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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:29 AM
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The money pit: Diebold vs. America
Edited on Thu May-11-06 01:43 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
By Denis Wright
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_790.shtml

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Georgia has been told by Diebold that its three-year old machines cannot be upgraded to produce a voter verified paper ballot. They recommend that Georgia "toss and buy new" machines if paper ballots are required (Verbal testimony by Senator Stephens at SLOGO hearing). At a huge additional cost, of course. Additionally, the state's "pilot program" to have paper ballots in 2006 has dropped from three counties to merely three precincts, and even those will have only one machine with a printer. So this provides only three machines statewide that can produce a paper ballot in a state that had a 14 percent undervote in the 2004 Democratic Primary and Diebold is making the state rent these machines at astronomical costs.

Georgians have already spent over $100 million on a voting system that has been proven over and over to be faulty, yet they want taxpayers to spent more. The $54 million dollar figure cited by Cathy Cox's office is a lie. Given the costs of programming, ballot creation and new purchases, the cost to Georgia voters exceeds $116 million dollars. And there is NO legislative oversight. Any public forums are shut down as soon as the questions start.

Dr. Brit Williams is the chief consultant from Kennesaw State University who performed the certification test on the Diebold touchscreen machines used for the state of Georgia. At the March 9, 2005, meeting of The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Technical Guidelines Development Committee, Williams said, "Right now the primary use of wireless technology in a voting system is to program voting stations. Because if I have got 3,000 voting stations and I have to load those with pc cards, then I have got to sit down and manufacture 3,000 pc cards, and keep them separated by precinct. Whereas if I could sit in my warehouse and load those ballot images wirelessly, there is a tremendous advantage."

Our vote is sacred -- the centrality of honest, transparent vote tallying to the necessary level of trust that underlies the basic contract between the people and their government. Who does Cathy Cox work for? The citizens of Georgia or the shareholders of Diebold? I personally think the answer is quite obvious.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:38 AM
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1. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I have an Idea, let just trash the Diebold machines and buy some pens and paper!


Here's another story in LBN too: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2276009>
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:45 AM
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2. And another Diebold story here
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:55 AM
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3. Five months to get this crap fixed!!
States need to stop trying to fix Diebold and return to hand counting.
Every Single Ballot..marked with a damn Sharpie black marker.

A mere black 'X' in the prefered box...
Enough is enough.

After the November elections is TOO LATE to bitch and moan about the usless Diebold malfunctions.
FIVE MONTHS Left!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:30 AM
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8. You bet, this is the only solution.
We can make a difference at the margins if our party leaders pound the table real hard and say real loud: "Do not screw up this election or you'll be sorry" to the vendors and the Boards of Elections. Really nail them hard, over and over.

However, you're right. There isn't time. We can do paper in 3 weeks prior to an election, on a lazy guy schedule. Don't listen to people who say ballots are too complex to put on paper and that we need to add printers to crappy machines to produce a ballot that will never be used officially. I grew up in CA and voted with my more from age 3 through 18. The ballots were complex then because CA has a direct amendment process to the constitution and there are always lots of initiatives. So the F what! Doing that on a machine is really no easier and the damn machines violate our fundamental right to view view and examine vote taking, counting, and reporting.

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:15 AM
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4. KICK-N-RECOMMENDED.... nt
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:17 AM
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5. .
:mad:

k+r
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:41 AM
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6. This Must Not Stand
and Georgia needs to be able to sue Diebold for every penny plus punitive damages, and they should have 110% support from all of Congress and the Judicial Branch (even the Unitorious Executiver branch should side with Georgia--but that's too far beyond even the fantasy of having Congress or the Courts stand up for the Democratic Rights of Americans).

More and more it looks like we need a new government; new, citizen supported/funded elections for the Presidency, and every seat in Congress... and perhaps a means to re-select Federal Judges and the Supreme Court. Of course, such unheard of elections would be done by the simplest, most rigourously secure methods and certainly leave a clear paper trail. It seems we need an ability to call for public referendums; the ability to do something like various parliamentary systems do--to call for a vote of no confidence to change the government as well as the ability to call for an unscheduled re-election for any position within government (requiring the office-holder to run again to be considered for continuing office or to require their removal and replacement by the winner of a newly called election in which the prior office holder is not allowed to participate--it would depend on the circumstances). This power must extend to calling for new appointments for judges to replace those who've offended a supermajority of the citizens. Sure, it must be difficult to implement such changes, but it shouldn't be so hard to call for the referendum. Upon recieving the results of such a referendum, if a supermajority (such as 66.66% or perhaps even slightly higher) is achieved, the process would move forward. Either immediate removal with an appointed temporary stand-in, or allow the individual to continue during the preparations for the new election (which should be a process that we have designed and prepared for so that the whole show can be performed inside of three months (or some similarly short span)).

