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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:47 AM
Original message
Major election manipulation reported in Ohio Kilroy Congressional race-similar to Sarasota & more
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 11:49 AM by philb
It appears that the votes in Kilroys Congressional race were manipulated in a manner similar to the Florida Sarasota race
and in many additional ways as well
see the following reported by voters to the Election Protection hotline:

Ballot Problems
5309 Other Problem Franklin Ohio Did not see Pryce-Kilroy on votes or Mik, Routty or Brown County ...illegible

5303 Other Problem Franklin Ohio Southmoon Middle Kilroy not on ballot

1725 Other Problem Franklin Ohio Moler Elementary School Caller believes not all candidates were on ballot. (electronic voting machine). She said Deborah Price and Mary-Jo Kilroy were absent from the ballot. Did not contact a poll worker about it.

5573 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio East Point Christian Church voter was concerned that one Franklin County race did not appear on the ballot - the two candidates running for the particular race are Debra Price and Marj Jo Kilroy.

5449 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Blackburn Recreation Ctr problem with Mary Jo Kilroy / Barbara Price election on electronic machines. Voter's sister had same problem at South High School polling place


Machine Problems/Switching/Compilers
Franklin
5579 Voter Intimidation Problem Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio CW Senior Center Yes caller was at polling place at 6:30; made selections for first office and he got an error message; when he made 2nd selection, told he cancelled vote; error screen told him he couldn't vote; poll worker hassled him; told him he did something wrong; screen changed his vote as he looked at it; told that machine was messed up; told that they would get hold of him but he never voted;

Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Indianola Church of Christ No Voted for one candidate but reviewed ballot and noticed that machine had recorded vote for a different candidate.

3480 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Scottish Corners Elementary School Yes Electronic voting machine refused to register vote for several candidates and one of the issues; machine also cancelled a vote for one candidate, which had to be re-input

3215 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Northwest Career Center Yes Voted one way, but machine marked another name. Pollworker helped. Took him 3x and 1/2 hour to get his vote counted correctly

2510 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Worthington Park Elementry Yes Issues with touch screen voting. Tried voting for one candidate, another one came up (caller was voting democrat & republican came up). Had to cancel and re try a few more times. Happend for 2-3 other candidates. Check box system. Also a ballot initiative (amendment #5). Poll worker came over to help void that one. Not responding correctly--new machines. Said something at the polling place, no one was concerned about issue. Caller worried that there are ppl who might not notice the issue

1723 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Little Turtle Fire Station Yes Voter tried to vote for one candidate for Secretary of State and the machine automatically switched the vote to the other candidate. He finally got the correct vote entered after numerous attempts and help from a poll worker and the head of the precinct.

Machine Problems/Glitches
5573 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio East Point Christian Church No caller and wife overheard poll workers saying that they used the wrong color cartridge for touch screen machines. Apparently supposed to se blue but they used yellow all morning - one poll worker told caller that he wasn't sure if votes would count. another poll worker told caller votes would count but it would "mess them up at the end of the day" (caller did not know what that meant).

4777 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio No Westervill 2B -- Vote reported was twice the actual (would be 99 % voting). Other precincts appear to have significant undervotes. Columbus 7F, 16C, and 26B. E.g., only 12 votes recorded in 7F.

1705 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Franklin Alternative Middle School Yes No voting equipment working at the site.
1401 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Hudson Elementary School Yes Voter reported that she tried to go back to review her vote -- and to change one and the machine would not let her go back


Security Problems
1264 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Franklin Alternate Middle School No When poll monitor arrived, there were police & security at polling place; was informed that there was a break-in situation at the location; legal call to BOE informed them of the situation for the first time & they were going to call the poll workers to try to determine the problem; poll monitor called again because he was told that the polls would open late because of the break-in and would not be open until 7am.


Additional other major problems affecting the Kilroy race:
www.flcv.com/franklin.html
www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:48 AM
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1. Do you have a link to this information?
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:53 AM
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2. I posted a link to the summary information & details
Here is the original EIRS link
http://eirs.cs.net:8080/EIRS_WEB/Reporting/displayUSReport.do

and another link to a different compilation by a different EP organization

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 06:36 PM
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16. Sorry, I gave the wrong link for Franklin Co. its:
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 09:06 AM
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21. EIRS observation: in Florida counties with voter reports like Franklin Co., high undervotes found
Edited on Sat Nov-25-06 09:07 AM by philb
in the precincts where the voters were reporting irregularities in ballot design such as
"the candidate wasn't listed" or "I didn't see the race" or "I voted for ___ but the vote disappeared"


This was the case in the following counties

Sarasota in the close Congressional Dist 13 race

Charlotte, Sumter, Lee, Broward, Miami-Dade, and Seminole in the close Florida Attorney Generals race

All of these counties were ES&S touch screen counties, except Seminole which was Diebold Accuvote

All except Seminole had reports of the above nature, where people were aware that they were unable or had a hard time
voting for the preferred candidate.

There were similar voter reports and undervotes found in many counties, esp. Florida and Ohio in 2004.
(but Fl.& Ohio got more attention from me)


Any idea on why Seminole could have high undervotes in 3 high profile top level Florida cabinet races in an optical
scan county, without getting reports similar to those of voters in the touch screen counties??
Other opti-scan counties had low undervotes in Congressional and Cabinet races.


Has anyone checked precincts in the areas where voters reported not getting to vote in the Kilroy race for undervotes?


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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 09:27 AM
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22. EIRS obs. 2, in Florida counties with reported "long lines", official turnout is lower than normal
Edited on Sat Nov-25-06 09:42 AM by philb
As documented by detailed analysis of 2 elections in all precincts of a county,
the precincts that had reports of "widespread machine malfunctions" or "long lines" had significantly lower official turnout in the election where this was reported, and also lower than for other precincts in the same election without such reports.

