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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:43 PM
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Bev's Infamous Air America Meltdown
Last week Bev Harris of Black Box Voting published -- with great fanfare -- a report detailing what it characterized as a "new" and "critical" security vulnerability1 in touchscreen voting terminals manufactured by Diebold Election Systems. Shortly after the report was issued, however, BBV was exposed as merely attempting to pass off as their own work an issue that had been previously documented in a widely-publicized security evaluation by RABA Technologies some two full years earlier2. Therefore, it is in what we sincerely hope reflects a faithful tribute to the BBV-inspired spirit of re-hashing two year-old public information and posting it online as though it were "new", that Black Box Watchdog is pleased to present the following annotated transcript of Bev Harris' now infamous appearance on the Randi Rhodes show on December 14, 2004.

Background

In the days immediately after the 2004 election, Black Box Voting embarked on a massive fundraising spree. Election fraud was alleged by BBV Executive Director Bev Harris, and money was required to prove it in court. Recounts were needed in areas with "suspicious" results, and money was required to fund them4. BBV had filed what it claims was 3,000 public records requests under the Freedom of Information Act, and money was required to obtain the documents5. Does one detect a recurring theme? Given the election result and the consequent anger from progressives, much of BBV's solicitation of funds at that time was directed towards that community and the community responded. Exactly how much money was actually raised remains unknown: despite repeated requests, Ms. Harris has refused to divulge any financial details. What is known is this:

1. BBV was involved, along with the National Ballot Integrity Project with the setup of Help America Recount6,7 which ultimately raised at least $115,000 for recounts in Ohio and Florida8. No public accounting of the money has ever been made by any of those organizations. None of the money raised contributed to a single recount in Ohio or Florida or anywhere else. Those funds were eventually re-allocated to pursue a recount in New Mexico instead. That recount never occurred either. As of last week, none of those organizations has ever publicly released any financial records despite numerous requests.
2. Ms. Harris actively solicited additional funds -- initially $50,0009-- to pay for public records requests served to approximately 3,000 counties, stating that BBV would publish those records online for public inspection and analysis in the search for fraud or election problems. Pursuant to that end, Ms. Harris appeared on Randi Rhodes' Air America radio program in November, 2004 to solicit funds for this purpose. As of last week, BBV appears to have published selected voting machine audit logs from exactly four counties, all in Florida, representing roughly 0.1% of all the allegedly requested records.
3. Based on BBV's post-election goals as stated publicly by Ms. Harris, Randi Rhodes independently encouraged her audience to donate funds to BBV. The total number of those donations is unknown and will likely remain unknown. Ms. Harris has put the number at approximately $23,500 based primarily on annotations on specific donations10, but that number does not include donations without a specific tag or annotation. Ms. Harris' former book publisher suggests that over $176,000 was raised in a single 5-hour period on November 5, 2004 after Ms. Harris' original interview with Randi Rhodes, based on statements from her credit card processor11. A former BBV insider put the total amount collected closer to $1 million, but that insider has since died and thus cannot be reached for additional confirmation.
4. Despite Harris' post-election claims that "fraud took place", no incidents of actual election fraud in the 2004 election have ever been documented or published by Black Box Voting. It remains unknown how much money was actually spent on or raised for this purpose.

lots more . . .

http://blackboxwatchdog.com/node/13
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:46 PM
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1. Pissing contest, Part Deux?
Isn't this beaten horse dead? What am I missing here?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:49 PM
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3. Are you referring to election 2000, or Bev? n/t


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #3
94. The linked site..blackboxwatchdog
Is a Diebold shill. It is full of pro-Diebold information.

Don't click on the link and read through looking for the pro-Diebold information, just trust me. <grin>
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #94
99. The hell it is - they're just telling the truth about Bev Harris
Our Mission

We have no political agenda. We don't espouse one party or the other, and we believe that both Democrats and Republicans stand to gain from clean elections. If you're of a similar mind, then welcome: you have a home here.

We want to improve the election system. We don't believe this is accomplished by smearing public officials on the internet. Education and awareness are key to electoral reform. We think misinformation can only serve to confuse the issue; we'll therefore do our best to halt its spread wherever we find it. And we believe it's irresponsible to ambush vendors or their products in the media without attempting to work with them to resolve any problems first. Ultimately we all have the same goals until proven otherwise, and we'll publicize those who don't.

Finally, a message for those opportunists whose sole aim is to enrich themselves on the backs of real activists, at the expense of meaningful reform: we're on to you. You know who you are. And soon, everyone else will too.
http://blackboxwatchdog.com/about
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #99
102. You should probably publish the disclaimer at the bottom of the page
You know, the one that claims the site has no affiliation with any vendor or activists.

Haarf!

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. Sorry, not my site........but.....
maybe you should email them and make the suggestion?

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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #104
114. Good idea, because I want them to harvest my IP
Edited on Thu May-25-06 10:19 AM by mmarcus
But that site already nicks its visitors with other tracking devices.

Hurry! Visit the BBmutt site so you, too, can get some cookies and tracking on your computer. Better yet, email them so Diebold can harvest your email IP.

Edit, email so they can harvest both your IP and your email. Just what I want Diebold to have, don't you?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #114
116. Awwwww, wazz the matter, afraid of a little bitty web site?
Well, you should exit DU in a big hurry.......cause they got them some tracking and cookies over here to!!!!!!

Trying to frighten off visitors who might get a taste of the truth. My, my......was it Kathleen or Catherine who did that the other day on Bev's site?

Hmmmmmm.........Kathleen, is that you?

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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #116
118. Hey, is it fun posting on Yahoo Diebold finance board?
It's exciting to try an salvage the stock price for them, isn't it!

Unfortunately nobody intelligent gets their stock tips from the Yahoo message board.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #118
120. Wouldn't know.....never done it. But I thought that was Maddy!
Getting your demons mixed up again, I see.

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #114
153. Oooooh! Howzabout Bev's cookies? Scared of her tracking you?
Hyperventilate much?

Jeebus! Bev puts cookies from her site that are far more long-lasting than those from the OP link! By your reasoning - when people visit & sign up at bev's black hole, are you telling us she harvests both your IP and your email. Just what I want bev to have, NOT!

