Chances Kerry Will Be President On or After January 6

[sabra]

In your opinion what are the chances/percentages John Kerry will be selected president on or after January 6?

[LiberalBushFan]

1. Very low.

Only because he'd rather let Bush be president and not cause trouble.

[New Earth]

2. worst poll ever

[sabra]

3. Why?

[Skip Intro]

6. Oh come on

Only because he'd rather let Bush be president and not cause trouble.

Rather let bush be president?

Oh - I just noticed your screen name.

You do know, LiberalbushFan, that gwbush isn't fit to carry Kerry's jock.

You know that, don't you?

[fugue]

4. Even if the vote recount declares him the winner

The Bushistas are not giving up power. No way. Martial law, assassination of Kerry and Edwards, something, but they're not gonna let Kerry become president, no matter what is proven about the vote.

Unfortunately, this is what I predicted before the election: landslide for Kerry, but he is never inaugurated. Sometimes I really, really, really hate being right.

Come to think, in the past twenty years, most of the time I've hated being right. . . .

[sabra]

5. Sadly I Agree With You...

That became a reality for me after 2k...

[New Earth]

7. rolling over and playing dead

is exactly what they want. good for you.

[sabra]

8. What's your deal?

I am trying to be realistic, however doesn't mean I wasn't going to fight. Which I am and will be doing...

[New Earth]

9. not that i have a right to my opinion or anything

but i just think it's 1)the wrong forum for this poll, and 2) we need positive energy around here, not negative.

i'm not trying to pick a fight with you personally at all, but this thread just seems to be disruptive of anythign else going on in this forum.

[politicasista]

11. Agree 100%

;-)

[sabra]

12. I don't want to fight either...

- Please direct me to the proper forum
- Who said this was a negative post?

I posted this poll, to be a simple question, just to see what people thought Kerry's chances are, maybe spur some conversation, etc...

[IAMREALITY]

14. Sabra, I am with you 100%

There is nothing wrong with this poll and nothing negative at all in its posting, and there is nothing wrong with it being in this forum. I think the problem is that so far the majority of people polled put no way in... but that is not your fault. If they don't like that it is now a negative topic it is their fault, for voting so negatively.

But fear not, even though the poll right now shows a landslide for no way, when it is officially closed I will personally hack in and change the results for you to declare a better outcome :)

[sabra]

16. IAMREALITY, You Seem to Speak Your Mind...

Which I believe is a good thing. I will send you a link to the Access Database, so you can hack a way :-)

[IAMREALITY]

22. Glad you think It's a good thing..

My Wife thinks it's a tragic flaw! LOL

:)

[99Pancakes]

25. Hack the vote for Kerry

Good idea!!
Any takers?

[Sabriel]

10. I can't resist the opportunity to exercise my pessimism

Not that it hasn't gotten a workout lately.

[BillZBubb]

13. Once Kerry conceded, it was over.

Not because we may not find enough stolen votes for him to pick up another state. That is possible.

But by conceding, Kerry gave the Repugs the cover they'll use to run out the clock in court. Since their is a constitutionally mandated date for the electoral college vote, they'll tie everything up in court until after that date. All the Repug judges will play along. Most of the public will accept it.

[IAMREALITY]

15. Bullshit.

I'm so sick of hearing about how Kerry's concession closed the door blah blah blah.

Didn't you guys all read the email back from Blackwell saying how you can't even get a recount before it is certified? Well guess what, that is not till Dec 3rd or whatever and that IS Ohio law. He is not stalling anything, though after that date he very well may try. The point is Kerry has no need to have come out Nov 3rd and caused a ruckus, not when he had weeks before that message even matters. The fact is regardless of how much Dems could've come out and bitched the last couple weeks the recount still wouldn't be taking place yet. So I actually like that fact that we have been able to gather so much evidence already without the ruckus, with more evidence coming in daily, so DON'T BE SURPISED IF ON DEC 6TH KERRY FINALLY JOINS THE FRAY!!!! Cause the way I see it, he doesn't need to cause a ruckus till then anyway........

[BillZBubb]

21. We'll see my friend.

I'll mark this message and post it again around December 15th. We'll see who's post was "Bullshit". Even if Kerry joins the fray, it will be too late. The Repugs control the state governments, the courts, the media, and will have public opinion on their side. They'll run out the clock. You just wait and see.

[IAMREALITY]

23. Hey, Let's Get One Thing Straight Here

I never said that wasn't what they were going to attempt to do. I am declaring that your comment was BULLSHIT that the reason they are going to do that, and can do that, is because of Kerry's early concession. Think what ya want, but to me that is utter BULLSHIT.

