"The Dutch Diebolds" or "Holland, We have a Problem" or "Yep, it's a global catastrophe."

[elehhhhna]

November 13, 2006
The Dutch Diebolds

The longer, the more I work with computers, the less I trust them. Next Wednesday is election day over here in The Netherlands, so it's all about voting - and voting computers - in the newspapers over here every day.

Some people, who know a lot about it, come and tell that there's nothing wrong with our voting computers, and that they're much more reliable than the red pencils. Even though in a number of cities in Holland the red pencil is the preferred way of voting next week, because of problems with the machines.

I know some people, who have been volunteers on election day for years, and who admit that every once in a while they miss one vote during the final count at night, even thoughthey've been following all protocols and procedures all day. The Dutch Diebold people - company named Nedap - point out that a voting computer wouldn't miss a vote, but then again, these stories are only told by either the people who make and sell the Nedap machines or...


http://krijnen.com/archives/000547.shtml#more

Let's keep our eyes on this to see out how a REAL progressive society dumps E-voting.

[Turbineguy]

1. One of the checks they have

is that there are lots of political parties. No party is in control there to the extent the rethugs were in the US in 2000 and 2004. Also one of the problems we had in the US was the trust that people had in the system to be honest. That trust does not exist here anymore. The rest of the world has seen, if it can happen in the US, it can happen anywhere.

[BlueJazz]

2. Yep...as a Tech and an Assembly Language Programmer.....

..and one who knows people that are REALLY good "Crackers", I laugh at the statements by diebold concerning their Security and such.

It's almost like saying: "I wrote the code for this program but I don't have the slightest idea how to change it"

Ah..Yeah...Right!

[BushSpeak]

3. The machines are coming to France also

Hi elehhhhna,

Greetings from France.

We've got the same problem as 15 cities will be going electronic for elections next spring and we use the Nedap machines too. So I'll be interested to see how things go in the Netherlands.

If you get any articles on machine failures or public opinion against, I would be interested in a copy.

Florida CD-13 is a good case study for us as ES&S machines are also certifed here in France.

Best of luck.

bushspeak

[Amaryllis]

4. did you see this on ES&S?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x458654

[BushSpeak]

5. Thanks - great links

This was especially good for the corrupt history of ES&S.

http://www.madcowprod.com/11152006.html">Voting Company Official - Sarasota Recount in Election Bribe Scandal