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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:29 PM
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Tomorrow I talk to CA SOS McPherson - what questions should I ask him?
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 08:38 PM by SnoopDog
I, and other Dems & Cons, have an opportunity tomorrow to talk to California Secretary of State Bruce McPherson. I am hoping my fellow DU'er can offer me talking points, questions, and comments.

He is the one who certified Diebold with 'conditions'. I really don't know how much time I will have or even if I will be allowed to talk but I will attend and will report back.

I have errands to run right now so I will respond back to any posts later.

Special thanks in advance to those who respond.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:35 PM
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1. I think the machines should be audit-able. Ask him how
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 08:38 PM by Peggy Day
the machines can be audited with unannounced visits.
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:37 PM
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2. Plenty of questions are raised by the latest blackboxvoting update
Forwarded with permission:
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Please forward to your lists and blogs, must include link to
http://www.blackboxvoting.org.

Now would be an excellent time to express your support
for Bruce Funk with a letter or email, to demonstrate to
county officials that he has the support of the nation.
Bruce C. Funk - Clerk/Auditor
Fax: (435) 381-5183
95 East Main
Castle Dale, Emery County
Utah 84513
funk@co.emery.ut.us

Emery County Clerk Bruce Funk has been running elections for 23 years.
He was quite content with his optical scan system. The state of Utah thought
otherwise: On Dec. 27, Funk took delivery on 40 Diebold TSx touch-screen
machines, part of a statewide directive.

"I had concerns about Diebold," says Funk, "but I thought, 'If the state is going
to mandate it, then I guess they'll assume responsibility if anything goes wrong.'"

Not so. He soon learned that he will be responsible but the state will decide
what election system will count the votes.


"YOU'RE GOING TO HATE MY GUTS ON ELECTION DAY"

Funk's concerns escalated when he heard a particularly unusual statement
by Diebold sales rep Dana LaTour.

"Some of you are going to hate my guts on Election Day," she said to the
assembly of elections officials. Later, another Diebold representative named
Drew was asked what LaTour meant when she said "Some of you are going
to hate my guts..."

"We're going to have problems on Election Day, and we're just going to have to
work through them," he said.

FAILURES RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE

Shortly after Funk received his "brand new" TSx machines, Diebold helped him
do acceptance testing. Two of the 40 machines promptly failed the test. Diebold
arranged to take them away.

The remaining machines showed several defects -- crooked paper feeds that jam,
memory card bay doors that wouldn't close, parts getting stuck, coming loose, falling off.

TAKING A CLOSER LOOK

Funk thought it might be a good idea to take a closer inventory.

He booted each machine up to check the battery. Some of the machines were
marked with little yellow dots, and he got to wondering about that, too. He studied
the screen messages, and noticed something very odd.

Most machines had about 25 MB of memory available, but some had only 7 MB of
free memory left. One had only 4 MB of available memory. For perspective, the
backup election file generated by the Diebold TSx is about 7.9 MB. Now why would
brand new voting machines have used-up memory?

TIME TO GET A MORE IN DEPTH EVALUATION

This prompted Funk to seek an evaluation. He asked Black Box Voting to help
him analyze his voting system.

After several consultations, Black Box Voting determined that the nature of the
problems in Emery County might be systemic and might be national in scope.
Therefore, we arranged for and underwrote the services of Harri Hursti and
also Security Innovation, Inc.

Neither Funk nor Black Box Voting were prepared for the depth and breadth of the
problems discovered. Based on these discoveries we will begin with a series of
articles followed by concise, but more formal reports.

PART I

Hursti quickly determined the three most likely causes of the low memory problem:

1. There might be completely different software in the machines with low memory.

2. Some machines might contain different external data

3. Or, some of the machines might have been delivered with natively different
amounts of memory available.

Hursti approached issue #2 first. If the used memory was due to external data or
archived election files stored on the system, he reasoned, removing any such files
would clear the memory. He discovered that some of the machines did contain test
election data, and he deleted the extra data. This produced only a small improvement
in available memory, however.