You are aware, aren't you, that most websites give out cookies to all the good little trick or treaters - if people don't want 'em ... delete or block 'em. If you're not aware of that - well, it explains alot!

blackboxwatchdog.com cookies expire:
23 days 10 hours 4 minutes 56 seconds


bev nasties expire:
bbvforums.org
365 days 6 hours 56 minutes 34 seconds



Awfully reminiscent of the old :crazy:chicken little agent mike terra-terra don't look there look over here:crazy: bev bullshit!

Y'all need to get up a new act before going on the road! This one's shopworn.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #99
105. Keep reading
It goes down from there. In fact, it goes down so far that it's on it's knees in front of the company by the time you get through news and investigations.

It all but claims Diebold machines are the best thing since sliced bread!

Shamefull!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #105
106. Reading is fundamental...............
but comprehension is critical.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #106
108. Yep,
That is precisely why I am being critical of the site. I comprehend.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #108
122. So, Diebold made up the Bev MP3 too, huh?
Or did you miss that on your "comprehensive" visit to the site?

Wow, Diebold is EVERYWHERE.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #122
128. Of course they didn't.
And I will attest to having heard it live, too.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #128
129. Yeah, well I heard it as well
But, you know.......these folks are making all kinds of allegations.

I was just trying to see how far they might go.

But, damn, they up and disappear!

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. That she continues to collect money for this enterprise.
And is doing so without tangible results or any public accounting.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Bingo
We have a winner.
:)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. Yes, I've been noticing not a great deal of results....
I would like to see an accounting to restore faith, but currently there is none.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #20
107. There's no results because Bev Harris is living it up in Rio de Janeiro
No, wait. Got that wrong. She bought jewels and hid them in her basement.

Damn, hate it when I do that, to clarify, it was that short-selling of Diebold stock that paid for them jewels. It was the embezzlement from Randi Rhodes that paid for her luxury condo in Rio. Or -- wait -- she embezzled funds to make a movie. Er, just a minute let me check my notes.

OK. Now I have it, it was the payoff she got from George Bush, who is her friend, and he paid her to kill Andy Stephenson. Make a note of it, condo in Rio bought by George Bush, embezzled funds from Randi Rhodes used for golden toilet fixtures and the short-selling of Diebold stock bought the jewels.

With all that shopping, it's a wonder she has time to eat your children.

Oh, I almost forgot: She'll get her karma
(Maps for nutcases, PM me!)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #107
121. Condo in Rio... ROFLMAO
Marcus, welcome to DU.

Just be careful, many a new person, and old, come to think of it, have gotten into trouble fighting the slanted material we sometimes have to wade through. I'd hate to see you get into trouble.

Otherwise, Kerry On!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #121
123. So, is the Bev Harris MP3 fabricated?
By Diebold?

And Randi's voice.........DAMN, that sounds just like her!

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #107
135. Joking about Andy is NOT COOL
Andy is dead. Can't you leave him alone? Joking about his death is disgusting.

Oh, yeah. Welcome to DU. :eyes:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #107
139. Why joke about a dead man
who was much loved here?

How tacky. :puke:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. I have no idea what you are talking about
But I think there is a thread about that horse - Barbaro - in GD or maybe LBN.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. With all due respect, this seems like a rehash of an old issue.
This subject was very divisive on the MB here at DU and ended up being a brawl that the mods had to step in on. Unless I'm mistaken, it appears to be a continuation of a legitimate cause (Vote Fraud) from a woman with illegitimate accounting.

Maybe I just have a little Fight Fatigue from the Truthout and Duke Rape threads.

Oh, well....:popcorn:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. First sentence of OP-
Last week Bev Harris of Black Box Voting published -- with great fanfare -- a report detailing what it characterized as a "new" and "critical" security vulnerability1 in touchscreen voting terminals manufactured by Diebold Election Systems.

So it looks like an old issue resurfacing recently.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #16
117. I know it! This is why we should get our news from Diebold Disinfo
I have a question.

Is it legal for a publicly traded company to have a disinformation website?

(just wondering)
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #117
119. Oh! I get it now. Bev Harris lying on the radio is Diebold Disinfo!
Thank you for clearing that up!

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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. Uh, it appears some like to dig up the corpses and feast on them
yet again in a gory display of

Told ya so Told ya so...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. No, it is because she is still at it.
Until she stops, this is still a current item.

Or do you think that grifters should be able to work unmolested?
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. What??!?? She eats babies??!! OMG...
The complete and total mass hysteria that appears on this board at the mere mention of her name detracts from the story and has done so for well over a year.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #33
172. That's for sure. Don't dare mention any good experience with or
anything about her.

First you should already KNOW all about it, and if you don't then you must be in cahoots with her. That is if there is something to be in cahoots with her about.

It sure gets me feeling gracious towards the accusers of BBV and Bev when that kind of reaction happens. (NOT)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #28
75. Do you really not know that Grifter is still at it or are you just
being playful?

lol
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
136. Sfexpat200, read post 123
Disgusting, shameful and way beyond the pale. After all that Andy went through, this new DUer wants to joke about his death.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #136
138. I think you mean post #107
Right?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. Sorry - - I was just so angry!!
#107 is the one I meant.

Sorry, btd!!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. And now I'm even angrier!
Bev in her own words:

I do not think I've seen him, personally, say that he has pancreatic cancer. That is a diagnosis put forward on his behalf by others, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt very much that he is dying, but that does not mean that he is not at risk. I will say this: Someone in my immediate family, whom I adored, died of pancreatic cancer. We lost him in six months, he was in considerable pain, and he certainly would have been unable to travel around the country, looking plump, cherubic and rosy-cheeked, giving speeches.

-- Bev Harris, 05/15/200526

(a post by Stephenson on a message board), more than anything else, has convinced me that Andy does not have cancer, and I seriously doubt that he has received any scary prognosis.

-- Bev Harris, 06/01/200527
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. Disgusting, isn't it?
Unbelievable.

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #143
147. It is disgusting
I wouldn't be surprised if she was involved with "scamdy" - not surprised at all.

