Media recount in 2000 documented Gore won Florida with fair count under Fl. law

[philb]

So why was nothing ever done to give him credit for winning???

The Media recount after the election determined what I knew from the start that Gore had large numbers of legal under Florida law votes in several counties such as Palm Beach, Duval, Hilsboro, Gadsden, etc. that had poorly designed "butterfly ballots" that allowed voters to vote for a presidential candidate twice. In some of the large counties the voters in minority areas were even given instructions that incouraged them to do so. But these votes where the voter voted for "almost always" Gore twice and not for any other candidate, were legal votes under Florida law since the intent of the voter was clear. But for arbitrary and superficial reasons, since I informed many officials about the situation the day after the election, the votes were never counted. I informed both state officials and Dem party officials.
I still don't understand why knowingly legal votes were not counted. Both the existance and legality of the votes was confirmed by the large Media recount effort. The whole charade about chads was unnecessary and immaterial to the outcome of the election. Gore won easily without considering chad.

But there were also tens of thousands of legal Dem voters who were known to be legal voters who were purged by the SOS and SOEs that has also been confirmed. And other known manipulations of the election rules. With these and a fair count, Gore would have won by 20,000 to 30,000 votes. The exit polls were correct, in a fair election Gore would have won big, as the exit polls indicated. Ever since, exit polls have had a bad image, and apparently the Media now assume when the exit polls don't match official results, your have to adjust the exit polls to official results which are assumed to be correct. But given the huge amount of documented irregularities in recent elections, its should be obvious that the exit polls are much more likely to be accurate than the official results. So we need to revisit the whole issue of exit polls and what their purpose is.

Some sites documenting the Media results that Gore won in 2000; there are lots of others as well
(and note that none of these studies took into account other known irregularities such as illegal purges, illegal absentees, manipulation of registrations and absentees, etc.)

Theft of the Election, Redux
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/12/ana04030.html
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010212/corn20010131
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_recount
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/flor-m28.shtml
http://www.slate.com/?id=2058603
http://www.slate.com/id/2058631/
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2004/09/would_gore_or_w.html

[The Deacon]

1. You Mean President Gore?

Why do you think so many of us refer to "the pResident"?

[Old and In the Way]

2. The final review of the count was issued on 9/11/01.

It got buried. Election crimes were committed by the brother of the man who benefited. His cousin called the election for the media on Fox. The whole family ought to be behind bars.

[immerlinks]

3. RE: The whole family ought to be behind bars.

They will be, now that the investigative arm of the government is in unbiased hands. The Bushes will be going down, literally and figuratively, very soon.

[Pierzin]

4. I'm Agnostic, but I'm gonna Pray that they will.

For if there is a God/Goddess, she must see the peril that we are in, and redress what has happened here.:cry: What happened during Watergate? Someone or some someones should also charge the MSM for complicity in these last six years! :argh: If I recall correctly, the MSM media back then was aghast and horrified by the dirty tricks of Tricky Dick. Yet the current cabal has a new scandal every week, if not a few new scandals every week, and it is barely a soundbite on the evening news.

And the GOP is the party of high moral values and piety??

For all this time, have the Feds could have invested in infrastructure to our highways, to our cities? How many scholarships could we have had with all the Iraq costs? How many universities, how many public works projects could have provided jobs, bought books, improved health care, made green fuels, etc etc etc...:eyes: :eyes: :crazy: :crazy: :puke: :puke:

[elehhhhna]

18. All in good time,my pretties. All in good time.

[moodforaday]

5. Link for the date, please?

The sources linked in OP say recount results were published on November 12.

[Old and In the Way]

8. I have to retract.

Just spent an hour looking for a cite. I could have sworn that the there was a review conducted by the major media outlets, evaluating the Florida results from a number of different scenarios. I also recall that the release of this was 9/11/01. But I can't find a cite to confirm it.