Based on largescale EP monitoring records, these reports clearly come most often from minority precincts, and are correlated with " too few machines assigned" , "much less machines than the previous election",
"only ___ machines were working" , "anti-democratic dirty tricks reported in the area" ,etc.

Thus it seems that low official turnout in minority precincts is often a result of political intent and deliberate malfeasance rather than low motivation or accident or random occurance. This conclusion is based on thousands of
reports in such precincts compared to turnout data.

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. "low turnout in areas with long lines, broken machines,voters unable to vote" is due to malfeasance
in most cases.

From experience with the system in my county, I am aware that there are counties where these types of occurances virtually never happen. That poll workers in a large county have access to computerized records of the proper precinct
for all voters, and voters voting in the wrong precinct is usually a case of offical or pollworker malfeasance or misfeasance. Thus large numbers of eligible voters who are unable to vote(which clearly occurs widely) is virtually always a result of official and/or pollworker misfeasance or malfeasance and usually deliberate.


Ohio has had these problems on a widespread scale in the last 2 elections. From the evidence, I think it is clear that
this is a result of malfeasance and intent, rather than other reasons.

Anyone disagree?

I note that Ohio isn't alone in this problem, just that its been a major factor in swinging some election results in
Ohio and Florida in the past 2 elections. This has likely occurred in other areas as well. I note that the same could be said of efforts to prevent students from voting;

evidence
www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html
www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html
www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html
www.flcv.com/summary.html
www.flcv.com/studentv.html

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #21
48. Op Scans may not be set to warn voters about undervotes.
It's not a HAVA requirement brother -- only overvote rejects are.

If you undervote on a DRE and it's working "correctly" you'll see it on the Summary Screen, but the only way you will know on a scanner is if the ballot reject settings are set to warn voters about undervotes as well as overvotes. Often times, they aren't. Once that paper ballot disappears into the scanner, there's no telling what's being counted and what's not.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:53 AM
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3. More and more information is coming out about this stuff.
It has happened all over the place apparently. I bet there are a lot more cases that no one even noticed or complained about.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:56 AM
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4. Looks like the Kilroy race may be at least as much of Florida/Sarasota
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 11:57 AM by philb
the links I've already posted have documentation on similar all over the country

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp

http://eirs.cs.net:8080/EIRS_WEB/Reporting/displayUSReport.do

Does anyone know if the Kilroy campaign is aware of this??
Are they following the Election Protection monitoring results?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:08 PM
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6. Yes they are aware of this.
They have had lawyers working on this from election night.

Other story 30 machines did not turn in any votes ... just found
out about it 2 weeks after the election.*

The head of the Franklin County BOE is not to be trusted.
Republican operative.



*
But (Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matthew) Damschroder said one post-election discovery will add to Monday's official tally.

Votes from about 30 electronic machines in 12 county precincts weren't counted on election-night, he said, because poll workers didn't shut them down properly.

That would add another 1,800 or more votes countywide — and an unknown smaller number in the Pryce-Kilroy race — if those machines matched the average number of votes cast per machine across Franklin County.


http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=22...
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:12 PM
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8. Sounds like they aren't aware of most of this, what is noted is small part
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 12:22 PM by philb
Most of what is included here is different and not included in what your article/link is talking about.
Though every little bit helps, there appears to be a lot of unethical conduct in the Ohio elections still,
like in Florida, and some other places.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Well they know now
I just copied the problems and links and sent em to the top
attorney for Kilroy .... i worked in the campaign.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 06:01 PM
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26. AB problems in Franklin & other, rec./n.req; req/n.rec.; not received,malfeasance
Possible Misfeasance or Malfeasance (EIRS reports) (which are which or etc.?)
3115 Absentee Problem Registration Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Wants to vote by absentee ballot, but was told that she was not registered. When I placed her into the Ohio voter information database, she is listed.

1042 Absentee Problem Franklin Ohio Voter and her husband requested absentee ballots for both this and the May primary. This time, voter said she had to call BOE three times before they finally sent the request card. Has still not received absentee ballot. Voter is blind and has diabetes. She also said that her friends who all requested ballots received them.

652 Absentee Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Caller sent application for absentee ballot last week of September 2006. On October 6, the Board of Elections returned the form and said the new form required last four digits of social security number or driver's license number. Caller responded with both SS# and DL# and mailed the revised application to the Board of Elections. He didn't receive the absentee ballot after a number of days, so caller called the Board of Elections to follow-up. Caller was advised by the Board of Elections that his application for absentee ballot had been received and that his absentee ballot was being mailed to him and he would have a soon. Shortly thereafter, the caller received correspondence from the Board of Elections, but it was not his absentee ballot - it was a guide telling him where to go to vote and giving general information about the election. Caller never received an absentee ballot. Caller, a senior citizen and veteran, is upset, "very hurt" and indicated that he is "too hurt" to

90 Absentee Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Requested that absentee ballot be sent to Holland. Called back 2 weeks later (no ballot) and was told he could ask that it be sent to Ohio address; still no ballot Called today and county said would send ballot express mail; he is concerned he won't get it.

56 Absentee Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Has not recd absentee ballot wants to know how she will vote.

214 Absentee Problem Hamilton Ohio She said that she called the election office to ask for an Absentee Ballot because her sister is sick and she'll be out of town on Nov. 7. The State had told her that she had to either go in to pick up a ballot or otherwise right a letter because it was too close to election day. The candidate for whom she was going to vote told her to call us.

3427 Absentee Problem Registration Problem Student Voting Problem Lorain Ohio Daughter requested an absentee ballot. Received letter saying she was not registered. Called Board of elections. Told she was registered.

