Your comments about HBO's Hacking Democracy

[garybeck]

No HBO here. Left high and dry.

How about a thread on tonight's airing of Hacking Democracy, particularly we'd love to hear from those who saw it! As originator of this thread I ask for no B-Bashing.

One question I have in particular, is how you think the movie will affect the "average joe" ?

[PennyK]

1. UNfreakingbelievable

I think most of us know all this stuff, but it's great that this is getting aired to the general public. I remember very well when Bev was going thru the garbage and getting those tapes..and when she broke into the retirement dinner. Too bad she has those personality problems..but the work she (and of course Andy) did is incredibly important.

[texpatriot2004]

2. Oh man, garybeck sorry to hear that. I am really grateful for

HBO lately... Bill Maher, the Katrina special and now this.

It was excellent. Actually parts of it were familiar, like some video that came out shortly after the debacle in 2004 they called an "election." It was very emotional for me, you know, like flashbacks to the 3% "random" recount in Ohio that wasn't random, or that horrible, horrible day that Kerry conceded (I still don't understand why)...you know all these memories, the protests, lots of difficult memories.

Anyway, the substance of it was really good and it was thorough too.

I hope they will release it on DVD soon.

[garybeck]

3. so it covers the illegal recount in Ohio? n/t

[texpatriot2004]

4. Yes, with a video tape and all the "officials" are saying how

great things are going while those working to recount are talking about the stacks of ballots not being random, but "arranged somehow" as if they were "presorted."

Then when the "officials" are called on this lack of random issue, they say well, "it's our random."

[garybeck]

5. how about those white stickers?

[texpatriot2004]

9. What do you mean, the ones that are suppose to indicate a

secure, intact machine? You know, in the living room of the poll worker...

sarcasm on

[garybeck]

11. the white stickers that at least 4 witnesses saw, on the ballots

during the recount in clermont county OH. they were stickers covering the ovals on the Kerry votes, which makes the opscan not read the vote. there's a sworn affidavit here:

http://www.solarbus.org/election/docs/affidavits-claremont.pdf

[texpatriot2004]

15. No, they didn't go into that but thanks for the link. nm

[texpatriot2004]

7. Plus, they actually video tape a test of the actual machinery in FL

with computer scientists and Ion Sancho and Bev Harris and that lady who ran in Louisiana and discovered when she touched her name on the screen her opponent's name came up.

They actually showed how the memory card could alter the vote. Which later was confirmed by like 16 other computer scientis big whigs here in the USA.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. All right. If it's on TV it's real!. Please more info from the HBO connected...

[montanacowboy]

8. It was even more painful than I had

anticipated; everyone in the country should see this; HBO must make it free; it proves beyond a doubt the scum stole our elections and what are we as a people going to do about it?

[texpatriot2004]

10. It was painful. Lots of bad memories and unresolved issues nm

[garybeck]

13. but don't you think that for others, it will be more shocking than painful

because it's new to them. and they may be really pissed off now and ready to grab their pitchforks.

[texpatriot2004]

16. Probably so and God I hope so nm

[blm]

26. I agree - we look at things from a 4+ years battle mentality while 98% of

the country is just tuning in and noticing something amiss.

[babylonsister]

14. Yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. nt

[babylonsister]

12. Here's comments on a thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2555975

[texpatriot2004]

17. Thanks for the hook up nm

[texpatriot2004]

18. Another point they made crystal clear was changes in votes are

not traceable. If the vote is altered there is no trail, no tracks to follow. Why is that they asked?

[seemunkee]

19. well done

To the average person it will make hero of Bev. i wish it didn't but I think the film would have been very disjointed if it gave equal time to all the players involved. It did made the issues easy to understand.

[Pokey Anderson]

20. Here's the schedule of future showings.

Hacking Democracy

schedule: http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=633258


I don't have HBO, but I invited myself over to a neighbor's who did.

Or, ask someone to make you a tape so you can see it.

If you've been following along at home VERY closely, not much will surprise you in there. But, I think it's just really fun to see US, citizens, kicking butts and taking names. And, seeing Andy Stephenson was great.

[texpatriot2004]

21. thanks for the schedule and welcome to DU

:hi:

[EFerrari]

22. The film makes the vendors look like the world's biggest sleeze.

Which is pretty accurate. I give it an "A".

[texpatriot2004]

24. Very true. How are you sfexpat? nm

[EFerrari]

25. Okay, thanks. The showing here is just about over.

:hi:

[kster]

23. Kick n Recommended..

a nice and peaceful thread about the show, Thanks Garybeck