Even if we had the foregoing capabilities--at this point, we'd literally have to call for referendums on nearly every currently elected official. It's possible, I suppose that we could select the primary movers and shakers and that would be enough to reign in (put the fear of God (the People, rather)) into most of the remaining bunch in order to make them respect their oath of office and attend to their "real" duty--to represent the People and to Defend the Constitution of the United States (as it is, one might call it the Untied States) of America.

The root of the problem lies in Campaign Finance and with the country's Corporations who use their money to achieve power over our elected officials (who need the money to greedily hang onto the power of their office--regardless of the quality of their performance). Our elected "leaders" do not answer to us--we can be taken for granted because, for the most part, we can be manipulated through the use of money to buy advertising to control what we get to see, hear and read. No, they answer to their sources of money, the Corporations primarily. So, our real war is against the corrupting influence of 'big money'/Corporations... yet, the only way we can control our government is through the occasional election--hence we have three needs: (1) be able to call for replacement of offending office holders including holding replacement elections, (2) truly reforming campaign finance to allow and even footing for any fairly qualified person to run for office, and (3) take massive regulatory control over all forms of mass media to ensure that such power to manipulate the minds/knowledge/worldviews of citizens be done in an honest and fair manner (competition once helped to ensure competing views were heard, but with an oligopoly consisting of mega-Media Corporations controling both the market and what information reaches the public, honesty and fairness do not in any way apply to our public information/mass media systems). One: the power to hold our leaders accountable mid-term (Public Referendum), two: remove primary mechanism of corrupting them (Campaign Finance), and three: control and restore freedom to the primary mechanism by which public opinion is formed (MSM).

Sure, we can't make progress on any such things while ruled by our current leaders. Plus, for the citizens/electorate to be able to call for impeachment/removal/replacement of a sitting elected official would require an Amendment to the Constitution--which is not something to be undertaken lightly; we would need some serious academic/legal research and debate--but it seems reasonable and appropriate (things move much faster and the power of our leaders is vastly greater now--we can ill afford to wait years to remove a corrupt or functioning lunatic from office). Without proper controls and regulations, neither does a free market remain "free" nor does the content provided by the media giants--we must regulate them and break-up their virtual monopoly over information. We must restore the "fourth estate" to once again serve as a marketplace of ideas.

Small steps, such as restoring a minimal balance in Congress between Democrats and Republicans may help prevent the situation from growing worse--but it's intolerably bad already. Even if we managed a total Democratic majority, we wouldn't be in the best of shape--we'd be facing the enormous problems left to us by the Republicans, and it could take decades to merely undo that damage--much less actually make any progress. Plus, given that Democrats are loathe to ignore laws and decisively force compliance--or rather, the desire to move forward by achieving consensus even with a helpless minority (that itself would want to reciprocate with destruction, while obstructing in every way possible), our recovery would be even slower. Of course, having experienced single-party rule, the People probably won't be wanting to give Democrats the same chance at such power. Perhaps reasonably so because, even though it's generally less common, corruption and misplaced allegiance (such as to Corporations for their financial contributions) does occur with Democrats too (and if they were a majority, the Corporations would be striving to provide Democrats with heretofore unknown opportunities for temptation).

Again and again, it seems there's no happy way forward. Worse, it seems that without a truly severe and determined struggle against the current status-quo, we're doomed to face ever worsening conditions. This is a path we cannot afford to continue to follow, and with every day we do, we come closer to the instance in which any alternative (at all) will be not only preferrable, but urgently necessary. That is terrible beyond most people's imaginings.

Lest we fix our electoral woes--and ensure valid, fair and honest elections; it's over. Say goodbye to the America we once knew. It's that serious and more. What have we done, though. We've tried and tried; courageous individuals all over the country have tried to use their offices to correct the problem. They've relied upon the system to respond to their efforts--it hasn't. Georgia is a fine example; after all those efforts, to have only one printer in several precints for the entire state? No hope for a proper election. The waste of $116 million taxpayer dollars actually destroyed any hope for honest elections. No hope of getting the money back or punishing the guilty Corporations (even if they could bring suit, would the get a 'pro-business' "Conservative" judge?).

