Extremely high undervotes in Kilroy/Pryce Cong. race in Ohio in many precincts

[philb]

According to the data I took from the Franklin County elections page by precinct

precincts Clinton-A and Clinton-B and Columbus 16-C and Col 72-A and 81-A and Madison-B
had undervotes in the Kilroy/Pryce race of over 90%

and Columbus 17-A and 23-A and 23-B and Cols 69-B and 72-Bover over 73%

Col 74-D and 74-C and 85-D had over 50% undervotes


and many other precincts had high undervotes between 10 to 40%

and absentees had high UV also?

Is there something that I'm reading wrong??

I added the 2 candidates votes, subtracted from total voters who voted in precinct
and calculated the percent

see Franklin BOE page
http://www.co.franklin.oh.us/boe/06GeneralUnofficial/byPrecinct.xls

spread sheet
KILROY PRYCE Total PRECINCT NAME REGISTERED VOTERS Undervote % UV
DEM REP total ************* VOTERS

14 10 24 CLINTON-A 773 269 245 91.08%
15 7 22 CLINTON-B 1,211 283 261 92.23%
2 1 3 COLUMBUS 16-C 1,925 32 29 90.63%
31 10 41 COLUMBUS 17-A 708 152 111 73.03%
44 17 61 COLUMBUS 23-A 1,207 294 233 79.25%
49 16 65 COLUMBUS 23-B 1,300 366 301 82.24%
224 117 341 COLUMBUS 23-C 1,129 377 36 9.55%
201 135 336 COLUMBUS 23-D 1,349 377 41 10.88%
64 50 114 COLUMBUS 69-C 1,762 513 399 77.78%
11 13 24 COLUMBUS 72-A 888 442 418 94.57%
33 46 79 COLUMBUS 72-B 765 322 243 75.47%
70 94 164 COLUMBUS 74-C 959 454 290 63.88%
59 60 119 COLUMBUS 74-D 793 254 135 53.15%
23 12 35 COLUMBUS 81-A 1,712 643 608 94.56%
67 56 123 COLUMBUS 85-D 1,078 253 130 51.38%
162 213 375 GROVEPORT-A 1,085 442 67 15.16%
3 20 23 MADISON-B 821 384 361 94.01%
83 29 112 URBANCREST 487 126 14 11.11%
114 145 259 OBETZ-B 1,100 424 165 38.92%
106 93 199 OBETZ-C 768 253 54 21.34%
87 162 249 HILLIARD 2-E 774 343 94 27.41%

[read the law first]

1. some precincts are split precincts

You have to be careful because some precincts are split precincts and only some of the voters are in the district. Not every voter will be eligible to vote in this race in a split precinct. Taking the total number of voters in a precinct and subtracting the total votes of the two candidates will not yield a reliable undervote total in a split precinct.

[philb]

2. The county spread sheet I got this from doesn't say anything about split precincts

It just gives total voters by precinct and total votes by candidate

You mean that they split Cong. districts to lower than the precinct level??
that is extremely weird and makes it unnecessarily hard to keep track of votes??

How does one know which precincts are not all in the Cong. race and how many voters
voted in the Cong. race?? Is it shown anywhere?
why would they produce a spread sheet that isn't accurate?

I'm pretty sure some of the relatively high undervotes have nothing to do with split precincts, but I'll see if I can find anything about split precincts.


The extremely high ones are in split precincts, but there are several precincts with undervotes over 10% that don't appear to be split precincts

those are still very problematic

[read the law first]

5. some congressional districts are split down to the street level

it is not uncommon for congressional districts to be split even beyond the precinct level down to the street level. I have frequently seen one side of a street be in one congressional district and the other side of the street in another. in fact, i saw one dead end street where the front half of the street was one district and the cul de sac was in another district. of course, all of these streets voted at the same precinct. frequently, this comes from the zip code maps that are used to redistrict. I saw one district divided using a zip code map on the basis of a creek that did not exist on the ground when we went out to look at it.

