WTF? Warren County lockdown "pre-plannned"?

[crispini]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160355/1056/news01

This thing simply smells to high heaven.

[Must_B_Free]

1. yes, but on your deathbed, you'll receive complete consciousness

so at least we've got that going for us...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. How does that happen?

?

[Patsy Stone]

24. Which is nice...

:)

Gotta love Caddyshack:

"I've got to think like a gopher, act like a gopher, and whenever possible, to look like one." -- Carl Spackler

[Karenca]

2. Please keep this kicked and

email this.

[shraby]

3. They had plenty of time to jigger the votes.

They need to be accused of it and let them prove they didn't.

[pbartch]

6. They sure had time to COMMITT FRAUD

THEY ARE ON "LOCKDOWN".......BUT Homeland Security and other law enforcement officials say they didn't know anything about it??

Did I not read that 2-3 other IMPORTANT places that should have been locked down in case of national emergency / possible terrorist attack didn't know anything about the LOCK DOWN orders???


This is MALARKEY and the American people are sick and tired of the OHIO liars committing election fraud.

[jdj]

18. it kills me that they don't ever offer an explanation for the lockdown

or for their lies about it, even though they started planning this Oct 25-26

[Protect The Vote]

4. KICK

I can't stands no more...
:wtf:

[KaryninMiami]

5. What did you expect?

This story is from the 16th by the way. But how could anyone have expected anything different? The poll closings were media and the public (illegally I might add) and they did whatever they did as planned. No surprise here. Except the world knows what they did.

[consciousobjector]

7. Kick

[geo]

8. ***READ OHIO OPEN MEETING LAWS NOW!!***

Hi all,

I just read this post and have a gut feeling they violated Ohio's open meeting laws. Here in CA that is a misdemeanor, and a judje can order any decision revered if it was made in violation of law.

I am tired and need rest. Can we please keep this kicked until either myself, or some other dedicated soul can get us links to Ohio Code on the open meeting laws and/or give us some sort of analysis on this. I would love to nail them on this. I have a real bone to pick with folks that don't honor sunshine laws.

Let's keep this one kicked, find out if they violated State law, and what the possible penalties might be.

Kudos for finding this article, btw. :)

- George

[geo]

31. RE: Ohio Open Meeting Laws

Hi all,

I am back on looking into Ohio meeting laws. Anyone else look into this yet?

- George

[geo]

33. Found it. Ohio Open Meeting Law

Hi all,

I'll post the code and a link below, but here is the skinny...

My opinion after reading the state code, is that there is an excellent chance Warren County elections commission violated state law by:

1) Conducting a serial meeting through e-mail correspondance between enough members to constitute a quorum. Anything constituting a meeting requires public notice.
2) The decision to "lockdown" during the count on election day was made without public notice/deliberation, or was handled in closed session; both cases would violate open meeting laws.
3) The actual act of counting ballots outside of public view may very well violate open meeting laws. This would be especially true if the body was making decisions about which ballots to count or not to count. I can't imagine a Board like this staying silent the whole time, or filling this time with just small talk.

I am going to start writing organizations like www.cfac.org (California First Amendment Coalition) to see if the have a similar organization in Ohio, or would be willing to offer any other insight into this, and I will also try to find case law and opinion to see if I can pull anything more, but for now, here is the code...

Open meeting law:
http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=PORC

Code stating Elections Board must follow open meeting law:
http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=oac&d=3517-1-12&sid=227fc8b5.71da9d68.0.0#JD_3517-1-12

It should be important to note that ANYONE can bring an action against this board to officially invalidate actions of the board that took place in a manner inconsistent with the act and to enjoin them from further violations. If they are found in violation they pay the plaintiff $500 plus reasonable costs. Also, the attorney general or prosecuting attorney, according to the code, can bring forward a motion to HAVE THEM REMOVED FROM THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION.

Like I said, I'll do more homework on this by way of case law, Opinion and followup with advocacy groups, but this is good food for thought for now. :)

Warmly,

- George

[geo]

34. Open meeting advocacy groups

Hi all,

I found a couple. I wouldn't suggest bombing them with calls or e-mail quite yet, but let's see if they are doing anything about the Warren County lockdown issue. Please add to this thread if you have any insight on this. If they get away with this it's a big blow to transperency, in my opinion.

Ohio Center for Privacy & The First Amendment
Contact: Timothy Smith, Director
Ohio Center for Privacy & The First Amendment
Kent State University
130 Taylor Hall
Kent, OH 44242
Phone [phone] | Fax [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

Ohio Coalition for Open Government
Contact: Frank Deaner, Executive Director
Ohio Coalition for Open Government
1335 Dublin Rd., Suite 316B
Columbus, OH 43215
Phone [phone]

- George

[geo]

36. Attorney General on Open Meeting Laws....

Hi all,

Sorry my work is coming in so piece-meal... but I hope it is at least helpful.

