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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:10 PM
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It's the Tabulators, Stupid! The theft of the 2004 Election, a short retrospective
Rove planned to flip the vote by 4% in 2004. He needed two diversions to affect success and ensure deflection of any revelations of what actually would happen:
1. A massive country-wide Republican effort to disenfranchise 1 million likely Democratic voters to generate an excuse why the polls were so wrong
2. A campaign to conflate and confuse the language and the issue: for every statement of "election fraud", counter with "voter fraud"

Meanwhile...
On election night, Rove arrived at the White House at 9:38PM. The White House had been transformed into a self-described "Election War Room". In the Executive Dining Room, RNC staffers sat at folding conference tables, their faces buried in computer screens filled with voting results pouring in from key counties in the so-called battleground states. In the privacy of the Oval office, similar tables were arranged: 6 in all with 2 PCs on each, arranged in rows with a center aisle dividing them into 2 groups of 3 tables. At the head of that center aisle an oak podium set facing the group of tables. Behind and to the right of the podium the president's desk had been relocated off center to its usual location. In this setting, Rove and Bush oversaw a small cadre of highly loyal RNC employees as they accessed key vote tabulators via modem and Internet to execute algorithms that flipped the vote from Kerry to Bush. In the White House dining room, a RNC regulars sat monitoring vote totals, unknowingly providing the Oval Office Loyals with lists of locations used to target tabulator vote flipping. (to find videos of the above scenario, they reside in the bowels of the MSNBC and CNN archives, November 3rd, 2004)

That's how it was done. It didn't matter that 1 million voters were disenfranchised when 3.8 million votes were flipped electronically from that oval room by fewer than a dozen people. It didn't matter on which machines voters voted: touchscreen, optical scan, or mechanical levers. What mattered was: no one can know.

What followed was an organized campaign of misdirection and extortion engineered to ensure there would be no evidence or initiative that might uncover evidence of the greatest theft ever. Kerry was persuaded not to contest the election. He conceded the next day. But he knows. His wife knows. The election was stolen. Edwards objected to the concession but could do nothing beyond get Kerry to issue his infamous statement that "every vote would be counted". The MSM operated under a virtually total wall of silence until the inauguration on January 19th. Producers were threatened with firing should they run stories questioning the election results or should they reveal they were threatened with firing. Only Keith Obermann dared run stories questioning the result of the election in the early days after election day. But that lone voice was isolated and alone (and had a small audience too). At that time, Keith had an ironclad contract giving him full editorial control of Countdown's content so he could not be threatened.

That spring and summer, the Carter-Baker commission was made ineffectual and suffered from the same media silence surrounding election fraud. Their report was compromised by equal time given to "voter" fraud and a focus on voter ID in the name of bi-partisanship (that would be the James Baker contribution). They were infiltrated by RNC operatives consulting or testifying as election experts. We did manage to provide the commission with a little discomfort by holding the Election Assessment Hearing on the day prior to the Carter-Baker commission's second hearing in Houston Texas and did provide their staff with our testimony and findings. However, the fix was in and our evidence was effectively buried.

Our fledgling ER movement was stalked, watched, and infiltrated. My home telephone was tapped from December 13th to January 19th - Inauguration Day. My 12/12/04 Election Fraud protest effort was approached by a person operating off of a server in Atlanta named FED1 (we traced him). He started asking all sorts of personal questions when attempting to volunteer. Even here on DU, it quickly became politically incorrect to discuss "who" stole the election. The ER movement quickly fell to internal bickering (HCPB vs. fix the machines; exit poll analysis vs RBr; litigation vs. legislation, etc.). This was shades of the demise of the SDS during the Vietnam era (thanks then to the FBI and CIA) and had infiltration written all over it.

The exit polls were effectively (if arbitrarily) discredited. The fictitious RBr (Reluctant Bush responder) was invented, explaining that Bush voters refused to tell exit pollsters how they voted. The pre-election tracking polls were dismissed: After all, 1 million+ voters were disenfranchised and didn't vote; pre-election polls aren't that accurate anyway; the religious right came out to vote against gays.

This all had the mark of a Rove operation: complex, comprehensive, deceptive, and effective - Karl Rove, the "Architect" of Bush's re-election.

One final comment: If you want your country back, Hand-Counted Paper Ballots.

Kip Humphrey
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:17 PM
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1. Amazing how when crimes are too big for many people to process,
they become incomprehensible - ie, the Holocaust, like the 2000 election theft...and perhaps more. Why aren't these people in prison for life?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:02 AM
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6. You answered why;
'inconprehensible.'
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ROBALOER1 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:32 PM
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2. just words
You mean effect not affect. Good post.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:35 PM
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3. Tom Delay 1/6/05
"So what do these conspiracy people think? That Karl
Rove was in the White House basement flipping
votes on a couple of computers."