As for issue #1, different programs on the machines -- or, the existence of something
stored in memory which is hidden, such a find would obviously be disturbing.

Issue #3, the possibility that some machines had different amounts of memory left in
their life cycle, is particularly troubling. The technology choice Diebold made -- memory
storage consisting of flash memory, which is known to degrade over time -- carries
with it a possibility that used machines will be near the end of their memory life cycle.
If such machines were delivered to Emery County as "new," this would be like buying
a "new" car with 100,000 miles already on it.

The only thing that was known about the cause of this problem was that there were
different amounts of memory. The reason remained to be discovered. In the course of
evaluating the reason for the low memory, we learned much more about the TSx.

IS THERE AN INFRA-RED PORT FOR REMOTE COMMUNICATIONS?

Hursti also examined the remote communications capabilities of this system. He found
no infra-red (IrDA) ports.

"The whole thing here is that it's network aware even when RAS is not running. You're
not dialing out and it's network aware. And it's actually configured to use an Ethernet board..
.It's all the time network aware...Perhaps all you need is this Ethernet cord and a wireless
cord inserted and off you go."

Of course, the software would need to be installed for this kind of communications.
Unfortunately, we could find no way for elections officials to find out whether inappropriate
software is in the touch-screen.

"I haven't asked any 'pins' (Personal ID Number). It hasn't been hostile to me at all.
It's a very friendly guy," Hursti reports.

Hursti made a number of observations about the touch-screen, and connected it to
his laptop for further "conversation."

In the interest of brevity, we will return to this issue in a later article in this series.

A "SHOCKING" DISCOVERY

It's common for polling places to have too few outlets for a bank of voting machines.
The normal cure is to set up hook the computers up in a daisy-chain configuration, with
one plug to the wall, and the rest of the plugs linking voting machines together.

Diebold's output plug falls out readily, exposing live 110 volt wall outlet power on
bare wires.

This happened on every TSx we tested, and presents a significant safety hazard for
poll workers, especially the elderly. According to Hursti, the electrocution might only
result in a burned hand, and probably wouldn't be fatal.

This is a design flaw worthy of a general recall for standard consumer and office electronics.

DIEBOLD: DOWN FOR THE COUNT?

While analyzing the memory storage problem, Hursti discovered a critical security
hole in the foundation of the touch-screen. Then he found another in the "lobby,"
and another on the "first floor." Taken together, these present a potentially catastrophic
security hole.

These are not programming errors, but architectural design decisions.

Black Box Voting is turning the "road map" of the most dangerous security findings
over to the proper authorities. We won't let anybody sit on this for very long because
elections are looming and elections officials need to know what to do now.

A concise and more formal report will be released in a few weeks, and this will
discuss the procedures for preparing a recovery path for these security holes.

TWO THINGS WE HAVE LEARNED ALREADY:

1. Source code reviews alone are NOT sufficient. Access to fully functional
systems MUST accompany source code reviews.

2. Honest election officials and citizens again take the lead in learning the truth
about voting machines. We ask for maximum public support for Bruce Funk, who
showed courage and commitment to responsible elections. The important and
effective work of Utah voting integrity advocates Kathy Dopp
(http://www.uscountvotes.org) and Jocelyn Strait should be applauded by fellow
activists. They have played an important role to inspire this study in Utah, which may
in turn assist with efforts in many other states.

* * * * *

Black Box Voting is a nonpartisan, nonprofit 501c(3) organization dedicated to
investigating issues of election accuracy and fairness.