We haven't done enough. Do we really think we'll win enough seats in November under these circumstances? Republicans are running scared though... doesn't that mean something? No, alas, because most of them don't really know for sure that the voting system has been hacked in their favor. So, really, if they're scared, they're needlessly so.

Will we have a Democratic Leader rise up with a plan and achieve a sufficient groundswell of support from the party's base to be able to ensure some truth in the elections? They would have to do so despite both recieveing zero positive coverage from the Media and being thwarted at every level of government. Still, without such a leader to organize the people--get used to speaking Republican.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:26 AM
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7. Thank you, K&R.
See the whole sordid history, American Coup II "Scoop" Independent News...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/usacoup.html

Thanks, Great post. :patriot:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:11 AM
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9. Great article
Kick!
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:22 AM
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10. Wireless rigging of voting machines now easy
from the article: ""Right now the primary use of wireless technology in a voting system is to program voting stations..."

Which means machines can be re-programmed wirelessly by anybody within radio range. Elsewhere in the building, driving by on the street, wherever.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:39 AM
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11. It's ALWAYS been easy
Wireless capability has ALWAYS been a part of these machines.

If you have any doubt, see Brit Williams' comments in the OP. Georgia uses the TS-R6, not the fancy TSx.

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:47 AM
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12. a chimpanzee should be able to beat her in a election
because even a monkey couldn't waste as much money as Cathy Cox did.

All someone would have to do is show a chart of all the money spent on Diebold
and compare it to the money needed for schools, medicaid, medicines, you name it.

Just hold her accountable.

This is an example of what you can expect from Cathy Cox - senseless waste
of gigantic sums of money, unreliable and controversial voting machines.

She will make other equally stupid decisions in the future.
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 04:44 PM
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13. If you know anyone in Georgia, make SURE they see this article! n/t
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:27 AM
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14. time to dump and replace with optical scans
time to ask for money back
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:36 AM
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15. I think that's a PERFECT resolution
A voter verified paper ballot - first source, filled out by the VOTER'S hand - and toss the DREs in the landfill.

Georgia needs to do a "trade-in" for Optical Scanners.

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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:41 AM
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16. Diebold needs to foot the bill
Diebold lied.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:45 AM
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18. What bill?
Optical scanners are cheaper than DREs. They'll owe Georgia a refund.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:44 AM
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17. Some additional data from the AJC
Georgia's 4-year-old voting devices looking old

Cox continues to stand by her choice, saying, "It would have been irresponsible to have done nothing." She noted that New York state was recently sued by the U.S. Department of Justice for failing to replace its aging voting machines as part of new election guidelines set forth by Congress. By contrast, Georgia was the first in the nation to implement an electronic touch-screen machine system statewide.

"I'm proud that Georgia was first, and that we have moved from second-worst to second-best in the nation in the accuracy of the vote count," Cox said in a written statement.

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Rick Dent, spokesman for rival Democratic candidate Mark Taylor, assailed Cox's achievements in a blog on Taylor's campaign Web site last week, writing: "Don't talk about giving Georgia a new voting system because you've now admitted your $70 million voting system doesn't work."

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"I just stopped cold and thought about that because that brings up ... obvious questions," Stephens said. "Was there some kind of built-in obsolescense to the machines we bought? Has technology moved so quickly that a 4-year-old machine is not worth anything? My biggest and most immediate concern was, 'Oh my gosh, how much taxpayer money will it cost to replace all of those machines?'"

Stephens — who voted in 2001 for legislation clearing the way for electronic voting — said he believes Cox "probably" made the right decision "based on technology at the time." But he said the next secretary of state, whether it's him or another candidate, will face a difficult decision.

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A Diebold spokesman confirmed that the company would be willing to develop a paper trail for Georgia's machines, but acknowledged it doesn't currently produce or sell such a device.

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Since 2002, the state has used $2.6 million of federal money made available for voting improvements to purchase an additional 955 Diebold machines, bringing the total to 24,751. The state also has spent an additional $19.2 million on supporting technology for the machines, bringing the total investment to more than $75 million in federal money.

Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0430metvoter.html
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