:thumbsdown:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #147
148. There's no doubt
Remember........the first Scamdy registration was in David Allen's name with a phone number only Bev (and a select few) had.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #141
160. that is DISGUSTING!
:puke:

:nuke:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
35. To you, yes
The newer readers need to be kept aware so that they are not taken in by her. We have much better organizations, not headed by a mentally unstable (IMO) woman who keeps claiming stuff as hers that other people have done and collecting money for who knows what? Lots of money still going in and no tangible results coming out.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #35
93. It just made the news! Bev Harris is the cause of global warming!
It's on CNN right now! Hurry!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. And where are her tax filings for that year?
Edited on Wed May-24-06 04:54 PM by benburch
They are STILL not on Guidestar.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Good question
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
124. It certainly is. For example, are they....filed?
Scandalous. I tell you, somebody ought to call Keith Olbermann. No wait, this is huge: CALL 60 MINUTES! NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION'S 990 FORM DISCOVERED FILED WITH IRS!!!!!!!

:wow:

We must put a stop to this filing of tax returns.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. She should start her on church or something.
That way, when she looks in the mirror, she can truly believe in a higher calling and not just whoring for money. She can call it The Church of Bev.

How much is democracy worth...Bev knows...Bush knows...do we know?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. She already has worshippers. nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. It kinda creeps me out.
Edited on Wed May-24-06 05:11 PM by Rex
Mind you, she ain't the only one with worshipers. Just one of the stranger ones.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. Give it a minute or 2 - they'll come creeping out of the woodwork!
Spinning like tops.


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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. As they have!
See below.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
55. Bevbots.
Must be nice to have no thought independent of the crap with which she's filled their heads.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #55
95. Thank my lucky stars you mentioned this. It's mind control!
Yuss, that's what it iss. It iss de secret potion! Bev Harris stole millions from Randi Rhodes and used it to invent mind control!

Whew. That was a close one! Bev Harris was stealing the process of independent thought from the world but you caught her in the act!

Maddy McCall: Nobel Peace Prize 2006, for her work in saving independent thought.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. Do you always go around attacking DUers
like this?

I'm really surprised to see you still here.

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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #98
113. I'm not attacking her, I'm recommending her for the Nobel Prize
Let's add a Pulitzer as well, for the fine journalism performed in quest of the mind control story.

I'm sure glad that's out now. No drinking of secret potions now that we've warned 'em!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #113
115. Can't handle the truth, I see
Anyone telling the truth about Bev Harris is a "Diebold" plant/site.

So, tell me........how is it that repeating a real live version of Bev Harris on ANY website make that web site a Diebold one?

Seriously........I don't see much ABOUT Diebold over there. Just Bev.

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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
9. Bev is an opportunist preying on anyone with a genuine
interest in fair voting. Until she reveals where all that money went, she should be avoided like the plague.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. IF Anyone Should Have Open Books...
and Verifiable Accounting... it should be Black Box Voting. Otherwise they're among the most hypocritical of organizations. After all, it's openness and verifiability that they're pursuing (they claim, and a laudable goal) in the collecting and counting of votes; surely the same rules should apply to themselves...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:10 PM
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:21 PM
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17. Crap!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:29 PM
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18. that too.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:33 PM
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19. thanks for posting this
Edited on Wed May-24-06 05:43 PM by LSK
I never heard this before.

Wow!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:01 PM
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32. You are most welcome
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:43 PM
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22. UNDISPUTED - HURSTI HACK IS BOTH NEW MATERIAL AND TOTALLY DEVASTATING
Please - I do *not* want to get involved in the BH vs DU ongoing battle. I *fully* accept that BH is a "case".

Still - I do *not* want to get bogged down in this when we desperately need all the information we can get. Harri Hursti and Doug Jones are legit. Harri's latest hack resembles what was described in the RABA report several years ago and it is *important* to see that Diebold has done nothing about it in 2 years even though they knw about it. Hursti also found new threats -- it extends what we knew before.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x429176

Usher BH to the door, but we cannot afford to downplay or lose respect for Hursti and Jones.

:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:57 PM
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142. Thanks for posting kster's thread, I was just gonna do it myself.
Additionally, here is Land Shark's contribution to it, which I think sheds more light on the matter. As he says, " ...If it's new to the experts, it's fair to say it's News."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x429176#429186

Here's an excerpt from the OP:

"Dr. Jones himself emphasizes in letters to Russell Michaels of Votergate that the Hursti findings are devastating. He says the three-level architecture with a separate back door in each level, which can be used separately or combined, has not been reported before.

(Dr. Doug Jones) Hursti and I appear to be in pretty clear agreement about this interpretation. It appears, however, that there are spin-mongers (spinsters?) who are out there to put another spin on this. Oh, they say, Hursti didn't report anything new. This appears to be an effort to discredit Hursti and those of us who consider his report important.

Dr. Jones goes on to say that Hursti "gets credit for exposing the fact that Diebold made not one vulnerability of this type, but three separate ones, each of which, in isolation, is sufficiently bad to allow an outsider to take over the system, and which can, indeed, be combined."

Dr. Jones elaborates in response to this question by Russell Michaels:

RUSS: The "offense in depth" attack Harri identifies which could be used to conceal the contamination by an attacker and which could 're-infect the system also seems an important new discovery. Is there any evidence that this deep penetration attack has been properly documented before by anyone?

PROF. DOUG JONES: No, Hursti gets credit here."


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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:43 PM
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23. Hey- whatever happened to the report that was supposed to be filed May 15?
Was it filed? Does anybody have it?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:01 PM
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31. She had a sock puppet account in here, now tombstoned...
...with which she said that she had just dropped it in the mailbox the morning of the 15th.

So "The check is in the mail."

"This is for your own good."

"This won't hurt a bit."

"I promise not to cum in your mouth."

You get the picture.

It will be months before a filing sent through the mail will get posted to guidestar.

Meanwhile, a number of people have made the proper legal requests for copies of her filing without satisfaction.

She also promised to post it to her web site, and I just don't see it there... Nor do I expect it to ever be posted there,
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:51 PM
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43. Yes, I am one who made a proper legal request...
I even got a response, too! Well, insomuch as she posted my private name and address my name on her public website.