[bleever]

3. K&R. The more votes that are counted, the more certain that Kilroy

will win. This is what I hear from someone in the district with eagle eye.

[read the law first]

4. also make sure you are subtracting from actual voters and not registered voters

the spreadsheet looks like you are subtracting from registered voters and not actual voters. on many summary reports, you'll have to look under "cards cast" or some similar reference.

[Febble]

6. Kick

[philb]

7. Here are some precincts with undervotes between 9 and 11 %

106 61 167 COLUMBUS 09-B 1,347 184 17 9.24%
143 41 184 COLUMBUS 10-C 1,127 202 18 8.91%
94 64 158 PRAIRIE-J 567 177 19 10.73%
83 29 112 URBANCREST 487 126 14 11.11%
92 103 195 VALLEYVIEW 451 216 21 9.72%


most precinct undervotes were 1 to 4 %

any ideas on why these might be high?

several other precincts have UVs higher than 6%

which precincts were the reports of Cong Race 15 not on the ballot in?


How do people in split precincts get split by the pollworkers as to which race they vote in??
Seems it would be very hard to get them the right ballot??

If they get the wrong ballot would it not get counted in the Congressional race??


I assume that the split precincts by Cong. districts is about Gerymandering??

[philb]

9. Total undervotes in non-split precincts in Franklin in D15 race = 6,642 plus

those in the split precincts. Many precincts are split between D15 and
either D7 or D12.

But since I can't find info on the split of voters between these Districts in the split precincts, and only have total voters, I don't know how many undervotes their were in
split precincts.
anyone know where to get the vote split for these split precincts??

An even larger number of undervotes is shown on the Franklin BOE webpage that I'm referencing for absentee ballots. The web page shows 49% undervote for absentee ballots.
But this likely has the same split precinct problem as before. So its not a reliable percent.
But its hard to imagion the split precincts making all of this difference, given the number of such precincts. There is evidence in the data that there are some undervotes in those precincts. There are precincts that are noted as split, but that show no votes for Kilroy .

[Zodiak]

12. for now, I would just remove the split precincts

and see what the numbers look like then. We are talking only 1,000 votes, so we do not need overkill in hard-to-audit-from-home-districts.

[read the law first]

16. the split precincts are really hard to break down

your frustration is correct.

split precincts are really hard to get a handle on the undervotes. on split precincts, we usually spend most of our time looking at people who are voting in the wrong race. in one race, the Election Superintendent had reversed two districts so all the people in district 1 were voting in district 2 and all the people that were supposed to be voting in 2 were voting in district 1. it involved over 1,500 people, so we got a new election in that one.

undervotes are really, really hard to do in split precincts and absentees from split precincts are really, really hard too.

[AtLiberty]

8. Regarding split precincts...

Get detailed maps of the district and the precincts, probably available at your the county election board. Call first.

You probably won't find too many split precincts affecting your findings.

Also, you could ask of a history of votes cast in those precincts, but they might not make it available.

[philb]

10. I have data on which precincts are split & into which CDs, just don't have

the split of voters between the 2 congressional districts for each split precinct.
There are a pretty good number of them.

[philb]

13. some observations on undervotes in Kilroy/Pryce race

While it appears that the number of undervotes is higher than the number who really didn't intend to vote, its not obvious that there was a single clear systematic problem causing undervotes that affected large numbers of people such as in Sarasota
(though the number of undervotes is clearly high enough to swing the election and appears higher than real intent).

Perhaps combinations of smaller problems that might have swung votes. I suspect if an audit were done, similar to the findings in Sarasota, most of the undervotes would be from Dem voters. While Kilroy got 6% more votes in Franklin Co. as a whole, the precincts with the highest undervotes were more often 3 to 1 or 2 to 1 for Kilroy- and for all precincts that had over 6% undervotes, 18% more voted for Kilroy than Pryce in those precincts.