Rough Quote.

Karl did have access to Ohio's vote data via
Smartech .... Chattanooga, TN .... Smartech's
other 3 accounts .... bush/Cheney 04, The RNC,
and gwb43.com
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:20 PM
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4. Yeah but Kerry did that to Dean in NH.
and Hillary almost got the desired result.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:00 AM
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5. ?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:20 AM
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7. Thanks, I guess; no more rest.
Would you explain the effect of 'hand-counted paper ballots?' They'd have to be tabulated too, wouldn't they? Wouldn't those who do the final counting always have the same power?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:28 AM
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8. Thats why random audits are essential.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:35 AM
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9. They can't prevent the theft, but if theft is suggested they can provide
proof.

HCPB make the threat of a recount viable. Too many of the computerized systems make a 'recount' a 'reprint', in that the votes disappeared into the machines and there is no proof of the original vote.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:50 AM
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10. Agreed
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 12:51 AM by btmlndfrmr
Paper ballots have to be upstream from the tabulation/opscan. ...being printed after the vote, the ballot is useless for authentication... and yes paper ballots hand counted would be ideal.

Arguments given to ballot complexity not making paper ballots viable can be addressed. It's the acceptance of potential fraud and willingness to pursue paper ballots verses the expense and the all ready appreciable outlay in technology(on a bad solution) ...tis the issue.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:41 AM
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20. Ballot stuffing can still happen with HCPB but try stealing 3.8 million votes that way...
Give me paper ballots counted and tallied in the open at each precinct by citizen volunteers and I will accept the degree of fraud possible under that system. Turn the ballots to computer bits where data can be disassociated and associated at the whim of an unseen program and you get the kind of government we have now. If you want your country back, hand count paper ballots.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:08 PM
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34. Amen! Great way of saying it!
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:59 AM
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11. Thanks Kip. K&R
A modest question and I'm not challenging you. How did you know your phone was tapped? Or did someone want you to KNOW or think your phone was being tapped?
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 AM
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18. The phone company service guy who serices our street...
On 12/13 the double echo started. On January 20th, suddenly the phone echo was gone and service turned to static to the point of unusability. In our area only one person services our line. He came out, inspected the box on the pole and asked me who had stripped the wire insulation at the terminal block since he hadn't serviced that pole in 3 months. I told him I didn't know, then asked him why someone would do that. He said if someone wanted to tap the line or steal our service they might do such a thing. Since everyone on our street (only 10 houses total) has phone service of their own and no need to steal our service I concluded our phone was tapped.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:11 AM
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21. Thanks, we had some of the same, static... other stuff, similiar timing as to when it stopped.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 11:12 AM by btmlndfrmr
Curious if anyone else here had "problems" in that time line.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:38 PM
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27. Ho, sh!t, this happened to me too. I'm a major peace activist in my area.
Damn, I never thought to put that together.

The phone guys would always hem and haw about "corrosion" or some such.

Bastids . . .
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:33 AM
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12. Get rid of the vote/counting machines and the CROOKS that were selected by them,


SNIP...This is a time to respect every voter and every vote. This is a time to honor the true will of the people. So our goal must be what is right for America. There is a simple reason that Florida law and the law in many other states calls for a careful check by real people of the machine results in elections like this one. The reason? Machines can sometimes misread or fail to detect the way ballots are cast, and when there are serious doubts, checking the machine count with a careful hand count is accepted far and wide as the best way to know the true intentions of the voters.

That is why there have already been partial or complete hand counts not just in two Democratic counties in Florida, but in six Republican counties as well.

We need a resolution that is fair and final. We need to move expeditiously to the most complete and accurate count that is possible. And that is why I propose this evening a way to settle this matter with finality and justice in a period of days, not weeks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x469812



We need to get rid of the vote/counting machines and the CROOKS that were selected by them,

We need to move expeditiously to the most complete and accurate count that is possible.

HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS!!!

Only then will we begin to clean out the attic!!

K&R
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:47 AM
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13. great research! amazing info. Certainly helps connect dots to observations
made in LA County -- evidence of internet connectivity found when inspectors (allowed under Ca. Election Code 15004) gained access to rooms with central tabulator in LA County...



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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:04 AM
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14. Thanks, Kip! n/t
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:14 AM
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15. "What mattered was: no one can know."
:shrug:

Honestly, you don't have to look for anyone else to blame as to why this argument is unconvincing. You only have to read what you wrote.

For that matter, you don't have to look anywhere else for sources of disunity in the movement.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:19 AM
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16. Thanks for posting this! It always irritates me that people neve talk abou the tabulators!
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:27 AM
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17. For consideration ...
American COOP II
If you believe 4.0 million new white big city voters showed up in 2004, you can believe the 2004 election results.