In researching the advocacy groups I listed above I came across this press release about a campaign by Ohio's Attorney General to promote and educate on the issue of open meeting laws.

Here is the link:
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/press_releases/2004/press_release_20040701.htm

I'll list just two interesting quotes from this article (although it is worth a full read, and it's short).

“I urge all local public officials to comply with the Public Records Act and to become vigilant, frontline participants in advancing the public’s access to public records and open meetings,” said Frank Deaner, who also serves as president of the Ohio Coalition for Open Government.

and... from the AG....

“It is my strong belief that a democratic society is built upon the ability of its citizens to have open access to the workings of their government," Petro told public officials in his letter. “Open access is vital for the public to evaluate the effectiveness of their governments and their officials.”

Here's what this means:

1) The Attorney General, who, if I'm reading this right, can prosecute Warren County officials for violations of the State's sunshine laws, and possibly have them removed from their post, just went on a tour to promote how important following the sunshine laws are. And at his right side, the President of the Ohio Coalition for Open Government.
2) Start writing the attorney general asking him to prosecute this case to the fullest extent of the law, and please tell him we appreciate his support of the State's sunshine laws.

Warren County elections officials are not above the law, and definetely not out of our collective reach. Let's remind them of that. Please write Ohio's AG or call his press office to ask that he look into the Warren county issue, and always, remember to thank the official to their POSITIVE contributions.

I'll leave this post with one last link to an Ohio AG press release. He seems reluctant to allow challengers into the polling area, but feels bound by State law. I believe that if he gets numerous requests to look into this, that are made politely, reminding him of his previous position on this, etc., we might get somewhere with these Warren County people. And a win there is a big win for transperency in the process, not to mention, mainstream media WOULD pick up something like that, and there is no real effective way of spinning it.

This could be good. Have fun! :)

Warmly,

- George

[breadandwine]

9. FLASH BULLETIN! Blogger calls march on Fox NOW!

Combined protest against Fox and the rigged election —

The objective is specifically to challenge the wall of silence on the rigged election by news outlets like Fox and make a breakthrough —

Please spread this around, check it out and kick it —

A blogger has posted an extremely detailed, specific call to protest the rigged election AND the suppression of the truth ABOUT the rigged election by Fox News — a combined event mass march protest to be held in New York City — AT — Fox headquarters on 6th Avenue —

Main protest chant —

“Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!”

Nobody thinks of marching against a news organization in the streets. This is going to be a shot heard round the world.

Very comprehensive protest plan with very helpful travel details, the works —

See blog on this,

“A Call To March On Fox —

For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election!” —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Discussion thread in General Discussion Forum — please help keep this kicked —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2688242

“A Call To March Against The Rigged Election”

Please spread these links around to help us organize this.

Please join that discussion there and help keep it kicked. Marching on Fox starts at post 117. But read the whole discussion. And read the blog. Discussion also discusses an earlier blog on marching against the rigged election and media. Second blog being discussed is on a specific, detailed call to march on Fox specifically as a key initial part of this protest against the rigged election. Fox is a key ENABLER of the rigged election. They’d never get away with election rigging on such a vast scale if it weren’t for news suppressers/distorters like Fox. Read both blogs.

Tremendously detailed comprehensive blog —

It gives the exact location in New York City of all of Rupert Murdoch’s empire, New York Post, Fox News, News Corporation (Murdoch’s big parent company — it owns almost everything else he’s got) — all of that — it’s all in a single building on 6th Avenue between 47th Street and 48th Street in mid-Manhattan. Murdoch’s own office is in the building too. We can be chanting against him right outside his window. All their offices are not on very high floors either — as low as the second floor — they’ll see and hear us and have to pass us on the way in. All those blow-hard Fox talking heads lying about the election — we’ll be in direct shouting matches with them as they come and go. And Fox itself is on the SECOND Floor. How good is their studio soundproofing in there????? Everybody at Fox is going to be bitching that they can’t get any work done. There’s no way they can hush this up.

Since it’s a vicious circle — news organizations like Fox suppress our protests, making them seem futile, therefore the proposal is to combine objectives and protest Fox AND the rigged election TOGETHER right outside Murdoch’s building and tie the two evils together — “Murdoch suppresses the truth about the rigged election!” — and invite other New York news organizations, many of whom DETEST Murdoch, to cover it. (You didn’t know New York news people and news executives hate Murdoch? Blog goes into that a lot.)

Blog has many links to anti-Murdoch resources and video of Bill O’Reilly telling everybody to shut up, shut up, shut up, over and over. What a sewer rat! Right on camera! He looks really mean and drunk in one of the film clips. Jack Daniels? And he’s on camera hotly lecturing us, “It is our duty as all loyal Americans to shut up.” The video nails him good — and Fox. Blog gives other video links too.

Tired of being told to shut your trap? Open it. March against Fox and the rigged election in New York City.