Conducting testing like this carries a particularly staggering expense load for
a small nonprofit. If you wish to support these efforts, and more like them, you
can donate by:

clicking http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html

or mail check to:

Black Box Voting
330 SW 43rd St. Suite K
PMB 547
Renton WA 98055

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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:41 PM
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6. Wow! My response seems somewhat limp after that!
That is a very informative post. Thanks.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:37 PM
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3. Does he support paper ballots or a paper trail beyond computers?
If not why not?
How does he view the Diebold controversy? Is it just partisan politics so he hasn't
even paid attention to the arguments?
Does he have any interest we may not know about in rushing Diebold machines into service.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:37 PM
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4. Remember he was appointed, not elected
and he probably wants the job when he has to be on the ballot.
Ask him about if the situation were reversed (democrats with control), would he trust the voting machines then?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:39 PM
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5. Rec'd so a lot of people will have a chance to give input.
Still thinking, myself.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:50 PM
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7. Why do Diebold's Touch-Screen Voting Machines Have Built-In Wireless Infra
Why do Diebold's Touch-Screen Voting Machines Have Built-In Wireless Infrared Data Transfer Ports?
IrDA Protocol Can 'Totally Compromise System' Without Detection, Warns Federal Voting Standards Website
So far, no state or federal authority -- to our knowledge -- has dealt with this alarming security threat


We hate to pile on... (Or do we?) But, really, with all the recent discussion of California Sec. of State Bruce McPherson's mind-blowing about-face re-certification of Diebold -- against state...

We hate to pile on... (Or do we?)

But, really, with all the recent discussion of California Sec. of State Bruce McPherson's mind-blowing about-face re-certification of Diebold -- against state law, we hasten to add -- this may be a good time to point out one small item that we've been meaning to mention for a while.

As Jody Holder's recent comment points out, McPherson's silly "conditions" for re-certification of Diebold in California require a few much-less-than-adequate knee-jerk "safe guards" towards protection of the handling of the hackable memory cards in Diebold's voting machines. (Here's McP's full "Certificate of Conditional Certification").

Never mind, as Holder mentions, that the protective seals to be required are easily peeled away without tearing. Or that such voting machines have been stored in poll workers houses for weeks leading up to an election. More to the point, for the moment, there are ways to manipulate the information on those memory cards even without removing them or breaking the seals. This is more of a concern than ever, since it was recently proven, by the now-infamous Harri Hursti hack in Leon County, FL, that changing the information on the memory cards can force election results to be flipped...without a trace being left behind.

On that note, here's the little item we've been meaning to point out. It's a photograph from the side of a Diebold AccuVote TSx TS6 touch-screen voting machine:


http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002458.htm
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 08:54 PM
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8. I am an election judge, and
here is what my elections administrator says about election technology (it's a paraphrase):

If you vote on a paper ballot and count them at the precinct with optical scanners, then if your voting equipment goes down, you can always continue to vote on the paper ballots and put them in the lockbox and count them later. If you vote on a voting machine and it goes down, who knows when it will be fixed?

Furthermore, problems with voting machines and / or tabulations can lead to a real crisis in confidence in the accuracy of the vote. When it comes to voter confidence, making marks on paper is the best way to go.

(See story: http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=16299334&BRD=2290&PAG=461&dept_id=473478&rfi=8 )
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:08 PM
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9. ask him FOR HIS RESIGNATION immediately nt
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:12 PM
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11. Would that be a talking point, a question, or a comment...?
That would be a great line to say to him... ....maybe, as he is leaving!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:27 PM
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13. just say "on behalf of the voters of california I will accept...." nt
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:09 PM
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10. Thanks, all, for your posts...
I will compile these responses for tomorrow.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:19 PM
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12. you generally get 2 minutes, counted
so prepare one great question only. otherwise they will not hear what you say.
he just approved diebold machines for california in spite of the fact that they cannot pass federal or california standards.
Good luck!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 09:44 PM
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14. I'd ask him why he felt compelled to certify Diebold in California
before he got any of the reports back.

Was he under some kind of outside deadline? :shrug:


Thanks for doing this.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:02 PM
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15. Sotto voce: "How can you sleep at night?" Aloud: "Paper ballots, ink pens"
Paper ballots, ink pens, optical scanners, lock boxes, local tabulation.

If it's good enough for the Afghans, Iraqis, Canadians, and the rest of the world -- why isn't it good enough for Americans?

Btw, thanks for asking, and good luck to you.

