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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 02:58 AM
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Talking Points Memo On Elections (for Progressive media)
http://wedonotconsent.blogspot.com/2006/06/talking-points-memo-on-elections-for.html

Talking Points Memo On Elections (for Progressive media)

Since the start of this month there has been more high profile, corporate media coverage of our "election" charades than perhaps any other period during the Bush regime. Could this be a sign we are approaching a bona fide tipping point, after which things will be totally different? Well, I want to believe it, but I think we first need the progressive media to get on the same page about some talking points.
1. Secret vote counting guarantees inconclusive outcomes. Whether it is paperless DREs or optical scanners with interpreted or proprietary code, votes are being "counted" in secret, without even a chance for voters, elections officials or the media to examine the process or verify the results.

2. Unverified voting means there is NO BASIS for confidence in the results reported. Blind trust is required to accept current election results.

3. The media should not report what it cannot prove or independently verify. We now have faith-based reporting about faith-based elections.

4. The Consent of the Governed is being assumed, not sought, under current election conditions. According to the Declaration of Independence, the "just Power" of government derives from the Consent of the Governed.

5. Here is a partial list (in no particular order) of additional items to which we must say: We Do Not Consent.
a) The lost presumption of innocence;
b) Spying on Americans and an overall loss of privacy;
c) Government lawlessness;
d) Destruction of our environment;
e) The promise of endless war;
f) Free speech zones;
g) Depleted Uranium (Mr. Bush's slow-motion holocaust);
h) Government run media;
i) Secret prisons, torture and war crimes;
j) and We Do Not Consent to secret vote counting machines.
The larger question that should emerge from these talking points is: Has the Consent of the Governed been withdrawn, YET? Presented this way the question takes a tone of inevitability - not if, but when! This is how we pave a path to a tipping point.

This set of points varies in at least one very dramatic way from the high profile corporate coverage recently given to election integrity. For examples, start with Rolling Stone publishing Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s hefty recitation of the of the travesty of the 2004 "election" in Ohio, plus the ensuing TV appearances (CNN, Fox, MSNBC - all .wmv videos), and the online rebuttals and rejoinders (Farhad Manjoo at Salon.com, Paul Lehto, Bob Fitrakis, and even Bobby Kennedy himself). In all cases, progressive people are arguing over past events that can't be changed with people who are not even open to having their minds changed.

What would be better is educating progressive media about these powerful forward-looking arguments. Icons such as Thom Hartmann, Peter B. Collins (.mp3 of my interview last week), and Randi Rhodes can help us teach the public at large in a way that enables understanding of our current condition while fostering an appropriately strong and unified response. The talking points above allow us to discuss that which can be agreed upon, namely, what are the conditions for the elections we're about to have. The lesson, however, is that such conditions ensure inconclusive outcomes which should never be expected to produce unanimous acceptance. By narrowly defining a common view of the problem we become poised to take united action.

The Voter Confidence Resolution (VCR) is a document reflecting all the talking points above. The City Council of Arcata, CA was the first to adopt the VCR, and Palo Alto, CA will soon be considering its own version. Each community is encouraged to use Arcata's language as a template, keeping the main talking points and customizing other areas, including an election reform platform. This inspires local debate about sensible standards that should aim at delivering conclusive election outcomes and creating a basis for confidence in the results reported.

In Hartmann's recent AlterNet article about the RFK piece, he very bluntly says: "George W. Bush is not the legitimate president of the United States." But Hartmann doesn't go much beyond encouraging us to "speak out" in response. There is no doubt that Hartmann personally knows many people who have already been among the most outspoken. Our efforts have not been in vain, but they could be more successful with a common message and call to action. And it was with this in mind that I saw the need for this talking points memo. It is worth noting that when I recently discussed these same ideas with Brother Thom on his radio show, this is what he said:
"Its a great start getting out there and saying, 'Nope, sorry, we're not going to play this game.' I think we need to do more of that.
* * *
Additional recent major media election integrity coverage has included Jack Cafferty and Lou Dobbs (.wmv) on CNN. Big thanks to VoteTrustUSA and BradBlog for instigating and covering the coverage. Also see Why Old Election Numbers No Longer Matter, originally published 8/17/05 in the GuvWurld Blog, also appearing on page 9 of my new book We Do Not Consent (free .pdf download). Finally, Mark E. Smith offers a perspective worth considering in Global Warming vs. Election Integrity.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 03:07 AM
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1. A neighbor just told me she doesn't trust our elections.