3181 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Absentee Problem Registration Problem Registration Inquiry Problem Franklin Ohio She recently changed address. Went to get absentee ballot last week and was told registration address change did not occur on time.

4023 Absentee Problem Fairfield Ohio Her daughter called the board of elections the week before the election and said that she had not received her absentee ballot. They said that they had sent her one and would not send a second one.

74 Absentee Problem Franklin Ohio Caller and husband moved to new county about three months ago; caller mailed voter registration forms for herself and her husband the middle of October; caller received voter registration cards for herself and her husband; caller mailed requests for absentee ballots in late October; husband received his absentee ballot; caller received a letter returning her absentee ballot application and stating that she was not registered to vote, despite that caller had received voter registration card; caller called the board of election to inquire about her application for absentee ballot had been rejected, since she has a valid voter registration; board of election personnel told caller that it was "too late" that they were processing applications that they already had and, according to caller, was mean.

3181 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Absentee Problem Registration Problem Registration Inquiry Problem Franklin Ohio She recently changed address. Went to get absentee ballot last week and was told registration address change did not occur on time.

3056 Absentee Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Voter made a mistake on an absentee ballot. Voter contacted BOE and was told he could go to the polling location and cast a vote. The rolls reflected that his absentee ballot was already recorded even though he never mailed it. Voter was allowed to cast a provisional ballot.

Received AB w/o requesting, forced to vote provisional

3207 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Registration Problem Franklin Ohio Received an absentee ballot in the mail, but did not request one. Voter tried to call BOE, but did not get through.

5513 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Miami Ohio Rolls said he had received an absentee ballot, but he hadn't ordered it. They allowed him to vote provisionally.



Requested AB but vote on election day provisionally

3101 Absentee Problem Registration Problem Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio south high school Voter did not request absentee ballot and said they had not voted one. Voter instructed to use provisional because poll workers thought voter had already voted via absentee.

5581 Absentee Problem Franklin Ohio not totally clear what happened, but voter had a problem with his absentee ballot - poll workers made him bring in his absentee ballot on election day and turn it in?

5532 Absentee Problem Franklin Ohio Meshiah Church Has not moved since registering, but was sent an absentee ballot, although she did not request one. She went to register in person and was on the list, but they made her use a provisional ballot regardless.

5116 Absentee Problem Registration Problem Registration Inquiry Problem Franklin Ohio South High School voter is registered and has voted in general elections before. Her name was not on register. She received white card mailer no more than six weeks ago.

685 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Franklin Ohio Didn't receive his ballot and wanted to file a complaint

598 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Franklin Ohio Question regarding absentee voting for hospitalized voter (call came from America Votes volunteer).

735 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Franklin Ohio Caller requested absentee ballot and never received it. Calling to find out what to do and how to vote.

5434 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Lorain Ohio Caller did not vote absentee; wanted to vote provisionally.

4304 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Cuyahoga Ohio Fairhill Center for the Aging Voter requested an absentee ballot but was out of town when it was mailed to her. She just returned from out of town and would like to know if she could still vote because the absentee voting deadlines had passed.

3070 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Registration Inquiry Problem Cuyahoga Ohio 1) Have moved w/in Ohio. 2) Can't make it to polls on election day.

2228 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Delaware Ohio Caller received absentee ballot but did not mail it. Voter wanted to vote in-person instead, but was told that she could only vote by provisional ballot, which she did not want to do.

1081 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Lucas Ohio Grace Lutheran Church Voter requested an absentee ballot but had not received to this day. She would like to know whether she can still vote tomorrow.

687 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Delaware Ohio Caller requested and received an absentee ballot, but was out of town and was not able to mail in to ensure receipt by election day.

483 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Summit Ohio Voter requested an absentee ballot, which she just received this past Saturday. Four her vote to count, the ballot must be received by the Board of Elections by the end of business today. However, this is an impossibility. She wants to know if she can still vote. The voter is disabled.

175 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Trumbull Ohio voter wanted to know if he could still vote absentee and have someone else deliver ballot

5222 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Clermont Ohio caller requested absentee ballot from Clermont County BOE but never received it. Suspects Republican run gov't did not want to send ballot to registered democrat.

5312 Absentee Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Solon Arts Center caller was forced to vote by provisional ballot because he was told that he requested an absentee ballot (which he did not) - he said that this happened to a
number of other people

310 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Hamilton Ohio Out of town unexpectedly and would like to vote absentee.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. Anyone heard anything about the provisional counting? and whether
Kilroy is challenging based on the widespread irregularities
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html

anyone heard what the rules are for which provisionals will be counted?
the rules may decide the race, if other irregularities aren't contested.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:05 PM
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5. The Wulsin Cong. race was likely similarly affected- what counties were in her area?
Touch Screen Switching and Compiler Problems in Ohio

5764 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio VFW #9963 No Husband taking time voting. Print ballot, retry, machine cancelled vote; with Diebold; complained and allowed to revote, but was told at first that he would not be able to; another person had votes change on confirmation screen

5716 Polling Place Problem Butler Ohio Zion Global Ministries No Diebold -- Wrong person's name showed summary screen. had to revote entire ballot - rather than just change what was wrong. While he was in the process of remarking his ballot for the third time, the machine on its own (without him re-marking his choices for several races or pressing cast ballot) cast his ballot and he was done without having voted in several races.

5696 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio Butler Twp. Trustee Bldg. No Middle machine not correctly recording vote

5684 Polling Place Problem Hamilton Ohio Madisonville Recreation Center No Marking ballot incorrect. Given another ballot. Poll workers trying to mark ballot. Trying to scribble though old ballot. Poll worker trying to assist putting into machine. Does not like new ballot. Very confusing.

