News Flash (Maybe) If You Haven't Heard Yet! Jennings District 13 Race!

[ChiciB1]

Looks like THEY DID IT AGAIN! For anyone interested, please check out today's Sarasota Herald Tribune article about this race. Here's the link www.sarasotaheraldtribune.com

I am so MAD I could SPIT nails! Manual recount was supposed to start TODAY in Sarasota county, however has been put off until tomorrow, or so we're told! Too many games going on to date. At the meeting last night we were told by lawyers Coffey & Heckler that they are willing to go forward with the recount, but (and these are my words) they are being cagey about times & how the tapes from the machines will be viewed. They don't have a clue as to what the print outs will show from the ES&S machines, whether they will show race by race or simply a total count. They haven't been told what they will see. But that information WON'T be pursued until the manual recount of absentees is finished.

But it seems ONCE AGAIN... that the ballot DESIGN is at fault! Too bad voters, YOU ARE STUPID, once again!

I freely admit that I voted for Jan Schneider in the primaries, but got involved with this recount because I'm SICK & TIRED of this stuff happening. This IS NOT Democracy in action here!!!! Anyway, for anyone interested in this, it seems the suggestion is that Jennings should concede and wait for two years and run again.. that is if enough votes can't be found by absentees under votes!

WHY DO I PUT MYSELF THROUGH THIS???

[sam sarrha]

1. the RepugNuts learned a lot from Mexico's vote counting system

[ChiciB1]

2. And I Wonder How Many Times The Idiot Kissed Fox's Ass! n/t

[Peace Patriot]

3. "Why do I put myself through this?" Well, I can only thank you for doing

so! Thank you profoundly, from the bottom of my heart! Thank you a thousand times! Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are our eyes and ears on the process--on the visible parts of the process by which our elections are being fixed. And I know this: restoring transparent vote counting is not going to be easy, and is not going to happen overnight. This is a long term project of restoring oversight of our elections. You are a very fine writer, and are in a great position to see what's going on and to spread the word. If you fail in your immediate goal--getting a fair recount in that Congressional election--take good notes, keep on writing about it and informing the public, and give over the burden TO the public, and to activist progressive Democrats and others, to work on it. You CANNOT solve this problem ALONE. It's a HUGE problem, and a deep and complicated one (as to politics, corruption, corporate profiteering, etc.), that can only be solved collectively over time. You've already done a tremendous job of witnessing, explaining and informing. Do what you can. Don't drive yourself crazy with it. Don't burn out--be a steady flame! And, again, thank you! You are right in it--in the pit of slime that our elections have become! I suggest a sauna, a hot tub and/or a massage! Or other cleansing therapy. Bless you for being there!

[philb]

4. Clear that Jennings won; statements of voters, poll workers, other doc. at other thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=457470&mesg_id=457470

Dist 13 had a butterfly ballot again like the one that swung many thousands of votes from Gore in 2000 in Duval and
Palm Beach Counties, but only on some machines. The Congressional race was on page 1 with only Buchanan. Jennings was off on page 2 in small print with no indication of Cong. Dist 13 race context.


On many of the other machines the race was listed as usual, but many of the machines were switching Jennings vote to a blank when the voter went on to vote on other things. Some who looked at the review page found no Cong Dist 13 candidate chosen, though they had voted on page 1. This is known as "delayed switch to blank" and was commonly done in 2004 in
several counties in Florida, in Ohio, in California, etc. Examples of reported cases from 2004 like the ones reported in Sarasota this time are shown on the other thread.



Also, if you impound the machines to not let what caused the problem be "fixed", and have someone who understands how they work, you can virtually always determine what caused the "glitch".

Since the butterfly ballot design swung a Presidential election in Florida in 2000 and was hugely publicized,
I would assume that if the SOE and SOS approved the design they did it knowingly and deliberately to swing votes as happened in 2000. The results are very predictable. Is there a possibility other than malfeasance?

[emlev]

5. Undervote understatement

"Unlike the attorney general race, the undervote issue could be critical in District 13 because Buchanan won by just 377 votes -- a small enough margin to be affected by undervotes."

Gee, d'ya think? When there were 18,000 of them?