I just realized...our creator isn't as strong as theirs

[johnnie]

I remember that there were many people here who talked of prayers and "good vibes" on election day to help our candidate win. Of course we all know now that there are people saying that the "moral majority" had a big hand to play in the boy king's "win". Some are saying that it is God's will that georgie is leader of our country.
My question is: how come their God helped them, but ours didn't help us? Or is it more like: "I knew mom always liked you best"? I'm feeling a little sad that all of us progressive type people are not as "holy" as the other guys and the big man liked the way they prayed better than the way we did.
This sucks!....

Sorry, this was just some goofy thought of mine. I am really hoping that maybe our prayers were tampered with and God will find the ones that we sent, but were thrown out due to some obscure rule and he will like us better again and we can win this thing.

[HeeBGBz]

1. Miracles take a little longer

eom

[trotsky]

2. Or, no creator exists.

And the universe just is.

[johnnie]

3. Or not

[Dhalgren]

4. That was pretty funny - thanks, I needed that...

[johnnie]

6. Well..lol

I thought it was funny too. Sometimes my "humor" doesn't come across too well. In fact, most of the time I seem to be the only one who laughs. :)

[Dhalgren]

15. Don't let 'em get you down.

What's the old adage - "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke"?

[coloradodem2005]

5. It's not God's will. It's free will.

In the end, the people chose their President. I don't see how God could like Bush's deeds. They want us to think that they have the monopoly on truth but they don't.

[johnnie]

11. Maybe God does like bush's deeds

If I were God, I would like to see this world cleansed of the crap that goes on. As long as bush and his buddies keep going on the path that they are on, we have a good chance of annihilation of most of the world's population.
*That* could be a good thing.

[jbnow]

7. From a God's eye view

Perhaps the best set up would be the frauds and all truths revealed.

Maybe just doing what we hoped Kerry was doing beyond the silence...watching and quietly assisting the unfolding...a just prosecutor.

To clean cheating (and it would have a ripple effect in opening way to exposure of all their scandals) the best set up would be a win and a reversal...If they didn't cheat quite well enough and Kerry barely won voting systems would not be really cleaned up.

God would suggest that this way we reclaim the country for the people. We spoke loudly 11-2 and it didn't seem to matter. Kerry didn't seem to speak out or act for us about that, no prince on a white horse. But some great folks here and elsewhere...they do speak and act. I am awed to see what is being done...by the people. My new heroes!

So God would say if it works out that way...that the country is cleansed and eyes are opened and we are empowered to keep making things better...that we owe him for our doubts. Our penance will be to do 10 good deeds.

On the other hand he might be busy scolding Jesus for failing to say anything about homosexuals when he was on earth, not one bad word about this thing that must be horrible because Chritians say so. For being so liberal...so not right wing.

On the other hand...If I am going to make things up I like the happy ending. So Amen.

[johnnie]

9. The people here

I agree with what you say about the people here. So many are doing so much and it really makes me feel like the country isn't lost. There really are good people out there no matter what we are supposed to believe.
As for Jesus, if he really cared as much as the fundies say...how come he isn't here right now and taking a stand?

[truehawk]

8. THE LORD HELPS THEM WHO HELP THEMSELVES

And the Thugs took a heaping helping of our votes.

[johnnie]

10. LOL

Very good!

[htuttle]

12. It's not their creator that's stronger, it's their party leadership

Don't know if it's 'stronger', though, or just more ruthless and driven.

"The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
-- Yeats"

[KittyWampus]

13. God Doesn't Take Sides. God Is Not A Person. God Is Consciousness

as evidenced by the Universal Principles we can discern by examining and measuring Nature and our Selves.

Apparently the Universe, as it's reflected in the American People, is on a different trajectory than the one many of us on the Left anticipated.

But our Goal, preserving Democracy from Fascism and working for Diplomacy over War, is definately more in line with Universal Principles....

The Timeline is not what we expected.

I have to remain confident that we will STILL reach our Goal, even if by a different Path and on a different Day.

[jsascj]

14. I've thought the same thing...

But we can't overlook 'free will'.

God gave us all free will and the Republicans used to STEAL THIS ELECTION!

I don't think God had anything to do with it. I figure he's looking down shaking his head and saying..."They did it again!"

[dbonds]

16. God didn't help Hitler

And he doesn't help Bush. These are the affairs of men.

[thephaseshift]

17. getting off topic but

I know this isn't the time or place, but...to those who believe in God and free will, look at what you're suggesting: God gave us free will, therefore we do what we want. Um, what if we leave out the first part? We KNOW we do what we want - but why jump to the conclusion that it's because God gave us that ability? It's perfectly fine to accept that the world is simply THERE, and we're a part of it all. Throwing God into the equation just adds a complication that explains nothing. I know I'm being annoying, but the fact that so many people believe in God isn't justification for believing in God. Check it out, half of the country thinks Bush is a good leader...need I say more?

And I pose the ultimate question to those who might claim that I can't prove God DOESN'T exist: well, so what? I can't prove there isn't a giant spider hiding behind Jupiter, watching us, but that doesn't increase the chances that there IS one. You'll tell me my spider theory is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the idea of God. Since when are 'silliness' and our personal attachment with an idea good criteria in determining what's really true? With no information we shouldn't even bother making assumptions.

One more thing: maybe God created the universe. So who created God? Another higher God? Why not just stop one step earlier and not even believe anything until we have evidence that points one way or another? All we KNOW for sure is that WE'RE here, and so is the universe. Everything we see is perfectly consistent with things just *happening*, following the rules of physics. There doesn't HAVE to be a reason for anything. We might WANT there to be, but our desires aren't good tools to examine the world. In fact, our emotions and desires for PURPOSE often lead us to false conclusions. Kepler (his conception of the universe as a bunch of embedded ideal shapes), Aristotle (sun-centered universe), and Percival Lowell (and his imagined Mars canal network) were prime examples...they wanted the universe to be the way that FELT natural to them, and were just plain wrong.

Same thing with the fraud investigations: we all WANT those Florida stats (registrations versus machines tallies) to prove fraud, but our wanting it doesn't make it so. We have to be critical of our own theories so nobody else can prove us wrong (just HOW serious is the Dixiecrat influence? Maybe we'll know someday...)

But I know I've opened a can of worms now.

But hey, we're a liberal bunch, right?? We can take it.

[jsascj]

18. Hello Existential Man...

It worked for Bush, didn't it?

say WMD and "Eeeevildoers' enough and they'll believe.

If you build it, they will come...

[DARE to HOPE]

19. God hears the cries of the righteous...

Yes, God does give us free will. But He also gives us what I like to call "banana peels" for the Mighty to slip on. One such was the glitch in the cable hook up in Bush's last swing through Ohio on ED. Another was their inability to "update" the Edison/Mitofsky computer "then something happened...." It is not always electronic, but timely, and depends often on honest hearts, like the secretary who found the absentee ballots in the desk.