I also got a response from Pat Vesely - "BBV Activist" (better known here as 'Steve A Play') posted Bev's website on April 16, saying "Your request for a copy of our completed Form 990 has been duly noted and will be sent at our earliest convenience within our legal responsibility to do so."

Thus far (filed 5/15) I have not received it by email, snail mail, not has it been posted on BBV.org website.

Bev Harris, 4/16/2006- "I do believe that when we are advocating for transparency, we should be as transparent as possible ourselves....
We already have our IRS authorization form online, we might as well put our 990 online here at this site as well."
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:56 PM
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68. Can you request it from the IRS?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:10 AM
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71. She is REQUIRED BY LAW
to send it to you. You can request by email or snail mail.

Since she has evidently ignored my request (that was publicly acknowleged on her site), I rekon I will have to get around to sending a registered letter. (Yes, you can request from the IRS, but it will take forever.) She is required to respond promptly. If she doesn't, I suppose I would have to file a complaint.

Interested parties (the public) may wish to request a copy of the 990 filing from BBV.org. Email works, according to the IRS.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:11 AM
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159. I think I'll send a registered letter too...
Maybe we can get a consortium here of 30-40 people who will all send registered letters. Then, if she does not respond, there will be 30-40 $20 daily fines assessed each and every day after the 30 days expire...
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:06 PM
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46. I checked the FAQs at Guidestar
And it said it takes up to two months for the 990 to be posted. May 15th was the final day for her to file it, so hopefully we'll see it mid-July or before. I'll be watching for it...

Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see if the folks are succcessful with their legal requests for her filings.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:22 PM
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56. April 16, she said she would post it on her site when filed...
Filing was 5/15. Do you find it on her site?

She has a high-speed scanner, and the ability to send .pdf files.

My request for a copy of the 990 was acknowledged before the public acknowledgment on 4/16. She has my email address. She has my mailing address.

I am not the only person having made this request.

Here are some crickets:



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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:57 AM
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79. I saw the thread in April
...where she said she'd post the 990. But I haven't seen anything since. I wonder if we should remind her.

I love your crickets! Sums everything up...
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:32 PM
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62. Oh yeah.... and I forgot...
In March of 2005, sockypuppet said that BBV.org had aan accounting firm working on a year-end financial statement for 2004, they were only waiting for photocopies of some bank statements, and that it would be posted very, very soon! That was 14 months ago.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:45 PM
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24. wow there's a name i hadnt seen a while
i suppose as the elections draw near, the snake-oil salesmen start polishing their wares.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:00 PM
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25. She raised the fundraising flag in April - early drumbeats!
Edited on Wed May-24-06 06:15 PM by djmaddox1
Bev Harris -

"I'm going on record now: Black Box Voting is going to be very aggressive about fund raising in 2006."


Right after she smears DU & Kos admins & anyone that calls bullshit on her -

"We are learning more about the individuals who are spreading disinformation at Kos and Democratic Underground. They are mostly small fry; people who are angry, easily led, broke, political groupies. The bigger story is the administrators of those two sites.

Democratic Underground is run by a former press secretary (i.e. communications person) for a prominent Democratic U.S. House of Representatives member. He managed some unsuccessful campaigns for other democrats. I have not been able to find the name of the congressperson he was press secretary for. That would be informative."



on edit: to add link before I'm accused of spreading disinformation! I'm sure it'll disappear soon.


http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-profile.cgi?action=rate&topic=2197&page=19693&post=19364

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:07 PM
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26. oh good God.
really, I had almost entirely forgotten about her. I really hope i don't have to read eleventy brazillian threads this elec cylce on Bev vs. DU, and Bev vs. The Curse of the SIlver Monkey and so on and on. . . but I have the feeling that you are correct, the early drumbeats approach.

she really is tiring.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:25 PM
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58. Am I to assume that that's why the bevbots have been running rampant...
at DU as of late?

They'll get burned by her, too, and they'll be back one day saying, "If only I had known."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:45 AM
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161. Well she sure has a lot of nerve doesn't she?
"No results for you, or an accounting of the money you've sent, but I will trash the people who supported me before I was on anyone's radar."

where's that finger-flippin smiley?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 12:09 AM
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170. One of these?

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:09 PM
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27. Rec'ed! I loved that site has the Randi_Bev smackdown clip ...
I looked high & low for it & couldn't find it! :rofl: They also have an excellant compilation of the hit parade of bev_foot_in_mouth_oops_I_didn't_say_that links!


Karma!

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:44 AM
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88. The part I like is......
Bev evidently thought that clip was history.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:14 PM
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34. Like a lot of members here I am highly resentful that she used
the outstanding resources and info of our community (that document how democracy was stolen) for her own agenda.


:nuke:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:27 PM
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36. agreed
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #34
59. And then had the audacity to threaten to sue Skinner for...
trademark infringement, or some such blather.

She's a ballsy woman, that's for sure. She'll get what's due her...people like her always do.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:41 AM
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97. She'll get what's due her. See if you can make more explicit threats
The nuts and people on meds might be too unfocused to get your drift. If you really want her out of the picture, you might have to just come out an say it.

But then again, why do you have so much at stake that you are this desperate? It's not like there's millions at stake.

(Or is there?)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:13 PM
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134. As you sure you aren't Bev Harris?
I suggest consulting a mirror...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #34
162. well said
and she's STILL bilking people... unbelievable
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:25 PM
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37. Why should anyone believe what "ZeroCool" says about anything?
Who is this person, and why the hidden identity? It would be helpful to know who/what is behind this smear attempt. Inserting snide comments into a partial transcript(?) is one thing, but this entity also lies by claiming the recent report is merely "re-hashing two year-old public information and posting it online as though it were "new"...." When the first paragraph is an easily disproven deception, it throws the whole enterprise into question.

It is clear that the author of the screed is strongly motivated to trash Harris and the BBV work, and that lies and innuendo are among the arsenal used. What is less clear is whether the author is motivated by some personal conflict, or by other considerations. Other than satisfying some pathological condition or seeking sowing division and mistrust among the various elements concerned about voting machine fraud, I don't see why this site exists, or, for that matter, why anyone would promote it.

