Think Kerry Is Not Involved In This Fight? Think Again. (Betsy R Vasquez)

[scottxyz]

"John Kerry realized that to launch a public campaign calling the vote into question would be disastrous. In fact, he likely realized he would we walking right into a Bush-set booby trap."

...

"Fallujah, in effect, was the getaway car for an election heist."

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

Great article!

[Must_B_Free]

1. either that or

they wanted to do fallujah before the election, but were afraid it would hurt their chances.

[ahyums]

4. which in this case is probably the more accurate interpretation

they were talking about going into Falluja just after the election for months before the election. Of course it would be a convenient distraction from election problems but that would have required a hell of a lot of planning and coordination.

[goodboy]

2. betsy vasquez...that name sounds familiar. would betsy happen

to be the woman who supposedly passed on the (cbs) memos to Burkett? I remember a name similar to that having something to do with that story...

or have I had too much absinthe tonight?

edeted fer speleng

[Buzzkitty]

3. interview on NECN

After watching Kerry's interview on NECN(our local cable news network in New England) he has NOT given up. His comment, "Well, they haven't even finished counting the votes" was pretty telling.
I'm still hoping. . . .

[New Earth]

5. i cannot watch the news anymore

i was just watching countdown (alison stewart in keith's place) and they showed Kerry talking in the Senate today - and then they went into the part about all the Kerry supporters seeking therapy to deal with the election - and i am crying again. i don't understand this, i didn't feel this way about Al Gore, and i don't remember many people being traumatized like this when the Supreme Court ruled in 2000.

[goodboy]

6. turn those feelings into action, donate to DU, and BBV.org and

you'll feel better.

[New Earth]

7. i can't

i don't have a job right now :( i work for a temp agency (until one of these assholes i sent my resume to calls me) and they have no work for me right now. i am broke as hell.

[Buzzkitty]

8. I just did!

Donate that is. Ahhh, it feels good.

[goodboy]

10. great! on behalf of DU Thank You!

[ClassWarrior]

20. Welcome! The star looks good on you.

NGU.

[BlueCaliDem]

22. I did today too, but via Paypal--but emailed Skinner I had...N/T

[goodboy]

9. aahhh...another benefactor of the wonderful Bush economy.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. There are things you can do to help, and in doing so, you'll feel better. Sign some petitions, help out with some research, or otherwise apply your talents to further the cause.


:grouphug:

[Buzzkitty]

11. I felt obliged

Since I'm spending vast amounts of my workday here. Heh-heh. Some of my paycheck SHOULD go here.

[goodboy]

14. I would feel that way too...but I'm a commissioned salesperson...

so...hell with it.

[indy_azcat]

38. ditto on that one

besides... with my tax cut and all... oh... wait... damn, I need a raise.

Edit: that star DOES look nice:)

[Cha]

24. That's because with losing Al Gore..

we didn't have four years of bush disaster under our collective belts.

Reading your post..I can see I'm not the only one who feels whacked!

[Donailin]

25. same. For one thing, it's an alternate reality

it's like watching the twighlight zone. You can't turn the channel without hearning how the religious right (which from here on out I will refer to as 'dominionists')has the majority rule, how they came out in full force and won it for Bush. The alternate reality wants me to believe that I'm a minority and that there is no place for my view anymore, that I have to change my persepctive to theirs.

How does one listen to this ad nauseum knowing that we ARE the real majority and that their moral party STOLE the country??? I tell you, I am 42 and never in my life have I been so preoccupied with the government and who's running it. Since 2001, life has changed so dramatically that all I see is everything going downhill. I have no realistic hope that America or the world will ever be the same.
The second law of thermodynamics is this: disorder never decreases. We may maintain the level of disorder, but we will never decrease it.

Everything is wrong.

[BernieBear]

28. Bush has literally pulled a PsyOps on everyone

and you've been traumatized. Really. You, just like all of us, were subjected to relentless scare tactics and then you thought the guy you thought would keep you safe would win, and then the rug got pulled out from under you and deep down you're probably depressed, angry and scared. At least I am.....

Just let it out!!! BernieBear!!!

