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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:29 PM
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What the hell is a glitch, and why do they seem to be so pro-republican?
I'm not a techie, but I've been using computers all day long for about twenty years. I have never experienced a glitch. Programs don't always do what you want them to do; they can have bugs in them that cause problems; they sometimes crash. But I have never seen a computer act inconsistently, where apparently under the same set of circumstances it behaves in a seemingly random way.

Dictionary.com defines glitch as:

1. A minor malfunction, mishap, or technical problem; a snag: a computer glitch; a navigational glitch; a glitch in the negotiations.

2. A false or spurious electronic signal caused by a brief, unwanted surge of electric power.


We have heard a lot about computer "glitches" in the 2004 faith-based electronic vote count, but none I would characterize as minor. Also don't surge protectors prevent unwanted surges of electric power?

Diebold makes thousands of electronic voting machines of the same model, all of them supposedly tested and reliable. So why do they behave differently in different precincts? You would expect the same proprietary application, running on the same proprietary hardware, performing the same limited number of tasks, to behave in a consistent manner.

Diebold electronic voting machines always seem to be experiencing glitches. Yet Diebold also makes most of our ATM machines--when was the last time you heard about a glitch on one of those? They are extremely reliable, or nobody would dare use them.

And how hard can it be to program a machine to count votes? This seems like one of the easiest tasks you could ask a computer to do (if Kerry button is pressed, add one vote to the Kerry total). Computers are programmed to do a myriad of amazingly complex tasks every day, yet programming a computer to count votes is too difficult to do?

And why do these glitches seem to like republicans so much? They always seem to behave in a manner that is beneficial to the republican party. Have these glitches, like the fundamentalist Christians, decided to join together and vote as a block for the republican party? Has the republican party become not only the party of God, but the party of HAL?
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:34 PM
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1. Good point and why is it the diebold machines in FL Dem Cntys are now Rep.
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:35 PM
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2. try this on for size...
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 01:35 PM by Kralizec
Analysis of an Electronic Voting System
explained by Computer Scientists.

These are the glitches. If you want to call them that.

www.avirubin.com/vote.pdf
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:41 PM
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3. Good find
:toast:
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:10 PM
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7. Here's an overlooked article about Avi Rubin just before the election:
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:16 PM
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8. wow...
good find as well.... i can't believe what is happening to professors nowadays. Where I live, a popular professor was pressured to retire even though he had full tenure. Obviously for political reasons. Bad stuff, and scary...
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:47 PM
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4. A Glitch would be a Conservative Gremlin

hehe
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:53 PM
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5. Just another word
For MASSIVE FAILURE!!
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:01 PM
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6. glitch? That's short for
Grand ol Party Lying Bitch

Grand Ol Party -thats the G
Lying-thats the L
and bitch of course is the itch
therefore -glitch
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:03 PM
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9. a secon year computer science
student could write code that guarantee that simple functions like counting a vote would be done. GUARENTEE. THere is absolutely no reason that a private, professional business should produce anything that should EVER have any sort of errors for such a simple process.
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publius_jr Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:20 PM
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10. On the non-uselessness of anecdotal evidence
The various vote-counting systems follow the same general
method, as diagrammed below.  A voter "marks" his
input, by punching a hole, coloring a bubble, or touching a
circle on a screen; the system reads that input, by human or
computerized means; & then the system updates its tally,
again by human or computerized means.

	voter ---> input ---> system ---> tally

Each of the arrows is a potential source of error.  The voter
could mark the wrong bubble or leave a hanging chad.  A human
system could misread a ballot, or a computerized system could
be calibrated wrongly.  Finally, a human system could put a
mark under the wrong candidate's name, or a computerized
system could add to the wrong name, subtract, or run out of
storage space.  It should be noted that as regards
computerized systems, any errors almost surely have human
roots.

If we concentrate on the latter two types of error, those
which would be the fault of the system or its designers, we
should expect that a fair system would not favor or disfavor
any given candidate, or mathematically, that the probability
of an error favoring, say, Bush equals that of an error
favoring Kerry.  Or, if we are given that we have an error of
this type & that it favors either Bush or Kerry, the
probability of it favoring Bush, P(B), should equal the
probability of it favoring Kerry, P(K).  We would expect P(B)
= P(K) = 1/2.

So if we could come up with an unbiased list of system errors
occuring in this past election, errors that favor either Bush
or Kerry, we could then test whether those errors concur with
the "fairness hypothesis," i.e. P(B)=P(K)=1/2.

Note that this problem is exactly analogous to the problem of
determining whether a coin is fairly balanced.  If it is, then
P(heads) = P(tails), & we would not expect to see,
intuitively, ninety heads out of a hundred throws, while sixty
out of a hundred would not be too surprising.  A more formal
approach uses mathematics & probability.

Suppose we have n cases of this type of error.  Of those,
denote by b the number that favor Bush.  The probability that
we would see b or more errors in favor of Bush is given by the
binomial distribution:

	P(X >= b) = SUM[nCk/(2^n), k=b,...,n].

Some sample numbers:

        n=10, b=8 ==> P(X >= 8)=0.0547
        n=15, b=12 ==> P(X >=12)=0.0176
        n=20, b=15 ==> P(X >=15)=0.0207

As you can see, it is pretty unlikely to see fifteen heads
flop out of twenty throws; it would likewise be pretty
unlikely for fifteen of twenty fair errors to favor Bush.

The tough part of the problem is determining what n & b
are.  There have been several cases reported here on DU, &
most of them indeed favored Bush.  But I am not convinced this
is a representative sample of all such errors. If anyone here
knows of an unbiased, respectable website that has compiled
not only system errors that turned in Bush's favor but also
those that helped Kerry, then we could plug-in some numbers
for n & b, & determine to within a fair degree whether
or not the heretofore detected errors suggest a systematic
unfairness in the errors of our voting systems.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:09 PM
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12. Hi publius_jr!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:22 PM
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13. Have you checked Eloriel's compendium of material? She
has lots of data, but probably not the pure P (B), P(K) data, though you could, I think, perform this analysis on other variances to the same end. One example is the NC data in this great analysis:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45003&mesg_id=45003

Could you look at the variances between how well the absentee ballots predict the final tally, as ignatz did? Also, how the error favored B* in the variances between exit polls and final votes, as in the "250 Million to One" post?

Please keep it up! :thumbsup:
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:26 PM
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11. At the very least, I'd call it negligence
Many of these glitches have been occurring for years, but haven't been fixed. Many were well known by the manufacturers, yet they put the equipment and software out there anyway.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:37 PM
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14. "Glitch" in this election seems to indicate a........
Gooper
Lackey
Initiated
Technical
CHeat

Or so it seems. :evilgrin:
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