It seems that the only beneficiaries are those who want to weaken the movement to expose the dangers of black box voting devices.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:33 PM
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38. Well, then, you can believe me.
Harris is the one damaging this movement. She has almost bled it white, in fact. "Lies and innuendo" are her stock-in-trade when anybody calls her on it, in fact. And she never obeys the rules here at DU. She CONTINUES to create sockpuppet accounts here in spite of being repeatedly banned for cause.

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:48 PM
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40. I understand your point of view, and I don't question
your intentions or integrity. I also know that, despite her, uh, combative, approach to disagreements, Harris did a lot to bring this issue into public awareness. I also know people are imperfect, and can do both good and harm. However, I don't see the point of a site devoted to trashing her using "lies and innuendo" even if the author is convinced that s/he was treated badly by her "lies and innuendos" regarding, say, a financial dispute. It seems to do no one any good.

The recent report, despite the author's claims to the contrary, was an important bit of research. Trying to pass it off as old news helps no one, other than those who want to see the findings discredited.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:58 PM
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41. As far as I have been able to determine it WAS old news.
Amply cited references to its previous incarnation were given at the time to convince me of this. And it certainly was not news to ME when I read it. I already knew about that issue.

In any case, whatever good she has done in the past, others, like Bradblog, Velvet Revolution, BBV.com, etc, can carry on amply without the stink of corruption that is now associated with her efforts.

She needs to make a FULL, PUBLIC, and IMMEDIATE accounting of all money raised, and that accounting ought to be audited by a public accounting firm.

That is the absolute minimum she needs to do at this point.

While she is at it, she can say why she never provided a W-2 for the late Andy Stephenson. And she can prove that she made employee tax withholding payments for him. On his deathbed he told me that she never did make those payments, and that she had taken in far more in donations than people supposed.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #41
60. Hackability in general was old news.
Hursti did a demo showing that the flash card used to "zero out" the machines (make sure the numbers for all candidates began at zero) could at the same time reprogram the machines to give any desired outcome. The BIOS as well as the OS were points of vulnerability. Bradblog had an article -- http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002835.htm : "Johns Hopkins e-voting expert and computer scientist Avi Rubin confirmed the similarities discovered earlier by the RABA report and agreed that the Hursti report offers additional details, believed to be previously unknown by experts."

Apart from the technicalities, the new report and demonstration again showed the dangers inherent in using these machines, and thus provided a service.

In my view, whether that anger is justified or not, the obsessive hostility shown by the owner of this site, who even lies when registering his domain as owned by "Jean-Claude Van Camme," does no good for the movement. S/he should spend more time with comic books and sublimate that anger into superhero fantasies.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #60
82. ROFL, love the comic book reference
So Bev thinks it's David Allen who's running that site..........oh, how funny.

What's hysterical is that this woman refuses to understand that she has made so many enemies she can't even keep track of them all.

You see, it takes a really, really sick mind to imagine that everyone who speaks against her is ONE person with multiple screen names.

Hey Bev, maybe it's Roxanne! She's EVERYWHERE.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #60
84. Thank you
Yes, take a careful look at that site. It is a Diebold web site.

And so many here are sucking up to it. Shamefull.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. How did you come to this conclusion?
Really. I'd really appreciate understanding your thought process.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #86
92. I read through it.
I don't suggest you do so - read the site. Just trust me.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #92
96. "Just trust me."
LOL.

Sorry, I read through the site and I see nothing which indicates it's run by Diebold.

It's just another example of BevBots trying to assign her enemies to a single source.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #96
101. Only one conclusion, then
You are so full of hate that you didn't see the pro-Diebold info.

And, the truth is, I am no Bevbot. I don't concern myself with what Bev does or dioesn't do. There are far too many other important things to be concerned about.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #101
103. Did you really read the whole site?
Cause you sure as hell, evidently, missed this part. Clearly, you can't stand the idea that someone is telling the truth about Bev Harris. That makes you a BevBot.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Our Mission

We have no political agenda. We don't espouse one party or the other, and we believe that both Democrats and Republicans stand to gain from clean elections. If you're of a similar mind, then welcome: you have a home here.

We want to improve the election system. We don't believe this is accomplished by smearing public officials on the internet. Education and awareness are key to electoral reform. We think misinformation can only serve to confuse the issue; we'll therefore do our best to halt its spread wherever we find it. And we believe it's irresponsible to ambush vendors or their products in the media without attempting to work with them to resolve any problems first. Ultimately we all have the same goals until proven otherwise, and we'll publicize those who don't.

Finally, a message for those opportunists whose sole aim is to enrich themselves on the backs of real activists, at the expense of meaningful reform: we're on to you. You know who you are. And soon, everyone else will too.
http://blackboxwatchdog.com/about
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. Pray tell. Besides self-aggrandizement, what exactly has she done...
that has been productive?

For every person she awakens to the BBV crisis, she turns twenty away with her smug assholery, paranoia, threats, and backstabbing.

Pray tell--what has she done yet that didn't benefit Bev first?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. Well, she has alienated many elections officials that MIGHT
have worked closely with elections reform activists to help us, and only given them the impression that activists are as nutzyballcrazy as she is. THAT I know first-hand.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. And that's what's saddest.
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #63
109. It is. We need violins. Garcon! We have composed a lament
So sad.

I think you should hurry off to grab more Diebold cut and pastes, that will cheer us up! Post them at the Yahoo message board too while you're at it.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #40
69. MANY have been "treated by her lies and innuendos"
and if you LISTEN to the radio recording, you might understand that she also discredited those in the media who were poised and ready to HELP us. Can you understand that she did the SAME thing with elections officials... the very ones that WANTED to work with us, but they were less able to do so because of Bev's bizarre antics in front of their faces, which discredited the movement?!!

Gads. It is frustrating to try to get people to understand the HARM she has done. The harm to genuine, dedicated, knowledgeable activists and the harm to the whole issue.