If the mechanism was switching or programming making votes disappear, or bias in ballot layout as in Sarasota; most of the undervotes that weren't intentional could have been Kilroy votes. But there have not been many clear indications of such a pattern in Franklin that I've seen. Has anyone heard of "disappearing votes" or indications of ballot design bias in Franklin?

[Zodiak]

11. If this pans out, then we have us a real nasty looking data set

Kilroy was over 3,000 votes behind after the initial count. After an audit, she was only a thousand votes behind, which would trigger an automatic recount (this is how I know the process from casual reading).

The amount of undervotes in these precincts would more then make up for a thousand votes, provided they are trult undervotes in the Kilroy/Pryce race.

I am in North Columbus...in Tiberi's district. Cltinonville would be south of me, which is more of the direction of Pryce's district. It is possible that the Clintonville princincts might be split, but (from memory), I think that the Tiberi line is closer to me than Clintonville.

I REALLY would love for Pryce to get caught jiggering an election in Ohio. That would put the final nail in the coffin of the pukes here. No-one likes them, despite their surprise victory in State races. (which is fishy to me considering the mood).

[philb]

14. Repubs had a lot of hidden advantages in the election system in Ohio

lots of built in problems and huge suppression of minority voters again,
clearly well over 150,000 mostly minority voters who were legal and wanted to vote weren't allowed to vote in 2006. There were even more in 2004.

here is an analysis from someone in Ohio last week:
Today, in 2006, the percentage of the official total vote that remains uncounted is actually higher than in 2004. According to Blackwell's web site, there are 211,656 absentee and provisional ballots still uncounted in 2006, out of 4,177,498 votes officially cast. This is 5.1 percent of the total official vote.
The high percentage of provisional ballots is due mainly to new strategies used by Blackwell and the GOP legislature to eliminate votes in targeted areas. In Franklin County (Columbus), which is now heavily Democratic, there were 14,462 provisional ballots---2.7 percent of total votes---cast in 2004. In 2006 the number soared to 20,679, a substantial jump constituting more than 6 percent of all voters, in an election in which fewer total votes were cast.
Provisional ballots are issued when poll workers challenge citizens' rights to a regular ballot. The provisional ballot will allegedly be counted later if proof of registration and proper residency are established. But to this day, some 16,000 such provisional ballots from 2004 have never been tallied.
According to Blackwell's site, in 2006, there are 46,458 uncounted ballots in Franklin County alone. According to Matt Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, some 19,524 are in Franklin County, where Kilroy is a Commissioner. Another 900 or so Kilroy-Pryce votes remain uncounted in the Madison and Union

Under the rules that are being used for counting, a lot of those votes from eligible voters will not be counted- due mainly to official and poll worker malfeasance with considerable illegal dirty tricks thrown in.

[read the law first]

15. how do the pukes consistently rig the machines only in our districts

it always seems like the undervotes and stuff happen in heavily Dem areas where we control the apparatus. for example, in DeKalb County, Georgia which is 70% African American, the Voter Protection Team says that there was rampant disenfranchisement and machine rigging. But the majority of poll workers are AAD (African American Democrats), the majority of poll managers are AAD, the vast majority of the Election Board is AAD and the Election Superintendent is AAD and the Secretary of State is a WFD (White Female Democrat). The long lines are in AAD precincts, the lack of machines are in AAD precincts and the highest number of undervotes is in AAD precincts. So, why are we disenfranchising and stealing votes from our precincts? Machine tampering like the Princeton study would be taking place without a White Puke anywhere near the voting place or in warehouses where White Pukes are afraid to go. Why wouldn't the vote stealing and disenfranchisement take place in counties where Pukes are the majority rather than consistently in places where we control the entire apparatus? What the hell gives here?