5546 Polling Place Problem Hamilton Ohio Winton Hills Recreation Center Yes Polling place did not have working electronic scanners for the entire day. Poll worker reported that appx. 115 ballots were cast. They were placed in an "emergency" envelope designed for use in an electrical failure. Poll worker reported that the ballots will be scanned at the Board of Elections. Poll worker also reported that the first 25 ballots did not scan correctly.

5338 Polling Place Problem Fairfield Ohio Madill School No Summary page did not show last to ballot issues. He went to election officials who were clueless about operations of the machines and had no idea what to do. While he was discussing problem with election workers, the machine cast his ballot. He was later told that the machines are set to cast the ballot after 2 minutes of inactivity as many people walk away without pressing the cast ballot button.

4374 Polling Place Problem Trumbull Ohio Lordstown High School No Woman tried to vote for candidate and it selected other candidate. It took her three touches to unselect that choice and when she did it again it did it again. She finally got it right after several tries but was concerned about this. Man in front of her in this booth reported the same problem. The machine was #3 in line in the high school. In addition pollworkers were unhelpful - almost rude.

3995 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio No Touch screen not registering her vote and certain votes. Trying to vote for Sherrod Brown but it wouldn't register. Pollworker said maybe screen needed to be cleaned off. Her husband had the same problem.

3914 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio No Voter machine switching votes

3856 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio No Machine only showed one page to verify her vote. She wasn't able to verify all of her votes on the screen. Poll worker checked printer tape and it was correct, so she voted. 2 machines did the sae thing ( her husband had the same problem).

3756 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio No 3 machines. She voted on middle machine & it was not recording the right votes. Poll worker helped her for 20 min and still was not able to vote the way she wanted.

3501 Polling Place Problem Stark Ohio No 1001 Mahoning Rd NE Canton, OH 44704, electronic ballot machine did not work for Sherrod Brown or to vote to raise minimum wage.

3467 Polling Place Problem Butler Ohio Westchester Township Library Yes voted one way, but everything came out opposite. pollworker could not assist. took an extremely long time to vote. The machine would not record it correctly.
3353 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio No Print out on issues 4 and 5 was opposite of what the voter voted.

3333 Polling Place Problem Montgomery Ohio lutheran church of our savior No touch screen was not registering votes and the machine was skipping certain races altogether.

2511 Polling Place Problem Lucas Ohio Sylvan Elementary School Yes She waited in line for a long time. Entire voting experince took 50 minutes. Machine slow to accept her votes and kept switching the name of the candidate. She kept having to correct when the wrong selection appeared on machine

2240 Polling Place Problem Hamilton Ohio First Unitarian Yes Voter attempted to vote yes on Issue 4 and No on Issue 5. Machine would not allow the vote on Issue 5. Ballot only accepted the vote on Issue 4 when Issue 5 was left blank. Voter was in polling place for 25 minutes.

2136 Polling Place Problem Cuyahoga Ohio University Heights, Ohio No Voter reports that on "machine #3" that he tried to vote for Melody Stewart for a local judge race. Vote was recorded instead on print out for Brian ___, the other candidate. After some time passed, voter was able to correct his vote. Voter was also told by election officials that the machine had been having problems all morning.

Polling Place Problem Greene Ohio Greene County BOE Yes Diebold DRE Machine swithced vote for Govenor. he caught it on summary screen and was able to correct it before voting, but is concerned that others might not notice the switch. He has photos of the switch. Is sending an email with more detailed report

2644 Other Problem Hamilton Ohio No Voter was turned away because of insufficient identification. Voter had current liscense with an old address. Poll worker told voter to go and get utility bill with current address.


Other major manipulations:
www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html

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BillORightsMan Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:06 PM
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10. Quick summary
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 01:11 PM by BillORightsMan
A quick rundown of problems:

  • machine cancelled vote
  • Wrong person's name showed summary screen
  • first 25 ballots did not scan correctly
  • !!!! later told that machines are set to cast the ballot after 2 minutes of inactivity!!!! HUH????
  • three touches to unselect that choice
  • Trying to vote for Sherrod Brown but it wouldn't register
  • machine switching votes
  • voted one way, but everything came out opposite
  • touch screen was not registering votes and the machine was skipping certain races altogether
  • Machine slow to accept her votes and kept switching the name of the candidate
  • Diebold DRE Machine swithced vote for Govenor


Lots of vote switching going on with these machines!
And machine records your vote after 2 minutes of inactivity??? Heck it took that long just to READ Issue 2!!!

And these are just the ones that were reported! How much of this went on UNDETECTED?

:grr:

ON EDIT: OH-15 is comprised of Western Franklin County, Union County & Madison County
pdf map
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. The EP data I just summarized was a small effort in 2006, not very extensive
there was a much bigger effort in 2004

there likely are more for these counties in the VotersUnite link I posted.
I haven't looked at it yet.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:07 PM
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11. Hamilton, Clermont, Warren...
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:18 PM
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12. Minority suppression, polling place problems, machine problems, dirty tricks, reported in Hamilton
http://www.flcv.com/hamiltn6.html



but Warren and Clermont apparently weren't covered by the EP efforts that I summarized.

Likely big problems there also, maybe someone else was paying attention there?