I am not looking to be argumentative, but if you truly care about the issue, find an organization or group OTHER than one associated with Bev. Bev is bad news.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #38
49. That isn't "Bailey", is it?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
67. Patriothackd nt
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #67
70. Hahahahah!!!! Yup, I recognize her!
So where's a picture of Bailey?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. Bailey...
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #72
74. Yep, that sure is her, alright!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #72
137. lol!!
:spray:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:21 PM
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152. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. To her, the bbv movement is nothing more than a novelty...
much like the "Clinton Cigars" she sold during the Lewinski situation.

Like I said. Charlatan. Snake-oil salesman. Doesn't give a shit about the damage she does, as long as the big bucks roll in.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #52
163. BEV SOL D "CLINTON CIGARS"?
:nuke:

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #163
167. Yes, she did.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1960084&mesg_id=1981160


A Renton Washington-based marketing firm, has already begun selling THE PRESIDENTIAL CIGAR.

"We selected a large-size cigar known in the industry as an El
Presidente," says Talion president Bev Harris. Talion's five-dollar
collector cigars, which feature an official gold seal and a Billy-C
image, measure an impressive (in the cigar industry, anyway) six inches
long, with a respectable 50-ring size circumference.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/browse_thread/thread/977d97778668b62c/235b0f09601f8c7a?lnk=st&q=author%3Atalion%40ix.netcom.com&rnum=26&hl=en#235b0f09601f8c7a

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #167
168. Thanks for the info...
wish that'd been well known before she duped so many people

:puke:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #168
169. Clearly
There is nothing beneath the woman. Nothing.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #38
166. Hey, wait a minute! I knew Lamb Chop, and Bev's no Lamb Chop!


( Thank you Shari Lewis & Lloyd Bentsen )
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. Smearing is Bev's modus operandi.
She posted lies about me on her website just weeks ago, while posting my name and address. At the same time, she lied and smeared others. She has lied and smeared people for years. I hope you never become the object of her tactics. Ya never know. I never met the woman. But she was evidently irritated enough by my legal request for the 990 form and accounting of the 2004 FOIA results to 'out' me and smear me on her site.

Who 'ZeroCool' is, I have no clue. But the radio broadcast speaks for itself.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. She posted lies about me, too...what's funny is that she misidentified me.
She thinks I'm someone named Roxanne. Enough DUers know me to know that that's utter bullshit.

She's crazy. Out of her mind.

I think she was also involved in the "Scamdy" stuff--I strongly suspected that she was.

What a bitch--can you imagine having on your conscience that you cut off someone's insurance and they subsequently passed away because of it.

Like I said below, karma is a bitch...Bev has much in store for her.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #37
57. My, how you have learned from your master.
:eyes:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #57
85. Who is your master?
Is it this Diebold website? Because that's all that site is.. a Diebold shill. Look it over, I dare you.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
39. I'm confused.
Is Bev the enemy or is vote fraud?
whatever some of you may say, or naysay, I was made aware of this travesty because of BBV.

I don't understand. So she may be a bitch, whatever.
At my age, it's a compliment.

but I don't know the whole story and don't want to. thankyouverymuch.
BBV made election fraud real to me.

that's all.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. They are both the enemy
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #42
111. It's very dramatic, 'the enemy'. Like a soap opera!
"Behold - The ENEMY!"

(spoken in grave tone of voice)

We must have more cardboard cutout characters. Oh please? Along with "the enemy" can we have a fair maiden in distress, a handsome rich man and an old woman with a cane?

Let's do a show! We can have it in the barn! Maddie can make the costumes and I'll write a song.

:applause: :headbang: :applause: :headbang: :applause:

(to the tune of "Give my regards to Broadway"):

Give my regards to Dee-bold... Well I don't know the rest, call Willie Nelson, I heard he knows how to wag the dog.

Oops, make a note of it. Need a peasant girl with a cat.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #111
146. What, doesn't that Grifter already have a familiar.
I wonder why you'd go so far out of your way to downplay the very real wrongs that Grifter has perpetrated.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #39
164. You don't want to know? That's a dangerous attitude to have.
But as long as you don't give her any money, it's all good. :)

It's good that you gained awareness from her. Just don't rely on her org. for action or results.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:02 PM
Response to Original message
44. Bev is a low-class charlatan. She's a delusional fraud.
I wish I had a link to the compilation of threads from her days at DU.

She accuses me of being someone I've never heard of...she thinks that I must have ulterior motives for despising her.

What turned on the light for me was when she used DU to raise funds for her scam. When donations slowed down, she created some crisis, but never resolved any crisis.

Always, her posts were "We're about to crack so and so blah blah blah" and DUers would respond with donations. Wasn't their fault...they believed in her, and thought that she was being productive.

She wasn't, though. She stole ideas from DUers who practically wrote her book for her, and then threatened to sue them and Skinner.

Oh, and what she did to Andy. Terrible--if there's any such thing as Karma, she's got a buttload waiting on her.

What a fucking wanking bitch.

Election fraud is a serious issue. There are many better spokespeople out there than Bev. It's dreadful that somehow she assumed the position as the figurehead of the movement.

That's all I'll say on this thread. I hope that someone else will post the compilation of links...that is what every DUer needs to read, especially the newer ones who don't know much about Bev.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. I will attest to her lies about you only weeks ago.
I will attest to it, but would rather choke than give a link to her sewer. Anyone who was around a few weeks ago where she publicly posted my private name and address may have read her lies about me and others. She just seems to make shit up.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. I made a screen shot. Shall I post it?
Edited on Wed May-24-06 11:11 PM by Maddy McCall
I won't, unless you give me permission. I can edit out your name, if you like.


Edit: I won't post it, because her website's address is on there, and, like you, I don't want to funnel more traffic her way.

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. You go right ahead. As usual, she scrubbed my original
info. to only show my county. She loves to scrub her posts without comment.

I love one where she manages to not only call me a liar, but smear election reform activists all in one little sentence!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. She named other DUers that she thinks are "Roxanne's" sockpuppets.
I don't want to cause grief for those people, and if I post it, I'd have to post those names, too.

But I have the proof. I did several screencaps. I'm not like her--I have no desire to "sue." I saved it just to show people how vicious, and WRONG, she can be.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #53
81. Yeah, you and I are the same person, Maddy
She's evidently terrified of Roxanne (and, yes, I know her). Maybe that's because she knows Roxanne has the truth about Bev in her archived files. Ya think?