[philb]

17. Why do you think you control the election process in DeKalb County??

I believe that DeKalb County has Diebold DREs and Diebold programs the machines and controls the election in DeKalb County?
Am I wrong? And who determines how many machines per precinct, and whether they function?
And do you control the state law/rules regarding ID requirements, rules for which provisionals count, etc.?

Georgia Election Problems 2004 Dekalb and Fulton County (as bad as Ohio & Florida)

Fulton County and DeKalb County, Georgia
Polling Place Problems, Too few machines and major machine problems, especially in minority precincts, long lines, polling place confusion, registration problems, provisional and absentee ballot problems] Georgia Constitution]

Touchscreen switching
057930 11/15/04, 1:00 PM PST Machine problem
Vote switching Kelly Lake Elementary, Decatur, DeKalb County, Georgia Voter used 2nd machine from left. When she voted for McKinney and Majetter, the votes went to the wrong place.
017705 10/30/04, 7:10 AM PST Machine problem unknown, Fulton County, Georgia someone at church told his wife that voting machine entered vote for wrong candidate (tried to vote for Kerry, the machine registered a vote for Bush). He does not know any of the details or where the polling place is located.


051167 11/03/04, 1:28 PM PST Machine problem Calvery Presbyterian Church; 76 Windy Hill Road, Marietta GA 30060, Marietta, Cobb County, Georgia At 9:00/9:30 a.m. this morning (not 2nd) - Voting by electronic machine. Every time she pushed candidate she wanted, it highlighted the other candidate. Called over election supervisor - explained the problem - could be confusing. Kept pressing the person she wanted - so after the third time it gave the candidate she wanted. Over the first page - president and other races were on the first page. Election worker said it could fingernails (sic). She was pleasant and came at voter's request and listened to the conversation.

049209 11/02/04, 5:38 PM PST Machine problem Hinesville Middle School Cafeteria, Hinesville, Liberty County, Georgia Voted Kerry -- pushed that button, jumped to Bush. Called for help; was able to remedy 2nd time also went to option above, not the one voter selected, but she was able to vote as she wanted in the end.

036180 11/02/04, 9:54 AM PST Machine problem North Clayton Middle School, 5517 W. Fayetteville Rd, College Park, GA 30349, College Park, Clayton County, Georgia Upon filling out her ballot (on touch-screen system), voter selected "Kerry" as part of a straight-Democrat ticket, but it displayed "Bush" instead. She called poll worker over to look at it, who reset her ballot and had her re-do it entirely. This was successful. Upon hearing her make a commotion in line about it, another voter ahead of her reported the same problem.

037666 11/02/04, 10:37 AM PST Machine problem Bright Star Methodist Church, 3715 Bright Star Road, Douglasville, Douglasville, Douglas County, Georgia Pushed Kerry Edwards, the x went to Bush/Cheney, she tried this three times, went to next page, went back to Kerry page, then re-entered Kerry and the X went to Kerry. Also, message says need picture ID.

Dirty Tricks
038785 11/02/04, 11:16 AM PST Polling place inquiry; Other polling place problem Eastlake Elementary , Decatur, DeKalb County, Georgia Wrong station, sent flyer in mail stated E. Lake but told to go to Oakhurst Church at poll

038996 11/02/04, 11:24 AM PST Polling place inquiry Decatur, DeKalb County, Georgia Got flyer in mail that said she was supposed to go to a different place

057934 11/15/04, 1:13 PM PST Voter Intimidation East Lake Elementary, Decatur, DeKalb County, Georgia Flyer was left on door promoting a false polling place

041413 11/02/04, 1:15 PM PST Registration-related problem Atlanta, fulton County, Georgia Registration at his High School apparently never submitted. He along with many other students registered at Riverwood High School in approx 3/04, they also filled out Selective Service forms. He received a confirmation of his Selective Service but apparently his voter registration was not sent in.

