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rjbny62 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:08 AM
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anyone looked at Palm Beach County?
found this at http://redefeatbush.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=293

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Incontrovertible Evidence of Fraud in Palm Beach County?
Posted on Saturday, November 13 @ 00:27:09 EST by DavidAdmin


Check out these stunning results from Palm Beach County:

Absentee Kerry: 58%
Absentee Bush: 42%
Absentee Total: 91,038
Kerry Absentee Margin: +16

Early Kerry: 72%
Early Bush: 28%
Early Total: 49,365
Kerry Early Voting Margin: +43

Election Day Kerry: 40%
Election Day Total: 404,666
Kerry Election Day Margin: -20


If a similar breakdown were available from other Florida counties would it show a similar result? Is there any possible legitimate explanation for this outcome? We do not find the argument that Democrats voted absentee or early voting and the Republicans waited to vote on election day, because the facts of organizational strength on the ground were precisely the opposite of that. It was the Republicans who were by far the better organized with their GOTV operation.

Don't believe it? Get the official Palm Beach County election returns spreadsheet and see for yourself.

http://www.pbelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/GENERAL2004.xls

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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:20 AM
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1. THAT'S CRAZY!!!
Did you send that to Blackboxvoting.org? I am mathematically challenged (as well as computer) but that looks extremely suspect.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:43 PM
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11. The absentee and early voting serves as a control
that much fluctuation puts the election day results in question.
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:22 AM
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2. Very very interesting.
The numbers just don't add up. I don't for one minute believe that election day tallies are even close to the actual votes.

Good post!
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:42 AM
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3. I'm sure BBV has this...
Didn't Bev say the other day that she felt that FL & OH could both be turned around with a recount?? Those numbers are stunning...plus someone posted the other day about the absentee theory: that those numbers are a real snapshot of the general electorate and that those numbers mirrored the exit polls. I keep saying, to anyone I can yell to, that it's the exit poll numbers that have to be dealt with - there's the proof - in way too many states (battle ground) they CAN'T be ALL wrong and in others, be ALL CORRECT!!! Something is wrong...
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mapman2 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:50 AM
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4. Yes, I looked at it
and checked your numbers and found out that you transposed the election day tallies. Kerry got 60%
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:39 PM
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8. Hi mapman2!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:52 AM
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5. Other REP counties that I've looked at that posted their data
show a strong preference to Bush in EV and Absentee.

WPB is a DEM county, so I would expect Kerry to well in EV, ABS and Election Day voting. The flip on election day does not make sense.

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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:45 PM
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12. Actually if you look at the counties won by kerry bush gained a lot more
Absentee and early voting seems to favor bush even though these are democratic counties. some are 63% dem to 26% repub.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:28 PM
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6. Palm Beach Data Shows...
49,635 total "Voting Machine" votes in its list of precinct data. You used this as early voting #'s? Is this right?

If so, that's a huge variance. A lot of Florida counties have these results available. I checked Hillsborough, and it was dead on within 1% between all counts, absentee, early, & election day.

I had the Palm Beach results up as I read your post...

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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:35 PM
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7. Actually, there's a 6.4% swing between abs/early and election day....
Even if you count "Voting Machine" votes as early votes.

Abs/Early:
Bush 51704 36.5%
Kerry 88343 62.4% (+25.9%)

Election Day:
Bush 160874 39.7%
Kerry 240210 59.2% (+19.5%)

This doesn't seem too unreasonable to me. Although, after analyzing North Carolina for these discrepancies by county, it does raise a flag that almost all of the variances that I've seen between absentee votes & election day votes swing in favor of Bush.

I think my next task is to pull together the Florida county data, w/absentee early votes.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:46 PM
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14. Don't forget Cuyahuga County in Ohio
Seems like the vote switching went on in heavy dem counties. In Ohio we were waiting for Cuyahuga to pull it out for us and it never happened. I'd also sure like to know what counties those 93,000 uncounted punchcard ballots originated from.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:40 PM
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9. Hi bj2110!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:42 PM
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10. jefferson and hardee county are very similar
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:45 PM
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13. im assuming votes have been skimmed all around the country.
its those damn touchscreens where the skimming is done and pretty sophisticated i think.

seems like the trick with the optical scan / tabulator is done manually in a hurry and is a lot sloppier.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:58 PM
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15. Thhe NC study goes over this very point; about 1/3 (?) absentee
votes made for a great 'inside' control study. Looks like the absentee voters had the exit poll data right on the nose. I bet that the absentee votes are going to be the smoking gun in this election!
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