I'd call it cyberstalking.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #81
132. Can I be Maddy too?
Huh? Huh? Please? Huh?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #132
133. Yeah, I LOVE that screen name
Wish I was really Maddy McCall.........sigh....

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #47
76. I missed that. What was the occasion? n/t
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. The occasion was Easter morning,
Edited on Thu May-25-06 01:27 AM by troubleinwinter
when I awoke to a few PMs alerting me that DUer 'Steve A Play' (Pat Vesely of BBV.org) had gleefully posted a link to Bev's posting on her site, publicly posting my real name and address.

Evidently, it was a result of my having sent her a polite formal note by email requesting a copy of the 990 (which I had assumed was available, since original filing was due November 15, 2005) and the following post on DU:

troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-15-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Why am I NOT surprised she has not posted the rest of the docs...
She raised money to file 3,000 FOIA across the country after 2004 election, with the promise to post the docs for study. Over a year ago, she begged donation of a high speed scanner (which she obtained) to scan and post the resultant materials.

To this date, a year and a half after the election, I cannot find an accounting of how many FOIAs were sent, how many were/were not complied with fully or partially.

I can find none of the resulting documents posted.

If anyone can provide a link showing where Bev has fulfilled her promises to those who sent her money, I'd be fascinated to see it.


After being told that she had 'outed' my personal info., I went to her site. Asked repeatedly for the same info.... how many of the FOIAs were responded to/not responded to/partially responded to. After a huge run around, it came down to the fact that out of 3,000 FOIAs, 4 have been posted on her site. I still cannot get any information about how many responded or what.... only that they keep the info on a "dry erase board in the office".

It was an interesting conversation with her. She managed to not only post my personal information, and tell lies about me, but also said, "I reviewed your posting history on other sites before publishing your real name." That's a good one! More Bev Bullshit. I don't post on other sites relating to her shit. Never have.

Then she went on about all manner of other people under their supposed posting names. Who knows what kind of craziness she was going on about. Maddy has already posted that Bev claimed she was someone else. It's sometimes hard to distinguish lies & smears from just plain nuts.

Anyway, she banned me from her site so that I could not ask any more questions or correct her bullshit nonsense. Just as well.... what a waste of time.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
64. Has anyone viewed her IRS form 990 for FY 2004 and 2005?
These are publicly available. Ought to be no trouble to get.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. See post 43, but
I think the answer is a resounding

NOPE.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
144. The 990 must be requested in writing,
and she must provide it within 30 days, according to the IRS. Alternatively, she can post it on her site (which she has not). Guidestar is NOT an accepted alternative:



A. Annual Information Return
In response to a request for your annual information return you must
provide a copy of:
· Form 990
· Any attachments, and
· All schedules2

B. Written requests
If a request is made in writing (i.e., by mail, fax, email, or courier), you must
respond within 30 days of receiving the request. Should you wish to charge for the
cost of copying (as described on page 10), you must notify the requestor of the cost
and form of payment within 7 days from the date you receive the request. You may
require that these costs be paid in advance of your response, but you must include
this information in your notice of cost to the requestor.

An Exception to Providing Copies
If a nonprofit makes its documents "widely available", it does not have to
provide copies. Organizations can satisfy the requirement of making their
documents "widely available" by providing these documents in a pdf file on your
web site. You cannot charge any fee to access the pdf file.

Although many organizations’ 990s are posted on guidestar.org, this does not satisfy the “widely available”


Penalties for failing to comply with a request for disclosure
Once a request is made, failure to provide a copy of the requested documents
by the response deadline (on the day of request for in-person requests and within
30-days of receipt of a written request) means that the IRS can assess a $20 per day
penalty for every day that you fail to fully respond.
There is a maximum penalty of $10,000 for failing to provide a copy of the
annual information return (Form 990, schedules and attachments).

http://www.afj.org/images/collection_images/nap_990.pdf


My initial request for 990 was made well before the public acknowledgment on her site 4/16. I'm sure BBV.org will not comply prior to 30 days after the filing date. Since the seven day period to notify me of any copying/postal charges is well past, I will expect to see the Form 990, attachments and schedules in my mail box postmarked on or before June 15, free of charge.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
65. Tiny glimmer
She BURNED media people who tried to give exposure to the election reform issue, ie: Olbermann & Rhodes.

She HARMED and SMEARED a beloved friend of so many of us: Andy Stephenson.

She SMEARED the reputation of a dedicated activist and teacher on the issue of elections reform: Andy Stephenson.

She has, by her antics, ALIENATED elections officials at a time that we need to try to work with them.

She has smeared and lied and attempted to ruin the reputations of activists, all while sucking up energy and dollars from where they might do some good.

This is just another teeny glimmer of the harm she does.

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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:32 AM
Response to Original message
73. Bev Harris- taking care of the issues that really matter to her-
That would be herself. IMO. I have no time for her.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:29 AM
Response to Original message
78. I was wondering if that had been salvaged. Sweet.
Thanks for posting.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:39 AM
Response to Original message
80. Every Single Time She Raises Her Foul Head
Everyone should make sure to bring ALL of her pathetic, destructive antics to the surface. Every. Single. Time.

DTH
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #80
112. Yes because there is a LOT at stake.
$990 million?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
83. That is a Diebold website
Look through the news and investigations links.

Time and again Diebold is made to look like a good company and anyone opposing diebold is cut down. The cut of the website is in praise of Diebold.

I can't believe the number of people here supporting such a post or getting in line with such a site. They have been taken in by the enemy. The wise will take a careful accounting of those who support such sites.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. Diebold is coming to get you!
Can you please explain how you came to such an understanding?


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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. Diebold web site and tag-team members doing distribution
Welcome to Diebold.
Welcome to the tag team.

:applause:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Typical Bev Harris "evidence"
Consisting of "imagination."

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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:23 AM
Response to Original message
91. You, too, can carry buckets of manure for Diebold
Diebold produces it, distribution team spreads it.

Peee--yoo!
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #91
100. And, you, too can carry buckets of manure for Bev Harris
Our Mission

We have no political agenda. We don't espouse one party or the other, and we believe that both Democrats and Republicans stand to gain from clean elections. If you're of a similar mind, then welcome: you have a home here.