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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. Just to say:
I appreciate the great work you are doing here.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 12:04 PM
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25. Did anyone hear of more of these reports of Cong. D2 race not on ballot?
Edited on Sat Nov-25-06 12:05 PM by philb
142 Absentee Ballot Inquiry Hamilton Ohio Candidates for 2d district congressional seat are not listed on absentee ballott


The EP effort was minimal in this area in 2004.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:50 PM
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34. Franklin Precincts with high numbers of provisional ballots--what was going on there?
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 11:30 PM by philb
COLS 16-c 67
COLS 23-B 32
COLS 23-C 30
COLS 33-A 64
COLS 33-D 62
COLS 33-G 60
COLS 35-C 45
COLS 37-A 44
COLS 39-A 92
COLS 40-A 62
COLS 40-B 53
COLS 40-C 70
COLS 41-A 72
COLS 41-B 87
COLS 41-C 56
COLS 41-D 65
COLS 41-E 64
COLS 48-F 42
COLS 50-D 42
COLS 55-C 40
COLS 58-A 48

COLS 69-A 85
COLS 74-D 32
COLS 81-D 58
THERE WERE also OTHER PRECINCTS WITH HIGH PVs


were any of these due to having people in the wrong line in multi precinct polling places?

Don't they have a computerized list of the correct precincts in Franklin County?
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:35 PM
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35. Absentee Ballots submitted in Franklin Co. by party
Dem Repub Other Total
4,349 3,201 10,216 17,766


how did the official vote totals come out in Franklin and how do these compare?
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:10 PM
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7. Illegal Dirty Tricks to Suppress Minority Vote in both Kilroy & Wulsin races by Repubs
Dirty Tricks/Supression
5774 Other Problem Franklin Ohio No Received automated phone message from Reform America (reformamerica.com) stating that she should vote but provided an incorrect polling place in the wrong zip code.

Illegal Dirty Tricks/Voter Suppression
5756 Voter Intimidation Problem Hamilton Ohio No Woman was walking around a college neighborhood yesterday telling people they had to vote at a location 15 miles away. Voter/caller lives in Madisonville, polling place given by woman was in downtown.

4385 Voter Intimidation Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Alexander Hamilton No Voter was called night before Election day and told to vote at Selma George polling place. He knew to vote a Alex Hamilton polling place and did vote at Hamilton

846 Voter Intimidation Problem Hamilton Ohio No Woman was walking around yesterday and telling people (wrongly) in the Madisonville neighborhood that their polling place was 15 miles away in downtown Cincinnati.
727 Voter Intimidation Problem Cuyahoga Ohio Louisa May Alcott Elementary School No Voter received a voicemail from an organization called ICIU (he had no idea what this acronym stood for), which encouraged the voter to vote and informed him of his polling location (which was incorrect). The voter believes this is a deceptive practice used to confuse him. The voter just wanted to report this incident
698 Voter Intimidation Problem Ross Ohio Yes Received an unidentified phone call from someone telling him to vote at an incorrect location instead of his usual polling place
5548 Polling Place Problem Other Problem Hamilton Ohio No person was walking about Kennedy Heights and telling dems the wrong polling place (over the weekend); 4. voter that was a "sr." was purged, son,"jr." not purged

5774 Other Problem Franklin Ohio No Received automated phone message from Reform America (reformamerica.com) stating that she should vote but provided an incorrect polling place in the wrong zip code.
5548 Polling Place Problem Other Problem Hamilton Ohio No person was walking about Kennedy Heights and telling dems the wrong polling place (over the weekend);

410 Other Problem Polling Place Inquiry Problem Hamilton Ohio No Woman and her neighbors received a flier in the mail (mailbox) this week stating that their polling place had changed to 745 Derby. This address is across town

Student Suppression
3331 Polling Place Problem Lorain Ohio No Student called and said everyone is being made to vote provisionally.. He hung up before I could get anymore info re polling place, etc.

3001 Other Problem Hamilton Ohio No Caller called for a grad student who said they changed her polling place without letting her or anyone else know and people were waiting in long lines until they reached the desk and found out they were in the wrong place and had to go elsewhere. The student did get to vote in the other location. The calller was concenred that people were turned away and votes could be lost due to lack of enough time to vote.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:14 PM
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18. Thousands of voters were prevented from voting in 2006 in Franklin and Hamilton by malfeasnace and
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 07:22 PM by philb
official manipulation, and even more in Cuyahoga Co., etc.

Over a thousand voters, mostly minority apparently, were not allowed to vote in Franklin and large numbers likewise in Hamilton.
But the largest number of voters not allowed to vote in 2006 by official suppression was in Cuyahoga Co.- which clearly had many thousands who wanted to vote but weren’t allowed to. www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html
(in 2004 over 100,000 were prevented from voting in Cuyahoga) www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html


Apparent malfeasance of poll workers in Hamilton in 2006:
5170 Winnestee in Hamilton, Co.
Likewise for the poll workers at Bond Hill and for those involved in EIRS report # 5833
And the Madisonville Comm. Center precinct,

Some pollworkers were telling voters they only needed to put an x on the bubbles of the opti-scan sheets- did not need to fill in all of the bubble- I assume this was deliberate malfeasance.
Some of the poll worker malfeasance appears to have been systematic and flagrant.

www.flcv.com/Hamiltn6.html
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html
www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html

Cuyahoga seems to have had the most and the worst. Appears many thousands of votes are swung there every election by manipulation and suppression. How is that allowed to happen?? We don’t allow such in the County where I vote, but I’m aware it does happen in other Florida counties. In Leon county virtually no one ever votes provisional since in these times when computers are available all poll workers have access to the county voter rolls and know the correct precinct for all voters. Most "provisional votes" and eligible voters not allowed to vote (there appear to have been many hundreds of thousands) appear to me to be due to official or pollworker malfeasance. We have a system where in many places the intent is to keep people from voting, rather than encouraging voting as it should.


note I've sometimes given the 2004 URL for the EIRS reports for these counties- there was a bigger EP effort in 2004 than in 2006, and more voters called in. But its clear many thousands of votes were manipulated this year as well.


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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 02:41 PM
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14. Someone should correlate these reports by voters by precinct with undervotes and low turnout
for those precincts on the county SOE website.