Polling place problems
028931 11/02/04, 5:11 AM PST Long lines; Other polling place problem Oak Knowl Elementary, East Point, Fulton County, Georgia Exceedingly long lines with only 10 polling booths and approx. 10 poll workers

030007 11/02/04, 5:38 AM PST Long lines East Point, Oak Knoll Elementary , East Point , Fulton County, Georgia Long lines, hundreds, 12 booths, one disabled stations, 10 workers

042725 11/02/04, 1:41 PM PST Long lines Tri-Cities H.S., East Point, fulton County, Georgia The poll workers would only let the voters to into booths in the numerical order in which they entered. This was causing long lines because at any one time up to 5 of the 7 booths were empty because of the way people were finishing or checking in. For example, if person #15 was having trouble (id problem or something) then no one behind him would be allowed to vote because they had a higher number. Many people became frustrated and left because it was causing a two hour wait when only about 50 people in line.

047985 11/02/04, 4:51 PM PST Long lines; Other polling place problem Crosby Spears Highrise, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia 4 booths at polling places. Long lines. WAs told that there weren't more booths b/c Sect. of State believes blacks don't vote

032565 11/02/04, 7:18 AM PST Long lines; Other polling place problem Murphy Candler, Dekalb County, Georgia 1 - Polling Place shut down for the day. Does not plan to re-open. 2 - In line since 7 a.m., people are leaving the polls, saying its very unorganized. Thousands of people are in line. The poll just re-opened, but its moving very slowly. Predmoninantly African American district.

037133 11/02/04, 10:22 AM PST Other polling place problem High Point Elementary School, 520 Greenland Rd., NE 30342, Fulton County, Georgia Very long line, some people telling precinct 21 has shorter line, lots of polling machines unused, no signs to show which line is which

041964 11/02/04, 1:10 PM PST Machine problem OIR, Fulton County, Georgia All machines not working. Only 4 machines working at 8; 7:00 only 2 machines working; at 7:40 4 working

015375 10/26/04, 12:05 PM PST Voter Intimidation; Machine problem; Long lines; Polling place inquiry; Other polling place problem Decatur, DeKalb County, Georgia Early voting polling place has multiple problems: 1) VERY long lines-- MORE THAN A TWO HOUR WAIT!!!!!! Caller told that election officials were not prepared for volume. 2) Electronic voting machines could not connect with the Secretary of State's office. 3)Officials told caller that NO POLL WORKERS were allowed for early voting

029689 11/02/04, 5:13 AM PST Long lines; Other polling place problem Auburn Avenue Wheat Street Apts, 375 Auburn Ave 30312, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Too few poll workers, just two people, line around the block (, eight machinesnot enough voting machines)
030822 11/02/04, 6:11 AM PST Machine problem
Long lines Fire Station No. 8, 1711 Marietta Blvd. NW, Atlanta, 30318, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Six voting machines, two machines crashed, five or six people voted, then machines crashed

049684 11/02/04, 6:10 PM PST Machine problem Hammerton Rec. Ctr, Scottsdale, Dekalb County, Georgia Said machines are broken and would not provide ballots. Told voters to return back at 17:00.

057427 11/13/04, 1:13 PM PST Machine problem Oakcliff Elementary School, Dekalb County, Georgia Voter informed that one of the 8 machines was not working

047981 11/02/04, 4:52 PM PST Long lines; Other murphy candler elementary school , Atlanta, dekalb County, Georgia There from 6am to 10am. Could not vote because disabled. Average wait 3-4 hours. 15 polling stations open but only 3 people working.
057485 11/13/04, 1:37 PM PST Machine problem

Long lines Conley Hills Elementary, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia One voting machine is not working, has been shut down. Longer waits for everyone
057490 11/13/04, 1:48 PM PST Machine problem Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia After casting vote, machine said bollot was cancelled because machine couldn't read card. Voter just happened to notice that and machine kicked card out. He was able to revote but is concerned that other voters may not have noticed if machine said "ballot cancelled." Machine right in front of waiting line.