P.S. I refuse to watch the media bullshit. None of it's true, I watch them sit up there and spin this crap and I know they're going... yeah, here's the latest Osama tape <yep, yep, I know, I know .. he's dead> and the CIA believe it's true......

They aren't JOURNALISTS. They are teleprompter readers. All of them. Even Andrea, I'm married to the money, Mitchell......

Uuughhh

[Beausoleil]

13. Lucy Ramirez? n/t

[goodboy]

15. oh yeah...that's it...nt

[henslee]

33. yes isnt she the one who did the parking lot handoff?

[knowbody0]

12. thank you

i felt this way nov 3. fraud apparent. kerry did the smart thing

[Carolab]

16. Yes I read this yesterday but

I'll believe it when/if they actually DO something instead of looking like a pack of whipped dogs.

[Eloriel]

17. Scott, darling

I love ya, man, but...

I just posted this to another thread. I haven't re-read this article, and didn't read it in its entirety when it was first posted at DU. But I can tell you this, ANY idea that Kerry is somehow involved, or hopes to be involved is pure fantasy. There IS no secret plan, and the only reason Kerry appears to be flying under the radar is that he is -- he's hoping to escape all responsibility in this election mess -- wash his hands of it, "move on and stop crying in his teacups" or something. Do NOT look for any leadership from him -- or any of the others on this subject AT ALL (other than perhaps members of the CBC and a very few other super-progressives).

The small parties are taking the lead because THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO GET IT ... or perhaps care.

It wasn't Kerry or any of our Dem leaders who got this recount ball rolling, it was two DUers -- IdaBriggs and long-time DUer (and personal friend of mine) hedda_foil. Hedda is co-founder of the National Ballot Integrity Project and also co-founder of the brand new 527, Help America Recount, founded specifically to help fund as many recounts around the country as possible.

DUers did this!! A flurry of faxes from DUers (and others, thanks to Randi Rhodes and perhaps several other people) to Nader persuaded him at the last possible minute (literally ONE MINUTE before the deadline) to request that NH recount. Within a very few days, Cobb and Badnerik were talking about it in OH.

This has NOTHING to do with our illustrious Dem Leaders. In fact, EVERY BIT OF IT IS IN SPITE OF THEM. Perhaps they will eventually see the handwriting on the wall and decide to follow the People who are leading the way.

A LOT of effort has gone into this, and it chaps my hide for people to imagine that Kerry or ANY of our Dem leaders had a damn thing to do with it. They didn't.

Here are a few links for yours and others' edification:

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Nader requests NH vote recount. (Did we just make a huge blunder?)
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Nader, Cobb and Badnarik may all be willing to look into recounts in Ohio
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[scottxyz]

21. Thank you for the DLC-Realpolitik reality check, Eloriel

I'm just a little guy, so I don't know what our crusty Dem leadership is up to in this particular case.

But it would fit in with all the other times they've dropped the ball over the years - so what you say makes sense.

Democracy only works when it's bottom-up - not top-down. This includes not only VOTING, but all the other little political things in life - like trusting (or not trusting) partisan corporations to count your votes on crummy hardware, and complaining about it.

Personally, I think the majority who voted for Kerry (and we KNOW we're a majority) should either paralyze the country's government between now and Dec 12 - or watch Bush-Binladen-Co paralyze it over the next few years anyways.

[99Pancakes]

27. Eloriel

I have been one of those that thought Kerry was working covertly. I may still be naive to think so but...... you are so correct that if the smoking guns come up pointing at Dumb-Dumb's head, it will be because of the hard work of DU vets, heavy duty activists, and 3rd Party folks. This whether or not K/E's lawyers and such are invovled or not. The really good nuggets being panned out of the sewer of shame and fraud are not coming from the Kerry camp. This is disappointing.

[GR]

18. I Like The Moderate Independent But Don't Think He's Right Here...

I think what you're seeing is what is really happening...nothing....especially after hearing Mike McCurry on Al Franken's show this afternoon. He said Kerry wants to move on and they made the decision not to put the nation through a "bloodbath" on election night...

They chose to hoard their $45M for another day...Sorry John, that day, for you at least, will NEVER COME...