Though this was a relatively small sample of voters who were aware of the hotline, noticed problems, and reported them,
it is likely that the reports of long lines, broken machines, disappearing votes, suppression, and manipulation reported by the voters is highly correlated and explains high undervotes and low turnout in the respective precincts.

It is clear that there were major efforts by Republicans to suppress minority vote and cause minorities to vote in the wrong precinct, thus losing their vote(I assume this is still true in Ohio?). The large amount of official/pollworker malfeasance and illegal dirty tricks to suppress minority votes should be followed up on. The same happened in 2004 and I'm surprised at the extent it also happened in 2006, since it was publicized in 2004.
Why aren't the pollworkers and political operatives, who in many cases are known, punished?

Why is this kind of thing allowed to continue to go on.
www.flcv.com/franklin.html
www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:33 PM
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33. Undervotes in Wulsin/Schmidt race in Hamilton County
Absentee UVs 468 3.35%
Precinct UVs 3,171 3.95%
Total UVs 3,639 3.86%

The County SOE pages in Union and Madison didn't have undervotes

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 06:29 PM
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15. I gave the wrong URL for the Franklin Co. irregularities involving voter suppression &
manipulation of machines in minority areas, and dirty tricks,etc. I think I gave the 2004 URL.
2006 is
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html

Has anyone heard what was going on with these two reports involving security and a possible "glitch"??
1264 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio Franklin Alternate Middle School No When poll monitor arrived, there were police & security at polling place; was informed that there was a break-in situation at the location; legal call to BOE informed them of the situation for the first time & they were going to call the poll workers to try to determine the problem; poll monitor called again because he was told that the polls would open late because of the break-in and would not be open until 7am.

4777 Polling Place Problem Franklin Ohio No Westervill 2B -- Vote reported was twice the actual (would be 99 % voting). Other precincts appear to have significant undervotes. Columbus 7F, 16C, and 26B. E.g., only 12 votes recorded in 7F.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:25 PM
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19. Here's a story in the Columbus Disgrace about votes..........

ELECTION’S FINAL TALLY
Board making sense of 40,000 confused votes
Friday, November 24, 2006
Robert Vitale
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


Ted Strickland will get the vote of the person who marked absentee-ballot ovals for everyone running for governor, then wrote "yes" next to his name and "no" next to the others.

J. Kenneth Blackwell will get the vote of the person who filled in the oval properly but also added him as a write-in candidate.

The absentee ballots spit out by computerized scanners because of improper marks are among tens of thousands of votes that went uncounted in Franklin County on election night, but they are making their way into a second, this-time-official tally to be announced on Monday.

The official canvass is usually a little-noticed punctuation mark at the end of an election season, the certification of numbers that will be recorded for posterity.

But four tight races and a huge increase in uncounted ballots, attributed to an expansion of absentee voting and confusion over new voteridentification rules, make the canvass a closely watched finale this year.

In 2004, the official count added about 13,300 votes to Franklin County’s election-night totals.


http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news/news.php?story=dispatch/2006/11/24/20061124-A1-02.html
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 12:03 AM
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20. Ohio county with most malfunctioning machines and voter suppression was Cuyahoga, again as in 2004
Cuyahoga County , Poll workers were incorrectly requiring some voters to fill out a provisional voter form, http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/election/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_vpdebate/archives/2006_11.html#201826

Forty-three of the county’s 573 voting places either failed to open on time or couldn’t get some or all of their electronic voting machines to work. Voters were turned away http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=6749

www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html

Most vote machines malfunction in Stark Co.
Stark County. Ohio, Diebold touch screens weren't working, forcing most to vote on paper provisionals, causing major delays in counting the votes; http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=6752


and other counties had illegal dirty tricks to suppress minority votes

Athens County. Prosecutor warns of fraudulent calls telling people their precinct had been changed
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/671
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 11:56 AM
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24. What are rules about provisional votes counting in Ohio? interpretion of rule will decide 2 races
Edited on Sat Nov-25-06 11:58 AM by philb
1. If a voter votes in a precinct other than his listed precinct, does his vote count?

2. If a voter moved before the election in the same precinct and didn't update his SOE info does his vote count?

3. If a voter moved from one precinct to another in the same county and didn't update his SOE info, which precinct should he vote in and in which precinct would his provisional vote count or not count?

4. If a voter moved from one county to another and updated his SOE info but had not updated his drivers licence, could he vote and would his provisional vote be counted if he is allowed to vote provisional?

5. If a person voted in a polling place with multiple precincts and voted in the wrong line/precinct, does his vote count?

(there seemed to be a major effort in Ohio by officials and some poll workers (and political operatives) to prevent minorities from voting or to ensure they voted in the "wrong" precinct. there are a very large number of examples of all 5 of these cases.
The decision to these questions is likely to decide 2 Congressional races given the current vote margins and the numbers of people affected by these questions.

Its clear that thousands likely voted in the wrong precincts in Ohio due to official/poll worker malfeasance or misfeasance- perhaps abetted by political dirty tricks.

Its clear that there were large numbers that moved since the last election without updating their SOE info.
From the reports it appears there may have been considerable poll worker misfeasance or malfeasance or lack of accurate information that will result in them having vote in a precinct other than their official precinct.

It appears that a large number were forced to vote provisionally due to not having had their drivers licence updated, or due to being a student voting in the college precinct but having a drivers license with home address. Will these provisionals be accepted? It appears some were told to vote in their "old" precinct. will those be accepted?

It appears that some polling places with multiple precincts did not have a rigorous system of poll workers ensuring that
the voters voted in the correct line/precinct. Also it appears that many such polling places did not have accurate signage to ensure voters vote in the right line/machine, especially in minority areas. Its likely there were many who voted in the wrong precinct officially. How often would they have the wrong ballot for some races and is there a question as to whether their vote counts?
For those who voted provisionally in the wrong multiple precinct, will their vote count? IMO all such were due to poll worker misfeasance or malfeasance, does that make a difference?