If you believe that Bush could conjure those new voters representing an 80% increase in white turnout over 2000 with just the slightest Get Out the Vote (GOTV) activity in big cities, you can believe the 2004 election results.

If you acknowledge that Bush lost votes in his political base compared to 2004, the rural segment, yet soared to victory on the basis of substantial gains in the urban areas, then you can believe that he was the truly elected president in November 2004.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:34 AM
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19. but the election results don't show 4 million new white big city voters
The argument makes no sense, except for people who have absolute (yet somewhat selective) faith in exit polls.

Oh, well.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:59 AM
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22. Even here on DU, it quickly became politically incorrect ...
"Even here on DU, it quickly became politically incorrect to discuss "who" stole the election. The ER movement quickly fell to internal bickering (HCPB vs. fix the machines; exit poll analysis vs RBr; litigation vs. legislation, etc.). This was shades of the demise of the SDS during the Vietnam era (thanks then to the FBI and CIA) and had infiltration written all over it."

I remember that time well. x( Great summation on the nightmare. Thanks, Kip.

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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:01 PM
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23. Well done, a couple questions
First, pardon my ignorance, but who are you? That is, what was your involvement in uncovering the election fraud? You must have been heavily involved to get your phone tapped. (Shades of Nixonian dirty tricks.)

Second, why didn't Kerry protest? Or rather,how was he convinced? My theory has been that he didn't want to be Gored. He'd seen what the media had done to Gore, and he wanted to remain effecive. (Gore only rehabilitated himself years later, with An Inconvenient Truth.)

Was there something else there?

Greg Palast in An Armed Madhouse argues that the caging and dumped votes were a major factor, agreeing with you. Are your conclusions about how the election was stolen much different than his, or Mark Crispin Miller in Fooled Again?

Finally, are they in a position to do it again? (From what I've read, it happened in '06 and a 50 seat House gain was turned into a 25 or so seat gain, and some Senate races might have been closer (?) than they should have been)

The final question is probably unanswerable: how do we get the truth out, and what would be the effect if the American realized that Bush/Rove stole the election? (2000 had the veneer of a legal issue and the Supreme Court whitewash - no respect for those fools).
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:20 PM
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24. So the election was stolen at the central tabulators and we are going to take it back by...
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 01:30 PM by Bill Bored
...hand counting AT THE PRECINCTS ? ? ?

OK, but then how do we tabulate the hand counts?
(There are about 180,000 precincts.)

Here's an idea: Maybe we should be checking the central tabulators!

Also, a lot could have been done well before the election by corrupting ballot definition programming files, which reside on the same computers as the central tabulation programs (e.g., GEMS). There was no need to change totals in real time on election night, which would leave fingerprints if anyone simply bothered to check the central tabulator totals against the precinct totals independently (canvass), which actually happens in many states.

And, we already know that in Ohio in particular, votes were switched AT THE PRECINCTS by moving punch cards around with different ballot order rotations. This was NOT an exploit of the central tabulators. See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x499735
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:05 PM
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30. In 2004, in Ohio the central tabulators logically had to have been the final quality control
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 09:13 PM by btmlndfrmr
for flipping votes in the 44 counties that used punch cards after all the other shenanigans, the caterpillar crawl, lack of machines in key democratic areas, caging, etc.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:44 PM
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25. I still say the GOP lied during exit polls. Skewing things to look like kerry had
a massive win....keeping those late afternoon/early evening democratic voters from voting because Kerry "had it in the bag". IMHO.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:33 PM
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26. See the movie "Uncounted." I was a fence-sitter until I saw all the evidence
presented in one 90 minute video.

There were places in Ohio in which 80 percent of voters voted for every race including the proverbial dog-catcher, but didn't vote for president.

Does that make sense?

You bet it doesn't, unless one is rigging the vote . . .
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:05 PM
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29. Is it available for download on the internet? n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:29 PM
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28. Who are you calling "stupid"?
The people who are willing to repeat your assertion because it's mildly plausible, while completely unsupported? Or the one's who are going to ask you to back that story up with a little more than "to find videos of the above scenario, they reside in the bowels of the MSNBC and CNN archives, November 3rd, 2004", and , "That's how it was done"?

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:12 PM
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31. I don't really agree with the OP's premise that good ole Karl flipped votes.
Christ the guy would go outside in the street to have a questionable conversation off the premises.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:03 PM
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32. K&R excellent concise
very easily understood. I remember reading about the war room, how people who were anti gay ended up voting the opposite way.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:40 AM
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33. Great post to revisit. eom
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:38 PM
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35. HCPB is the only way to count
Thanks Kip
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