058351 11/18/04, 6:51 AM PST Machine problem Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia all machines are not working

058696 11/19/04, 8:34 AM PST Other Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Waits of 4 hours - only 8 machines in polling place-by end of day, waits were less.
033839 11/02/04, 8:15 AM PST Machine problem Abernathy Towers, 1059 Oglethorpe Ave SW, ATL 30318, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Machine kept his card after he cast his ballot - they assure him it was OK, is it?

037546 11/02/04, 10:28 AM PST Machine problem Margaret Mitchell Elementary, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Voter told to use demo machine.

040239 11/02/04, 12:07 PM PST Machine problem D H Stanton Elementary on Martin Street, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Electronic voting machines were not charged up; plugged them in and got them up to 85%; meanwhile they allowed voters to vote by paper ballot and when they started the lines to do that, the poll workers told them that if they had voted in the last election and now were voting by paper ballot, their paper ballots would not count.

033713 11/02/04, 7:58 AM PST Machine problem; Insufficient number of ballots
Long lines Salem Baptist Church, Atlanta , Fulton County, Georgia Rejecting smart cards one machine is down, eight machines

041092 11/02/04, 12:45 PM PST Machine problem Oakhurst Baptist Church, Eastlake Drive, Decatur, Dekalb County, Georgia Went to the polls, used the machine, cast her ballot, pushed the green button to finalize her ballot -- she got a message on the voting machine stating that the "ERROR ON CARD -- YOUR BALLOT HAS BEEN CANCELED" -- she alerted the poll worker, they took the card and stuck it into a card reader and she was told that "her vote was in." She was not at all confident that her vote was cast and will be counted.
044963 11/02/04, 3:21 PM PST Machine problem Redan Middle School, 1775 Young Rd, Lithonia, GA, 30058, Dekalb County, Georgia Voted and went to scroll down but couldn't. Asked for assistance --poll worker tried and couldn't. In process of trying, the machine automatically cast ballot. Voter not ready to cast ballot. Calibration problem?
047986 11/02/04, 4:53 PM PST Other Renfroe Middle School, Decatur, Dekalb County, Georgia Voted this morning. Her husband went in the afternoon and told the poll worker that his name should be under his wife's name. Husband was told his wife had not voted. Caller is concerned that her vote was not counted.

038398 11/02/04, 10:56 AM PST Other polling place problem Stonewall Tell Elementry, Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia Cutting trees; blocking access to polling place; talked with poll worker and was told that they couldn't do anything about it. She and her husband were able to vote but there were several other vehicles that couldn't even get into the polling area.

038429 11/02/04, 11:07 AM PST Voter Intimidation; Long lines Murphy Candler Elementary School, 6775 Goddard Road, Lithonia, GA, Lthonia, Dekalb County, Georgia Stood in line for 3.5 hrs.; arrived at 6:30AM; prior to voting poll worker began rearranging the lines; closed door to the polling place and told voters that no one else was going to enter the building until the lines inside were clear. She told other voters that if they didn't want to wait outside that they could "get into their car and leave." A-K and L-Z lines formed inside the building. Poll worker moved the lines several times. Creating lots of confusion. Talking to voters rudely.

032565 11/02/04, 7:18 AM PST Long lines; Other polling place problem Murphy Candler, Dekalb County, Georgia 1 - Polling Place shut down for the day. Does not plan to re-open. 2 - In line since 7 a.m., people are leaving the polls, saying its very unorganized. Thousands of people are in line. The poll just re-opened, but its moving very slowly. Predmoninantly African American district.