Hekate

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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:30 PM
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16. Thanks... DU has some of the brightest and creative people around...
I'll report tomorrow what I learn.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:30 PM
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17. Ask him how many attorney hours went into drafting the TSx certification
I'd ask him why the conditional "certification" he issued for the TSx makes it the responsibility of the vendor and the counties to ensure that the TSx meets federal guidelines.

Sure sounds like he's taking NO RESPONSIBILITY for having allowed a machine into the state that he himself, in reality, refuses to back. He's abdicated his duty as SoS, and has left the voters of the state at the mercy of unqualified equipment.

Additionally, he has exposed the state taxpayers to the potential liability should the machines be used, and the potential that the counties will either not be reimbursed for HAVA expenditures, and/or may well have to replace the Diebold equipment without the benefit of HAVA funding.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:40 PM
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18. Check out the OP message from CA's Senator Debra Bowen at this link:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:19 PM
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19. Good luck with the meeting SnoopDog...........Go get em......nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:55 PM
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20. helderheid: "Please...print that photo and hand it out at local meetings!"
Posted on DU, here: helderheid's Political Ramblings

Bet on a Bet but Not on a Ballot

By Richard Morin
Washington Post Thursday, March 16, 2006; Page A02

It's easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman.

That's because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America's voting machines, Freeman writes in a book out in July that argues, among other things, that President Bush may owe his last win to an unfair vote count.

The Stanford Political Communication Lab experiments are serious research studies, designed to test real hypotheses on important issues in political science, sociology and psychology. The link below will take you to the lab's Web site where you can take part in the experiments.


We'll wait to read "Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count" before making a judgment about that. But Freeman has http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2006/03/16/GR2006031600213.html">assembled comparisons (see below) that suggest Americans protect their vices more than they guard their voting rights, according to data he presented at an October meeting of the American Statistical Association chapter in Philadelphia.



How To Steal an Election

GRAPHIC: The Washington Post - March 16, 2006
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 12:54 AM
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21. Ask him where the old McPherson of Santa Cruz County went.
He was known around here as a man of principles and integrity. We'd like to know where that man has gone.

Peace.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 03:52 AM
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22. Ask him how he expects to detect fraud or errors with only a 1% audit.
A county with 1000 machines with 5% of them corrupted only has a 40% chance of finding even one corrupt machine with a 1% audit. Whose idea was this anyway?

Also ask him why he's certifying voting systems without the VVPAT read-back capability for disabled voters and why they aren't suing him over it.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 09:50 AM
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23. QUESTION: NOBODY THINKS IT HAS ANY CREDIBILITY IF SOMEONE
PROPOSES TO COUNT OUR VOTES IN SECRET IN A ROOM SOMEWHERE THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE. PEOPLE WOULD LAUGH. SO WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT WHEN DIEBOLD OR SEQUIOA GET TO COUNT ELECTRONIC VOTES IN SECRET SOMEWHERE THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 11:14 AM
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25. I thought of something this morning. Contractors "count" our
votes in secret.

When was the last time you hired a contractor that required NO supervision whatsoever?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:14 PM
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28. And no way to verify the results? Usually when you hire contractors, you
have some way to know if they've delivered the goods as promised.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:45 AM
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24. Ask him if they have a back up procedure for any of the computers in the
SOS office?

Does he ever make a copy of anything (paper or computer) that he'd like to put his hands on later?

Does he get a copy of his CC purchases when he buys something as simple as dinner out or a tank of gas? the ATM slip for withdraws and deposits?

He does all of those things because he's not 1000% certain that file or email or whatever will be there, in good shape when he needs to use that info again.

Because computers (and the people who run them) do sometimes make mistakes. The paper is his proof of whatever the transaction was supposed to be.

If he doesn't trust the restaurant not to overbill him by $25, how can he possibly trust something as valuable as our votes to a computer with no back up?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 12:41 PM
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26. Ask him why he thinks other states are banning the
very same machines he is putting in to place?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 02:12 PM
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27. I missed this thread. So I wish you much success instead.
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