAC gangster buddies got into office with a little help from a guy named Jeb?

I am appalled at the timidity of some people on this board.

And the gullibility of some as well.

[Desertrose]

59. exactly...if the repubs have spent the last 20+ years

slowly buying the media and pushing it to the right...why is it so hard to imagine they'd start skewing elections in 2000 and continue it even more so in 2004?

Its all so blatant and some are saying "well gee, I don't know for sure... where's the proof?"

Folks need to wake up and take a serious reality check here. we are looking at the proof posted all over this board!

[sled]

57. Collier County Florida Turned out Dems +

With bells on...& Rep. out number Dems 2-1...an "evangelical" mecca, by the way, & apparently, 7066 Republicans, stayed home...turnout??? Where did they go...not to the polls...


* * * *

Registered Dems 41,082

Total Dem Votes 43,277

* * * *

Registered Rep 89,559

Total Rep Votes 82,493


http://www.colliervotes.com/

[noamnety]

58. Too many votes in Rio Arriba County precincts?

http://65.160.159.96/County17_008.htm

Kerry/Bush: 65/43%
Udall(D)/Tucker(R): 81/18%

precint 8 has 216 voters, 273 votes

precinct 9 has 261 voters, 373 votes.

precinct 10 has 333 voters, 492 votes.

precinct 11 has 527 voters, 830 votes.

and so on.

I don't think these are including absentee ballots, because the footnote says they have 41 precincts reporting, plus one for absentee votes. Am I misinterpreting that?

Some random spot checks of other counties didn't show the same pattern of overvotes. This was a county marked as having a suspiciously high rate of republican turnout - 178%.

[noamnety]

61. no precinct results for bernalillo county

This county isn't showing individual precinct results - does anyone have those?

http://65.160.159.96/County2.htm

[NMFreedom]

69. Bern County precinct results & others in NM

Here is the latest report from KOBTV with regard to Bern. county and few others in the state of New Mexico



http://www.kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer&id=14958&cat=HOME

[BrightKnight]

60. TAOS is leaning Republican!!!?

Taos is leaning Rupublican!!? Large numbers of Taos Democrats are defecting to support Bush. That requires a huge leap of faith. Can anyone actually say that with a strait face?

Someone shoud send a survey out to the Democrats of Taos and ask them how they feel about Bush.

[lefthandedskyhook]

70. That is downright wierd...

Has Rummy imported a malignant voter base???

[Duncan]

62. Caroline County Virginia went Republican for first time since 1972

and also had touch screen machines for first time. Used to have the kind with the levers. I don't know what the past margins were but would like to find out.

I'm not sure if there is a better place to post this, this is my first DU post.

[Blue in the face]

64. Caroline County Va Dems

Hey Duncan, are you in Caroline County? If you are, did you know about the 9:30am meeting tomorrow?

I worked the polls that we were supposedly lost by 400 votes. It's hard to know how to take it, but although there were a lot of good old boys down here too. Add to that the number of people who just moved in from other parts of Va and it could happen that we lost the county.

I've spoken with party officials here and they don't think their was any foul play. Does anyone think that I should do a FOIA request anyway just to see what's up? I've seen the FOIA info on the BBV webpage.

[noamnety]

63. I'm putting together a precinct level spreadsheet for NM

If someone's already done this, please let me know, because it's time consuming.

What I don't have is the registration numbers (total plus breakout) for the precincts, and the 2002 results. If anyone has that, or knows where to get it, please let me know.

[pointsoflight]

65. Don't jump to conclusions

As others in this thread have stated, don't jump to conclusions about these vote reversals until you first check the results against past elections. Some of these counties show patterns like the "dixiecrat" counties in Florida--they have high percentages of registered democrats, but have voted republican for the last several presidential elections.

The data is certainly worth looking at more closely, just be sure to look at the data from 1996 and 2000, too. Doesn't help us to point out patterns that are easily debunked!

[noamnety]

66. You're right about jumping to conclusions

But I still want to analyze it.

I still need:

2000 results
1996 results

registration info

voting machine types

if anyone can point me towards that info.

[pointsoflight]

67. Most certainly worth examining. Here ya go...

http://www.sos.state.nm.us/Election/Results.html