This is just the start: continued www.flcv.com/georgia.html

[read the law first]

18. because we control every mechanism of power in the entire election process

we control the election board, we control the polls, we control the poll managers, we control the secretary of state's office, we control the warehouse where the DREs are stored, we control the testing process, we control the voter rolls, the election superintendent is A-AD, we control the tabulation center (in all of the entire tabulation center, there's only one puke who just sits there and does nothing but drink coffee), we control the entry ways to the advance voting sites, we are the ones checking the ids of the people trying to get in the advance voting sites, we control every voting mechanism there is in Dekalb County and in South Fulton as well. the A-AD Chair of the Election Board was very pissed off at our EPs because they were accusing him of voter disenfranchisement in a very condescending way. I personally heard him say "Now, of all the people in the world, why would I be disenfranchising my own people? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of." Most of the complaints from your list are in precincts where the pukes are afraid to send poll watchers or the ones that they do send are from white suburbia and are terrified of people of color. they just sit there looking scared (it's actually quite funny to watch).

long lines are very commonplace in Georgia and have been for a long, long time. I remember one night about sixteen years ago, we were going and getting snacks and drinks for people in line from a nearby convenience store so that they wouldn't leave at about 10:00 at night. if anything, the lines have gotten shorter and faster over the past years. the one exception is advance voting in DeKalb last time, the wait was down the hall, down another hall, and out the door and across the front of the building. 99.99% of everyone in line was A-A. the only problem was EVERYBODY working at the site was also A-A. I didn't see a single puke on site for the whole week of early voting except for one guy who just walked up and down the line telling jokes to people and telling people to stay in line and not leave because the wait "isn't that much longer." (yeah, it's true, it was a puke doing this (or one of our EPs who I didn't know who was posing as a puke)).

so............................how is this some grand puke conspiracy if WE'RE the ones screwing everything up? shouldn't we get OUR shit together in our counties and concentrate our efforts in counties where the pukes control everything like Forsyth or Hall counties?

[philb]

19. Your county seems to be where the most obvious known problems are. Why is that?

Who is responsible and what can you do about it?

Why do the voting machines in your county consistently switch votes from Dems to Repubs?
doesn't seem random, it all goes in one direction. What and who is responsible?

If you control the voting system in your county, why does your county vote on machines and under a system where its not possible to know how many votes any candidate really got, or who really won the elections?

Why would a Dem Sec. of State mandate that all counties vote on Diebold DREs that are programmed by Diebold programmers,
and have elections run by Diebold, whose owner is a Bush pioneer who promised he would get Bush enough votes to win?

Why do exit polls incidate Dems won some races, yet the Repubs win easily in official results?

Why do Repub candidates get a lot higher percent of the vote than their percent of the registrations?

Why does there seem to be a lot of minority vote suppression in a county you say is controlled by minorities?

What is the breakdown of Repub and Dem and independent voters statewide and in your county?

But I suscept there are lots of problems in the counties controlled by Repubs also, just not as much of a monitoring effort there; only the big urban counties are covered much.

And I suspect that the people that really control the election in your county are only letting you think that you have some control.

[read the law first]

20. that's exactly my point

In Georgia, there is no registration, but judging from election returns for the last eight years there are about 400,000 more puke voters than us. In Dekalb County, it is around 70% for us. That is exactly my question. Why is it that a county run by Democrats (and minorities at that) disenfranchises the most minority Democratic voters of any county in Georgia? the other point that none of these "studies" shows is that 100% of callers to the Democratic hotline will, of course, be Democratic voters. I don't know but I'm sure the pukes have the same kind of hotline where all of the complainers are fellow pukes saying that their vote was switched from an R to a D. so, I don't think it's a grand puke conspiracy. I just think our folks are fuckups when it comes to running an election.

[philb]

21. The EIRS hotline is non-partisan; any voter who has a problem or irregularity can call

and some of the reports are by Repubs as well as Dems;
this year there was some switching from Repub to Dem reported in 2 states- Penn & NJ
in 2004, virtually all problems reported cost Dems a lot more votes than Repubs

and the media coverage is consistent with what was reported to EIRS

Isn't it true that Diebold programmers program the touch screens in your county,
and "count" the votes? Aren't they basically in control of elections in your county??