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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 11:56 PM
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27. I've updated my summaries of EIRS reports for Franklin & Hamilton, including ID problems, PB probs
There were major problems regarding what type of IDS were needed to vote, many thousands in Ohio didn't have a current driver's licence with up to date address, so could at most vote provisional. But many voters were wrongly not even allowed to vote provisionally- which I would assume is malfeasance on the pollworkers part. Likewise there was a big problem in terms of where to vote and how for the many thousands of voters who had moved since last voting, but not updated both their BOE data and driver's licence data. And what could be used for ID for the many voters who did not have a driver's licence. It also appears that either Ohio doesn't have a very effective computerized voter roll system(for which there is no excuse if that's the case), or many of the poll workers were not being helpful and were sending voters to the wrong precinct. And even telling them they weren't on the voting roll for a precinct, when they clearly were as was later confirmed.

Franklin www.flcv.com/frankln6.html
Hamilton www.flcv.com/hamiltn6.html
other counties www.flcv.com/ohioeirs.html

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 08:11 PM
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28. Common Cause had an EP hotline effort larger than the one I've compiled
Does someone have connections with Common Cause to allow looking at the Common Cause irregularity reports relevant to these elections?

November 07, 2006 (IDG News Service) -- Problems with voting machines across the U.S. are being reported to watchdog groups, including significant problems of votes being incorrectly recorded Tuesday.
Common Cause, a government watchdog group, received more than 14,000 calls to its voter hot line as of about 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, including hundreds of reports of "vote-flipping," where the machine's summary screen shows different results than what the voter wanted. The Common Cause hotline includes all kinds of voting problems, not just those with e-voting.
E-voting watchdogs saw significant problems with vote-flipping in the 2004 national election, and Verified Voting called for a national investigation then but was rebuffed, said David Dill, founder of Verified Voting and a computer science professor at Stanford University.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleCoverage&articleId=9004848&continuingCoverageId=1012&intsrc=hm_cc_head

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM
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30. Rules for ID requirements in Ohio for election & for absentees
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:29 PM by philb
Consent Order regarding required ID for voting or absentee ballots in Ohio
http://www.co.franklin.oh.us/boe/assets/pdf/absenteeOrder.pdf

Provisional Ballot Information Sheet
Providing Proof of Identification to BOE within 10 days of election day
http://www.co.franklin.oh.us/boe/assets/pdf/provisionalApplication.pdf

New ID Requirement in Effect in Ohio
http://www.hamilton-co.org/boe/August%202006%20Newsbrief.pdf


The majority of voters voted for Kilroy, but the interpretation of these rules will determine the winner

Vote Totals by County
********** Kilroy Pryce
Franklin 98,964 91,411
Union***** 5,620 10,966
Madison*** 4,921 ** 8,077


********* Wulsin Schmidt
Hamilton 47,801 42,679
Warren 13,399 19,169
Clermont 23,481 30,180
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:32 PM
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31. I hear Kilroy is now asking for a recount? n/t
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:48 PM
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32. It's automatic because of the margin
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:07 PM
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41. wow this one could get interesting!! n/t
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:51 PM
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36. High undervotes in Kilroy/Pryce Cong. race- as high as 90%??
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 12:10 AM by philb
According to the data I took from the Franklin County elections page by precinct

precincts Clinton-A and Clinton-B and Columbus 16-C and Col 72-A and 81-A and Madison-B
had undervotes in the Kilroy/Pryce race of over 90%

and Columbus 17-A and 23-A and 23-B and Cols 69-B and 72-Bover 73%

Col 74-D and 74-C and 85-D had over 50% undervotes


and many other precincts had high undervotes between 10 to 40%

and absentees had high UV also?

Is there something that I'm reading wrong??

I added the 2 candidates votes, subtracted from total voters who voted in precinct
and calculated the percent

see Franklin BOE page

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:22 AM
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37. Someone tells me the extremely high percents are in "split precincts", but

apparently Ohio splits Cong. Districts below the precinct level which seems weird and problematic to me.

but there are still some relatively high undervote percents in precincts that aren't split


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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:15 AM
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39. Some precincts with undervotes over 9%
106 61 167 COLUMBUS 09-B 1,347 184 17 9.24%
143 41 184 COLUMBUS 10-C 1,127 202 18 8.91%
94 64 158 PRAIRIE-J 567 177 19 10.73%
83 29 112 URBANCREST 487 126 14 11.11%
92 103 195 VALLEYVIEW 451 216 21 9.72%


most precinct undervotes were 1 to 4 %

any ideas on why these might be high?

several other precincts have UVs higher than 6%

which precincts were the reports of Cong Race 15 not on the ballot in?


How do people in split precincts get split by the pollworkers as to which race they vote in??
Seems it would be very hard to get them the right ballot??

If they get the wrong ballot would it not get counted in the Congressional race??


I assume that the split precincts by Cong. districts is about Gerymandering??

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:58 PM
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40. Total undervotes in non-split precincts in Franklin in D15 race = 6,642 plus
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 01:03 PM by philb
those in the split precincts. Many precincts are split between D15 and
either D7 or D12.

But since I can't find info on the split of voters between these Districts in the split precincts, and only have total voters, I don't know how many undervotes their were in
split precincts.
anyone know where to get the vote split for these split precincts??

An even larger number of undervotes is shown on the Franklin BOE webpage that I'm referencing for absentee ballots. The web page shows 49% undervote for absentee ballots.
But this likely has the same split precinct problem as before. So its not a reliable percent.
But its hard to imagion the split precincts making all of this difference, given the number of such precincts. There is evidence in the data that there are some undervotes in those precincts. There are precincts that are noted as split, but that show no votes for Kilroy.