We want to improve the election system. We don't believe this is accomplished by smearing public officials on the internet. Education and awareness are key to electoral reform. We think misinformation can only serve to confuse the issue; we'll therefore do our best to halt its spread wherever we find it. And we believe it's irresponsible to ambush vendors or their products in the media without attempting to work with them to resolve any problems first. Ultimately we all have the same goals until proven otherwise, and we'll publicize those who don't.

Finally, a message for those opportunists whose sole aim is to enrich themselves on the backs of real activists, at the expense of meaningful reform: we're on to you. You know who you are. And soon, everyone else will too.
http://blackboxwatchdog.com/about
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mmarcus Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #100
125. Heh. I like this part:
we're on to you. You know who you are. And soon, everyone else will too.

From Black Botch WatchMutt

Uh-huh. The thing is, when you know it comes from Diebold, it has kind of a tinny sound to it. WE'RE DIEBOLD. We're on to you. We know you you are.

And now, we have our tin soldiers distributing our message. So pretty soon, everyone else will have it too.

Visit our site so we can implant tracking tools into your computer, and email us so we can harvest your IP. Hurry on over, guys.

we're on to you. You know who you are. And soon, everyone else will too.

('cept we never told you we're DIEBOLD. It's minor omission. Could happen to anyone.)
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #125
126. So, is the Bev MP3 fabricated by Diebold, too?
Too bad you are stuck on "Bev's being demonized by just a few" because you've managed to lose track of her real enemies.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #91
110. Carrying Bev Harris is worse.
Then you are carrying the whole pig.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:09 AM
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127. Deleted message
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #127
130. Maybe you should get to work on California?
Compare and contrast Bev Harris in California and Joyce McCloy in NC:

In NC where activists spent all their time doing the grunt work of activism and not wasting their time with "fundraising", grandstanding, writing reports, and constantly smearing critics.

- S223 was passed to protect voters from paperless voting.

- 76% of the state is now OpScan.

- Diebold tried to get the law overturned. Activists sued and won.

- Diebold left the state and refuses to sell to NC (S223 required the CEO to sign a sworn affidavit that the code certified by the state would be used in the election. Violation of the law is a felony, so Diebold left).

- Any vendor selling to the state must reveal its source code.

- Any vendor selling to the state must reveal any bug/defect in their code as soon as it is discovered (failure is a criminal offense).

- Mandatory VVPB for DREs

- Manadatory random hand-eye recounts of precincts after the election.

- If paper and digital count differ, paper is the vote of record.

- Number of people smeared to accomplish this: ZERO
- Number of reporters attacked: ZERO
- Number of election officials supporting our view: 76%
- Number of legislatures who voted for S223: Unanimous passage in both houses.
- Amount of money raised for this effort: ZERO


Bev's accomplishments in California.

- She filed a lawsuit against Diebold, and she, Jim March and her lawyer Lowell Finley walked away with about $75K a piece. Diebold promises to be a good voting machine company and never do that again.

- Diebold and DREs still in California.

- No new law.

- Source of critical information for Bev's lawsuit facing three felony charges.

- Lawsuit settled WITH prejudice, meaning evidence brought to suit may never be used against Diebold in the future.

- Nationally, the only law to come out of the whole anti-BBV effort is OPPOSED by Bev.

- Amount of money raised for this effort: At least $1 million

- People smeared (accused of working for Diebold, accused of self-enrichment, accused of lying, fired, harassed, etc): Andy Stephenson, Avi Rubin, Doug Jones, David Dill, Rebecca Mercuri, Randi Rhodes, Skinner, John Kerry, BartCop.com, Democrats.com, DU, Joyce McCloy, Maddy McCall, BoredtoDeath, Roxanne, and dozens more.

- Reporters abused: Kim Zettner (Wired), Rachel Konrad (AP), John Schwartz (NYT), Keith Olberman (MSNBC) and many others from smaller newspapers.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #130
165. brilliant post!
thanks for the comparison & contrast...

:mad:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #165
171. Thanks
It's pretty stunning when you put them side by side, isn't it?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #127
145. Well, no. This is not old news because Grifter is still at it.
Edited on Thu May-25-06 03:13 PM by sfexpat2000
You may be a little too close to see the bigger picture, and certainly too ill informed to take such a cavalier attitude to what old timers on this thread are saying.

Did you or did you not read above about her latest defamation of two respected activists in this forum?

Do you consider the abuse of activists to be irrelevant to the movement?

What will you do when it's your turn?

Edit: Good luck, you're going to need it.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #145
154. Deleted message
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. That post was a direct attack on the OP
as for how you feel about this "griping," why don't you just avoid the threads?

I wonder why you call the truth "griping," though.

Do you really think someone fabricated that Bev Harris MP3?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #154
157. Bev is being treated totally fairly here.
You should see what we all WANT to say about her.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
131. Bevbots or Bevsocks?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #131
149. Tombstoned. ALERT IS OUR FRIEND.
I'll admit that I was very, very angry but I finally remembered the Alert feature.

We need to insure that disruptors are dealt with by the Mods. If they don't know about these little pests, then they can't tombstone them.

ALERT on these guys.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #149
150. Good job! n/t
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:16 PM
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151. That's how to deal with Bevsocks...
She doesn't belong here as she has been banned repeatedly, and is here against the rules.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:13 PM
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156. Good job & TY!
I reboot & come back to argue w/a chiclet stone ... aaargh!

Sometimes alert takes more than a few trys, they don't always make it obvious enough 'till they get a wee riled. Then it shows enough to convince anyone!

No wonder bev (to paraphrase) basically said she had a useless bunch of syncophants at her place & had to get real discussion/critiques at DU. They are heads first & feets up into the koolaid vat!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:00 AM
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158. Hi, Arnie! Good to see you, regardless.
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:01 PM
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 08:10 PM
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174. Hello???? This thread was sinking before you bumped it.
Agent Provocateur!

Agent Provocateur!

:sarcasm:
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:43 PM
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175. Hunter, excellent point!
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:17 PM
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176. ?

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