[pointsoflight]

17. Too early to judge.

We need to see the results of the vote audits to know if this horse has legs.

[tommcintyre]

18. Pathetic! Looks like mostly the freepers or "may as well be's" are voting

...so far. 40%? "No way in hell"? If you have bothered to educate yourself on the facts - your not a "realist", you're a defeatist, that is probabably soooo afraid to get your hopes up, and be disappointed again. <Boo-hoo, whine, whine>

One fact alone should make you feel ashamed. There are people out there working their hearts out to save YOUR ass, and this is the best you can support them!

Pathetic! :puke:

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On a positive note, Faye, AND ALL THE PEOPLE LIKE HER, ("we need positive energy around here, not negative"), that's the spirit!


"WE HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT"!


This is coming very soon.. hang in there!



<You're welcome to come and take a look around... and even make comments if you want at the link below. It should be "ready for prime time" in a few more hours.>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x62912

<I've been working 16-18 hours a day at this for more than a week now. I guess I'll go back and finish it up - in spite of the pathetic display I've seen by 40% so far here. If it wasn't for Faye and her kind, I don't think I'd even bother! I checked in here for some encouragement. :puke: Thanks 40%!>

[tommcintyre]

20. btw: If anyone flames my post here:

I won't be around to respond. Again, I'll be doing something positive to try to help save "ALL OF OUR ASSES"

[ahyums]

24. but combined those who believe there is a chance out poll those who think

there isn't. As far as I am concerned there is a chance and I do hope it happens but frankly anyone who chooses 75-100 is deluding themselves as well to an extent(yes I understand the positive thinking aspect from the "I believe" thread but to effective one also has to be realistic about the scale of the struggle). If this is going to happen it'll be extremely difficult, doesn't mean it won't happen, just that it will take luck work and a bit of magic.

[lizzieforkerry]

29. Thank you for all of your work!

It really is appreciated!!!

[SaveAmerica]

31. That was my first thought...

the next poll should be to find out how many of the 40% are republican. And the poll after that should be "who thinks Bush will end up in jail". I might be getting loopy from all that I'm reading but I had a crazy 'flash' vision of him in a jail cell a little while ago.

[newyawker99]

46. Hi SaveAmerica!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[SaveAmerica]

49. Thanks for the welcome! n/t

[Generator]

19. #23 Baby!

I'm feeling unreasonably optimistic. Why not? Anything can happen. The worst already has. I really liked the Kerry video. I have Keith Olbermann's blog to keep me warm. Christmas is coming. Desperate Housewives is on tonight and we are all going to die anyway.

[Straight Shooter]

26. What I see are the believers outnumber the nonbelievers

I'm a believer.

This is actually a good poll, and a good post. Thanks, sabra. :)

[New Earth]

27. lol

i'm sure i overreacted. i keep looking at that 66 for the 'no way in...' and i want to punch my screen. sorry guys.

[sabra]

34. Thanks, and I good point too n/t

[Greybnk48]

28. Kerry's chances

I voted that Kerry's chances were 25% or lower--but did not mean to upset or depress anyone. Having come of age in the '60's and lived through the Vietnam mess and Nixon, this all feels very familiar. I do not think this will be clean given my experience. This will be messy and very contentious. Remember that Nixon was ousted because he taped his crimes, otherwise the powerful would have kept him in office--they had no choice once the tapes were discovered. What also turned the tide were young people on college campuses organizing massive protests, and therefore, lots of media. I think that once again, if we are to prevail, it will be the youth that does the heavy lifting. For the record, I will not give up on this until everyone else does. I am convinced this election was stolen and that Kerry won.

[newyawker99]

47. Hi Greybnk48!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Milo_Bloom]

30. I voted not a chance....

I want to say why I voted that way... it isn't about DEFEATISM at all. I didn't donate to BBV and the Greens to put Kerry in office, but instead to expose this criminal administration. Power is what is important to them and I have little doubt that they will find a way to hold onto long enough that ** will be sworn in on January 20th.


HOWEVER, when Fraud is ultimately proven ( and I have little doubt it will be), it will be because of the work we do here today, it will have a much needed ripple effect. With fair elections and the truth being revealed, the democrats will be able to take back the house and senate in 2006 and finally put ** where he belongs.. behind bars!

This isn't about and shouldn't be solely about getting Kerry into office, but instead about the future of democracy in America. If we can't have full faith in the election process, nothing is left.