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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:51 PM
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46. with split precincts, the number of undervotes is well over 7,000
and a relatively high percent, likely about 5% overall with over 6% in about 40 precincts and as high as 11%.
but the undervotes for split precincts are known in total but not by which Congressional race they were in since the precinct data
gives total voters for the precinct, but does not split them into the 2 Congressional districts. Only votes are by Cong. district.
So only total undervotes for the precinct is known. I could prorate them based on the known of votes in each Cong. Dist. for each precinct, but there isn't much point. There is no way to know that a uniform proration is likely- it could have been quite different if caused by a specific problem in one of the Cong. district racces.

But its clear that the number of undervotes is a lot more than the difference in the candidate count, so that if there was a mechanism that caused this higher than usual number of undervotes, this alone could have swung the election.
But the ID rules that were used to determine who could vote, and the manipulation of voters as to the precinct they voted in and which provisionals were counted also were more than enough to swing the election.

for the types of decisions that poll workers were making, and indications of malfeasance in some cases, see:
www.flcv.com/frankln6.html


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Febble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:48 AM
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38. Kick
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:13 PM
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42. Only 3 of the Congress split-precincts had undervotes over 6%, but one had 81% UVs
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 03:15 PM by philb
very strange; surely indicates a machine problem rather than voter intent


-------------- Votes DEM7 REP7 DEM12 REP12 DEM15 REP15 Uvs % Uvs


COLUMBUS 16-C 32 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 26 - 81.25% **
COLUMBUS 17-A 152 - 0 - 0 - 87 - 14 - 31 - 10 - 10 - 6.58% **
COLUMBUS 23-B 366 - 0 - 0 - 203 - 74 - 49 - 16 - 24 - 6.56% **
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:43 PM
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43. 2 data sources don't match for precinct 16-C
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 06:16 PM by philb
I'll check further on why not
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:01 PM
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44. 16-C was an OSU precinct, which saw a huge amount of provisionals. Don't
know if this info will help.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:33 PM
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45. The precinct level data I used was for election day only; the precinct data someone
posted that I compared my data spread sheet to obviously includes provisionals and apparently also absentees.

The totals on the 2 are quite different. For most of the precincts I compared, the later "official" precinct data has from 20 to 50 more voters than the original that was only election day.
But for precinct 16-C, the election day "unofficial" file had 32 voters but only 5 votes for Congressional candidates, thus an 81% undervote rate. I'm not sure what could have caused that. I doubt that most OSU voters deliberately didn't vote in the Congress race.

But the 2nd "official" precinct data shows 284 voters, apparently 252 provisionals- likely according to the EIRS reports because they were making anyone whose drivers licence had an address other than in the voting precinct vote provisional. OSU students drivers licences likely are where their parents live, thus they virtually all had to vote provisional- irregardless of what registration processes they went through. But voting provisional makes it a lot easier to lose your vote, as they have been not counting lots of provisionals in Ohio, and "have a very high standard" to get them counted, irregardless of whether the voter is a legal voter.

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:20 PM
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47. Has anyone heard anything official on this race ? The Official precinct results
someone posted, show Pryce winning by about 4,000 votes on the "official" counts, which is a bigger lead than
before the provisional counting started. That seems very strange as the majority of the provional votes that I've seen
were for Kilroy. Did a late bunch of absentees that strongly favored Pryce get added in late?

Where did the extra late Pryce votes come from, since most provisionals seem to come from minority areas?

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:43 PM
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49. I have a Freepress board meeting tomorrow and will report in on anything I
can find out.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:18 AM
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50. What were the other counties in the Kilroy race, other than Franklin-note high UV
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 01:30 AM by philb
I knew and posted it in another thread but have lost track of that one.

have you heard anymore on the recount? are they just recounting or is Kilroy protesting based on irregularities?
www.flcv.com/franln6.html

I found out that there were high undervotes in Union County, but am not sure that goes with this race

Sutton/Foltin Dist 13 would have been affected, likewise the 6th and 7th district races




Union Co. Votes ----- these percent undervotes are for total including absentees, which weren't compiled on DREs
6th 6856 ----- and thus were likely much lower, so undervotes on DREs even higher %
7th 75902
10th 27372 ---- I haven't been able to find detail by precinct for Union County, just total votes and voters
13th 5096
total 115226

voters 134398
Cong. UV 19172
% uv 14.27%


U.S. Sen 130505
UVs----- 3893
% UVs--- 2.90%


comparable to Jennings Florida undervotes
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:02 AM
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51. Ohio House Race Still Unsettled(Kilroy/Pryce) Kilroy files suit over rejection of Franklin PVs

Ohio House Race Still Unsettled

Our Next CongresswomanU.S. Rep. Deborah Pryce retained her lead Tuesday as three counties began recounting votes in her congressional race against Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy.

Both Kilroy and the Republican incumbent, gained four total votes in the Union and Madison county recounts. Kilroy trails Pryce by 1,055 votes.

A recount also began yesterday in Franklin County, where counting could take several days. No changes in the official results were reported there yesterday.

Kilroy’s campaign, meanwhile, filed suit yesterday in Franklin County Common Pleas Court against the Franklin County Board of Elections.

The Kilroy camp is asking for the names of voters whose provisional ballots were rejected by the Franklin County Board of Elections.

The campaign says it doesn't want to view the roughly 26-hundred ballots, but check whether they were rejected in error.

State law tells elections officials to compile a list of rejected voters’ names, but Director Matthew Damschroder said the Franklin County board is following a contradictory federal law that shields voters’ identities.

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