I told her she isn't supposed to.

What she needs is a system of checks and balances providing verifiability.

Period.

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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 03:20 AM
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2. Succinct. Nice.
Well put, Wilms.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:47 PM
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23. REALLY spot on!
Late to the party, but glad I saw this great post!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 03:50 AM
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3. Excellent post
k n r
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 03:54 AM
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4. "We Do Not Consent" could be a powerful campaign slogan . . .
the list of what we don't consent to is a good start . . . might want to add . . .

- the whitewash of 9/11
- the illegality of the war
- corporate control of Congress
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:06 AM
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5. Timely Post. I just posted an audio file of the RFK article in the
Rolling Stone magazine on election fraud in Ohio. http://www.humboldtcorruption.org/RFKRollingStoneArticle.mp3

This is an audio file made using a text to speech program and it will save your eyes from reading this lengthly article off the computer screen at http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen and also allow you to load it into an MP3 player or burn it to an audio CD for listening as you do other things. It is only 16 k/sec for relatively quick download and 8 and a half megabytes in size. It runs for an hour and a quarter. If you don't mind listening to a computer talk it is a good shortcut. Sound quality is better than Captain Kirk's space ship computer. :loveya:

While I'm at it I will also post a link to the MP3 I made of Craig Unger's Vanity Fair article concerning the forged "Nigerian" yellow cake documents produced to falsely implicate Saddam Hussein in the manufacture of atomic bombs. If anyone ever believed this I have a Swiss bank account you may deposit money into in order to share in retrieving my fortune and return to the throne of Nigeria... Craig Unger offers much documentation and insight into specific strategies employed by the Bush administration in perpetrating this outrageous lie in order to perpetrate an outrageous war on Iraq and it's beleaguered people at the cost of many, many lives, our own defense and what was left of our reputation in the world community.

http://www.humboldtcorruption.org/VanityFairCraigUngerOnNigerianForgery.mp3

This is also 16 K/sec MP3 made using a text to speech program.

They are both also available as torrents;

http://www.demonoid.com/files/download/HTTP/368575 is the RFK Rolling Stone article on massive election fraud in Ohio (and in general)

http://www.demonoid.com/files/download/HTTP/368571 Is the Craig Unger article on the forged "Nigerian" yellow cake documents.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:47 AM
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7. Great work, Noel
These are important contributions to the overall discourse.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:37 AM
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6. We Do Not Consent. Good one.
Just reading a through j made me feel better.

It`s chilling to think that 30+% still support Bush and his unAmerican policies. They seem to excuse away almost anything. What are these people thinking?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 11:55 AM
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8. K&R.


pro-Bu$h = Anti-America
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:09 PM
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9. "We now have faith-based reporting about faith-based elections."
K&R.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:10 PM
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10. K&R
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:25 PM
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11. Clarification
I've been thinking about this post all day. And I just now realized that I should be explicit in saying that these talking points are what we should be saying when we call in as listeners on radio talk shows. That is in addition to trying to influence progressive media personalities to use these points. I wrote the piece with the latter in mind but it really goes fully for the former as well.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:49 PM
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12. Inspirational. Thanks Guv. K&R. n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:43 AM
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13. We Do Not Consent
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:32 PM
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14. Great to see all of this stuff references in 1 place. bookmarked.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:01 PM
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15. This is getting more relevant...
with each minute in San Diego
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:06 AM
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16. Bravo, BRAVO!!!!
These are just what we needed
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:29 AM
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17. .
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:20 AM
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18. !
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 06:08 PM
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19. Kick (eom)
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:26 PM
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20. Kick (eom)
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organik Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:13 PM
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21. posted at electionfraudblog.com N/T
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:16 PM
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22. I say prove to me.
Prove that the vote counting machinery is counting my vote correctly.

The only way that I can see for them to prove it is to audit the damn machine.

Every machine in every precinct. That would be proof enough, I would imagine.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:48 PM
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24. With the 92% Zogby poll, these points are more pertinent than ever
Seriously, people, look at these points and imagine using them to explain the significance of Land Shark's Zogby poll. Now that you have read them and imagined using them, ahem, please use them. We are moving the ball downfield.
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