[Ducks In A Row]

19. Randi mentioned that if kerry had gotten into it, the media...

would have been screaming that kerry was hurting the troops with all this election fraud nonsense. It would have been rove's trap for kerry, with the media being rove's front men. that's why the lockdown now, because the media is not working for us, but for the WH.

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. I tend to agree with her. It would have been an absolute

feeding frenzy. The man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He's better off doing whatever he's going to do on tiptoes and in the dark.

[Cha]

23. This is amazing..just like some

people were thinking would be the case. I hope Betsy R. Vasquez is right on!

I like the way she said.."bush's GOONS"!

[Bread and Circus]

26. This is where I stopped reading...and why I am disgusted w/ Kerry..

"Make no mistake, he will never publicly call the election into question unless enough fraud turns out to truly challenge the end result."
---

If this were true, and I suspect it is, I find it about as appalling
as stealing the election in the first place. Mendacious neglect is
what I would call it. If Kerry is only willing to step up to the
plate if he can become King is pretty small to me. Unfortunately
it feels and looks all to similar to the GOP canard that Kerry
is a flip flopper, has no moral compass, and only adopts a position
if it is politically expedient -- all of which I find abhorrent.

[Razorback_Democrat]

29. I'd Like to believe this is true, but each day that passes by

and the more I hear from the MSM and the Dem party, it seems like they've moved on.

I'm not ready to move on until all the votes are counted.

[peacetalksforall]

30. We;re given one mystery after another to figure out and the Kerry-Edwards

mystery is quite something. I am operating on HOPE only. I am so totally pessimistic about the right wing that I can't bring myself to add traditional politicians who are supposed to be on our side to my dire-straits list. I do, however, have someone who has been telling me for 15 years that there is no difference in the Dems and Pubs, just as Nader is saying, but the cases the friend and Nader make for their positions are very different.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

31. I believe that Kerry is playing it smart

Just look at what he is up against... a Republican machine that controls the voting machines, the Congress, the media.. Folks it's an uphill battle.

But Kerry and Edwards are both prosecutors who understand one thing - EVIDENCE... We must provide ROCK HARD evidence of FRAUD before this will gain any traction with the Repub controlled media. IN the absence of this we are just Tin Foil conspiracy theorists and Kerry would be laughed off the face of the Earth.

So we all have to do the dirty work behind the scenes and hopefully provide the HARD EVIDENCE required to save our democracy and overturn an election.

Kerry still has my Seal of Approval.

(P.S. God bless Bev Harris)

[simply_the_best]

32. It's all good

I have to agree, as my husband constantly reminds me, that Kerry is a prosecutor with a brain the size of a planet. I've got a good feeling about all of this. I trust Senator Kerry's judgement and also God's timing:+

[New Earth]

34. one thing i have to say

Kerry has a lot of people who have real faith in him. He should be proud of himself.

[loritooker]

37. I agree-its politics

Kerry may seem to have let us down, but I think the way he sees it, by staying out of this he doesn't lose face if he isn't elected and he doesn't lose face if he is. I think he probably senses that this isn't going to be resolved by inauguration time. Evidence is the key. And Bev Harris is collecting. I know this sucks, but isn't it a plausible explanation?

[Andromeda]

35. Thank you for posting this article!

Has this been posted in any of the other forums?

[StlMo]

36. Good.

It is clear that Kerry won the election. Whether the GOP machine uses its control of electoral authorities and the courts to throw out the true results, it is supremely important to show the general public the truth.

[sksoapfan24]

39. Interview with Geraldo Rivera

I just saw on Fox news(don't ask me why I'm watching Fox,lol) that Kerry did an interview with Geraldo Rivera where he said he thinks the reason Bush was able to get a leg up on him in the election was terrorism, not these social issues. I only caught the last of it so I wish I had seen all of it. Has anyone seen it?

In response to the post, I think Kerry has done the right thing by keeping everything on the down low. I don't think anything we find out in Ohio will overturn things but I do think fraud occurred and it is worth investigating.

[keepthemhonest]

40. I hope that he is really fighting silently

but it sure would be nice to hear from CAM on what Kerry is really thinking so we know whether we should get our hopes up or not.