[Febble]

12. Try here:

The Wrong Man is President! Overvotes in the 2000 Presidential Election in Florida

and

The Butterfly Did It: The Aberrant Vote for Buchanan in Palm Beach County, Florida


Also:

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm

[OnTheOtherHand]

14. as to the release date

There never was a release scheduled for 9/11/01, as far as I can tell, but it seems to be true that the media sponsors put the story on the back burner for a while after 9/11 because they thought it was a lousy time to publish such a story.

I can't vouch for the content of the link: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1022-03.htm

[Old and In the Way]

20. Thanks...I could have sworn that the release was slated to be 9/11/01

but I couldn't even locate the actual news release on the review....

[Liberal Dose]

9. Thank you. I thought I was the only person in the world who remembered.

I was excited and looking forward to the news coming out officially, wondering what the aftermath would be. So of course when the day finally arrived, the thought crossed my mind that the attacks were timed to draw attention away from the release of proof that the Presidency was stolen.

[bobbieinok]

16. way I remember it

There was a major newspaper consortium that examined the votes; they got the OK after a MAJOR FIGHT. There was a plan to destroy the ballots.

They were to publish their results near 9-11. For a while after 9-11 there was an attempt to quash the report. Finally it was published/reported; there was some 'delay' for 'adjustment.'

The first report of the investigation said something like this in the headline/1st paragraph 'report shows Bush would still have won.' The headline twisted the story to leave the impression of legitimacy. Buried toward the end of the report was the result that Gore would have won in all but one of the possible count/recount methods.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. I was waiting for those results, and when they came, it was nothing

like you wrote. Do you think that the crap they published back then, which did concluded that Bush won, was hedged to give Bush an edge of support because of the 9/11 attacks? And if so, who was responsible for squelching the information?

AND, is it possible, at least for those who believe in LIHOP of MIHOP, that they calculated 9/11 into the formula because they KNEW with a Pearl Harbor event, everyone would have to tighten the wagons and support Bush?

[DocSavage]

7. What do you suggest?

Gore be sworn in tomorow? Kerry might be a bit peaved about that. It was 6 years ago. Get over it. There have been 2 people that have stated thier intentions to run in 08. That is where your attention should be.

[philb]

10. Are you suggesting that the statute of limitations has run out on fraud and illegal actions?

I think election manipulation/fraud and illegal dirty tricks should be prosecuted when documented.
And there has been a huge amount documented in 2000,2002,2004,2006.
why are they not being prosecuted? Are elections not important?

[DocSavage]

11. lets start here

I would think that the DNC would be very motivated to pursue election fraud if the organization had any reasonable thought about winning. The Democratic party has very smart people in it. Don't you think that if there was proof that a democrat lost the 00 race due to vote manipulation the senior leadership of the party would do something?

IMO the reason that there is no prosecution is that the issue is being kept alive by a very small, very very small group that just will not drop it. Are you going to drop it if a Democrat gets in the white house in 08? What if a Republican wins? Look at the races in MD and MT. I think that if the results were reversed, the same group talking about election fraud would be demanding re-counts and pushing for investigations.

Al Gore did concede http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/transcripts/121300/t651213.html I really do believe that if he felt strongly about the end result being fraudulent, he would have kept pushing. Give it up already, it is starting to sound like the Roswell crowd.

[rumpel]

13. It is not a "small group" of people

nor does it have anything to do who gets elected in 08.

It is about the integrity of our voting system.

[philb]

15. I was there and saw it happen. The facts were totally documented.

The Dems did want it pursued. But those in power prevented it; just like happened in Ohio where a huge amount of
fraud, manipulation, and illegal dirty tricks were documented in 2004. The cases were brought, but those in power were Repubs. But thats changed in Ohio.

What is it that you are worried about if the known wrong doers are pursued?

[elehhhhna]

19. There is no staute of limitations on Treason.

[elehhhhna]

17. This was coming out when 911 conveniently occurred, and

"changed everything".