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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 03:03 AM
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The result of my trip to the Los Angeles County Registrar with daughter
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 03:11 AM by rumpel
Utterly useless!

The Norwalk HQ is only 30 some miles from my home. We left at 3pm, were stuck on the 405 and the 105 and again on the surface streets. We had 15 minutes until they closed for the week.

When we went up to the 3rd Floor, we were told to follow the red line drawn on the floor. The HQ still provides Early Voting and the signs are all geared towards that. The hallway is very narrow and right before we reached the room, we noticed a chair and some people standing around. It is a very short offshoot hallway, and to my surprise they had set up 3 Diebolds right in that small hallway, lined up with the backs towards us.

There were very few people in the waiting room or service area, and all the windows for other types of registrations were already closed or at least unmanned. There were several employees beyond the counter at their computers chatting and relaxed, and the man standing by the counter immediately started serving a young mother with her baby, who shared the elevator with us, but came to vote.
The place seemed...totally in a slumber mode.

We walked up to another window to tell the lady that my daughter is still not in the database, even though we mailed it now over three weeks ago, well before the October 23rd deadline. So she went to check on her computer. While she was checking, I had ample time to look around and saw maybe 2 more people walk in to vote. They checked in, and after verification they received a computer card and left the room. A sole test voting machine is placed near the check-in window, and I was thinking - so this is the infamous Diebold unit, and it proclaimed it's name as the most prominent and memorable as the rest appeared quite flimsy and unimpressive.
I noticed a small porcelain bowl, which is probably normally used for cereal, oatmeal or grits, on the counter and above it: "Please return cards here". No one really watching - no one really nearby, but sitting quite pretty with blue design bands near the top.
And my mind says: Did I not just post an article that some cards were missing....yes- in Tennessee.

The lady returned to confirm my daughter was not in the database. They are still, and will be inputting data now even through the 7th!
She was certainly unclear about the printing of the poll books, but assured me "they have a way." She stopped short of telling me: "what way". By the time I got to question her about the day of polling and her possibly not being in the poll book or whatever "other way", of course the suggestion was "provisional".
"I don't want her to vote "provisional", I complained. By then, two other guys walked closer to listen in and all three of them suggested we vote right there and then and she can use the provisional. We repeatedly declined and I made clear we Will not vote on those machines either.

However, what I found out is that the ballot (when paper is requested) is on InkaVote. It is not on "provisional", as the SOS's e-mail stated and we feared, at least in LA County. As I turned around, I saw three InkaVote units along one wall, with their backs into the room and 2 or 3 more Diebolds.

In any event, there is nothing that can be done until they complete the inputting of data, not even figure out whether they received it or not. The registration receipt stub is worthless - the number imprinted is worthless - unless they have in fact put her into their database.
So, my daughter is now freaking out that all of her information is floating around somewhere lost between the mailbox right by our house and who knows where or lost inside the registrars office. She now wants to change her ss#. "Child, and ss# is for life". :)

They suggested she fill out another registration to make sure she can vote in the next election. I opposed it, as there would now be 2 numbers, which could cause problems again.
"No", she assured me, "it will not be recorded until after the 7th".

That sent shudders down my spine, as I glance over to those employees sitting at their computers, chatting quietly and their computer screens have not really changed one keystroke in all the last 20 minutes we have been there- Could it be equally slow wherever they are inputting the data, I thought? If they do not complete the data input on even several hundred - those are the people, come Tuesday, who will be surprised having to vote on provisional - and ballots rejected thereafter during counting? There is no 1% audit of "provisionals", McCormack said. The *pile.

"Are you sure, there will not be any confusion?"
By then the other 2 employees also chimed in and my daughter filled out another one right there.
"This one", she said, "I make sure, and see - I am stamping myself." Little solace, I thought.

On the way out, I glanced into the small hallway with the machines. There was a man voting alone on the very last machine. The man sitting in the chair, had his back to the machines but facing the foot traffic = us - and was preparing to read.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:10 AM
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1. Wow... you really need to pass this information along and raise holy hell. n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:18 PM
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2.  Imagine what will happen with uninformed voters....
I must add to this, that I'm also in LA county, and recently went to talk to the democratic party lawyers. I asked what sort of problems were most common here and where we should lookf or them, and they basically said there are no problems in LA county. The dem party is acting like a brick wall to election protection, in my opinion.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:53 PM
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3. That is the exact problem. LA is very Blue: Complacency.
A false sense of having the majority secured.
And I never understood why the Dem Party is turning their back on the voting issue as a whole, and only reluctantly participate. I can only speculate.

In the last close to 20 years in my same residential area - there have been major changes - in 2004 we saw many W stickers.
A lot of people moved into this quiet area, who changed the whole aura of this place.

I believe in general what happened in 2004 in CA is padding. They know, it is Blue overall, but tweaking it just enough to gradually build up so it is not so obvious, besides it can add to the popular vote.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 12:12 AM
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4. .
K&R

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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:46 AM
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5. The Registrar thinks it's ok to make software changes without State's ok
other interesting things regarding LA County Registrar

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-voting13nov13,1,531224.story?coll=la
-headlines-california


Los Angeles Times
November 13, 2003

Secretary of State Orders Audit of All Counties' Voting Systems
Review of upgraded touchscreen software leads to
discovery that two registrars installed it
without state's OK.

By Allison Hoffman and Tim Reiterman, Times Staff Writers

Responding to revelations that at least one
county used unapproved voting software in the
Oct. 7 recall election, Secretary of State Kevin
Shelley has ordered an audit of voting systems
used in all 58 California counties.
State elections officials reviewing an upgraded
version of Diebold Inc.'s Accuvote touchscreen
voting machines for future certification were
told by company employees that the new software
had already been installed in Alameda and Plumas
counties - without state approval.


The software had been certified by a federal panel for use in the
states.
"We believed that with the federal certification
, we were meeting state
certification," said Diebold spokesman David
Bear. He said the company would cooperate with
the audit.
Shelley also said he would require the chief
executive of each voting system company to
affirm, under penalty of perjury, that no
significant changes be made to elections systems
or software without asking for approval from the
secretary of state's office.

<snip>

Bradley Clark, Alameda County's registrar, said
that the new software had been installed before
the recall election, but Kathleen Williams,
Plumas County's registrar, said that she had not
installed the upgrade before the election.

Los Angeles County Registrar Conny B. McCormack
said the incident highlighted ongoing uncertainty
in Sacramento about how to regulate electronic
voting.

She said all counties in the state, whether they
use electronic or mechanical voting systems, had
installed significant software upgrades in the
past several years to accommodate changes to
primary voting and to handle the unique recall
election itself.

"All of us have made changes to our software -
even major changes - and none of us have gone
back to the secretary of state," McCormack said.
"But it was no secret we've been doing this all
along. knew we were making changes."
--
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:30 AM
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6. Voting should NOT be this complicated
!!!
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