Whether Kerry will or will not take office, shouldn't effect your resolve to see this through one tiny bit!!

[grumpy old fart]

40. Yep...Bush cabal in jail...

That's where this needs to end up. I don't see any way that there will be solid enough evidence of the fraud before January 6th, but that's not the point. The truth needs to be run down whether it changes the result by January or not. Bush in jail is the same, no, better, much better, than Bush losing an election.

[Trahurn]

32. Not only No Chance but "minus" no chance

That is even more than "No Chance In Hell." When you consider how Bush was wired through all the debates to give him any and all advantage over Kerry whether he earned or not,and that was just one part of the whole election and how the republicans exercised utter control of everything. Not only do I not believe Bush won but given the tremendous anti Bush movement out there I also do not believe his so called victory was even close to the actual margin the repubs are boasting about. When you consider what extraordinary extremes the republicans have gone to in trying to first oust Clinton and once he was finished to essentially swear a blood oath that they could not allow another democrat in the Whitehorse again nor to control congress.
I think it is absolutely delusional to think the republican machine that got Bush re-elected even though we all know he was never elected for his first term, will fail to actually get him inaugurated in January. Further until the republican conspiracy to obtain and "keep power in the executive and legislative branch and soon even in the judicial branch or all three branches of government we will never see another democrat in the white house again. If we do you can count on the republican party to forsake their duty as lawmakers and to once again turn their efforts to removing such a democrat president from office as soon as possible.
It is incredibly painful to write all this but it is my take on all this but just as there was a clear conspiracy to murder JFK and cover it up we are seeing nothing different in 2004 in terms of seizing and holding power in this country. I would be extremely delighted to be proved wrong on all my conclusions.

[Fescue4u]

33. Very Good chance on January 6th, 2009

As for this election. Its over and its a pipe dream to think its not.

[s-cubed]

36. I'm an optimist

So I voted high, but even if he isn't, if we can make a cast-iron case of fraud, presented in a way that most people can understand, then the powers will have lost most of their power. *'s will be a lame duck for four years, along with the congress and senate.
I, too, am old enough to remember Vietnam and Nixon, and it is familiar. I have enough faith in ordinary Americans to be confident that they will not let the bastards get away with it.
Then we're gonna :party: :party:

[newyawker99]

48. Hi scubed!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sabra]

35. People believe there is a chance

61% believe there is some kind of chance that Kerry will become president....

[politicasista]

37. It's nice to dream, but I am keeping hope alive.

Bush will go down either way.

[a new day]

38. Now, that's positive thinking!!! n/t

[ahyums]

39. which unless to you believe in the supreme maleficence and omnipotence

of the Bush administration, the Republican party and those working for them there obviously is, if fraud was committed there is a chance it will be exposed, if the machines were wrongly calibrated or similar it should come out in the recount, there are mechanisms in place and a large number of committed people, combined together they could still get Kerry in the White House, of course there is a chance.

[smartvoter]

41. What's wrong with fighting uphill?

I happen to think we are unlikely to change the results, but I am still fighting. Why isn't this good enough?

[WI_DEM]

42. none, ziltch...it won't happen

[mtnester]

43. As an Election Protection Volunteer that was on the ground in Ohio

until the last person in line voted in Franklin County Precincts 3C and 2A (inner city Columbus)at midnight! I would say the chance is 50/50.

Depends on how the lawyers handle the recount language and court challenges. Voter suppression would be the strongest argument IMO. When you cut the machines in a precinct by more than 50% where voter registration is up by more than 25%, that's a problem, especially if it is in an ethnic working class neighborhood.

I wonder how many people lost their jobs in that line that day. It was like that ALL DAY, 4-6 hours to vote, in EACH precinct.

IF the under votes are counted, increase my percent to 90% or better.

Ohio native here, Central Ohio -

[gorbal]

44. There is going to be a recount-

and yet, somehow the stolen vote in the Ukarin is front-page news-

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=us

What is wrong with THAT picture?

One good thing, the coorperate media is loosing any credibility they ever had with Democrats and this should help the developement of alternative news sources.

[sabra]

45. Thanks for the info...

Who better to report, than some one who was in the trenches... So essentially your opinion is that if a large amount of the 93k "spoiled" votes are counted, you are liking the chances? Also, maybe you can post a separate thread, describing your election day story? I bet many would find it interesting... I know I would.

[tommcintyre]

50. You have the most valid info in this thread. Thanks n/t