But the idea is to put it all together, to protest and denounce Fox outside their offices for leading the COVER-UP of the election heist. It’s a shot across the bow to the rest of the media that they better start telling the truth about the election, or they’ll get protests like the one at Fox. All the national news media are based in Manhattan. They can’t say this protest was too out of the way to get to.

Blog also has links to downloadable anti-Fox flyers, petitions and other resources against Fox that could be distributed at the protest march.

Blog goes into tremendous detail about the strategy, the advantages of starting protests in New York as opposed to other cities (huge liberal population would augment people coming from out of town), and it’s the news media capital of the world. Very friendly terrain. New York Democratic congressmen are demanding investigation of the stolen election. No rednecks in the population or the government, no paranoid security apparatus like you have in D.C.

Blog includes complete “mother lode” total orientation guide to using New York subways with downloadable maps you can enlarge, how to use mass transit to get from Amtrak’s Penn Station to the march, how to use mass transit to get from the airports to the march.

Let’s make it happen!

Keep kicking that thread so everyone will hear of this!

[lthuedk]

12. REPOST AS A NEW TOPIC !!!!

kick

[AmerDem]

14. You should start this in a new thread

You will see much better results. Thanks for the info. It's encouraging to know finally something has started!:toast:

[Solitaire]

21. when??

When is the march?

[Paradise]

10. Kick! n/t

[momzno1]

11. isn'tWarren County the one that had 135% higher

voter turnout in 2004 than in 2003?
I wonder if their lockdown had anything to do with the increase?
link to the discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x72439

[goclark]

13. Kick kick kick

And post this everywhere!

[momzno1]

15. wait, Iwas wrong, warren county was 36 percent higher than 2000

[ohtransplant]

16. Kick - n/t

[farmbo]

17. This gave them controlled access to the state central tabulation computer

...in Columbus, while they uploaded their results, with no pesky reporters or observers around to ask silly questions as they accessed (and changed?) the results from other Ohio counties.

:tinfoilhat:

[pointsoflight]

20. Do we know that's where it was housed?

If that's the case, it's an important piece of information for people to be aware of.

[farmbo]

22. Central tabulator is in Columbus...their computers are networked, I assume

I understand each county has a modem connection to the state central tabulator in Columbus. They no longer drive their results in.

Anyone else have more input on this?

[kk897]

25. question about hacking

If someone were to "hack the election" in Ohio utilizing this modem connection (or connections), how would it be done?

Would it require physically tapping into a phone line somewhere?

I only ask because today I found a curious little tidbit in my search for info about Ohio's Union County. In September, they had the 911 and all long distace phone lines go out, and they couldn't figure out why. Here's from the Marysville newspaper account:

"It was reported that Nextel representatives informed city administrators that their technicians did not know why the services were down at around 10:30 a.m.

Their public information staff said it must be a "huge cable cut" because services were reported out all the way into the Bellefontaine area."

I just found this suspicious, but I'm a tinfoil hatter from way back. If anyone wants the link, I'll post it, but there's not too much more to the story.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

27. watch this - it's howard dean w/bev harris

It's a half hour - but it's all you need to know about how the vote can be hacked. It's free. I didn't understand the whole hacking thing, but after watching it I do now.

http://votergate.tv/

[rockedthevoteinMA]

28. watch this - it's howard dean w/bev harris

It's a half hour - but it's all you need to know about how the vote can be hacked. It's free. I didn't understand the whole hacking thing, but after watching it I do now.

http://votergate.tv/

[CantGetFooledAgain]

23. This could be very important

If some kind of connectivity exists between Warren County and anything of larger significance, such as a statewide tabulator, then it is virtually certain (at least to me) that the "lockdown" was intended to cover up some kind of illegal activity.

Why is this not being pursued more aggressively?

[BlueDog2u]

26. This has been my question all along

It seems foolish to do something as risky as this just to tamper with a handful of votes from one county, but if Warren was the epicenter for a statewide fraud plan, then the closure makes sense. Given how Republican the county is, it fits the profile of the right kind of place to try to pull something off. We need more information about this. Hey! All you Ohio reporters and investigators, are you looking into this? If not, you should be! Was it possible to access the statewide tabulators from this Warren county site? If so, this thing needs to be put on HIGH PRIORITY.

[roseBudd]

41. The Cincinnati Enquirer MAY be investigating further

Reporters to contact are:

Erica Solvig, Dan Sewell, Dan Horn and Howard Wilkinson.

Contact info here:

http://www.enquirer.com/staff/contact.html

[witchhazl]

29. It was locked down to the press, but I'm sure there were bipartisan

observers present. I'm sure I read when this story first came out, a quote from a Democratic lawyer who said he was there until (I think he said) 1 am, and he saw nothing suspicious.

For what it's worth.

[tom II]

35. yes, those locked in were both repubs & democrats

The election officials that were locked in were both democrat and republcians. I do not see the story here.

[geo]

39. the story here....

Hi Tom,

I understand why one would think that, but sometimes deliberative bodies get a little inbred, no matter what it looks outside. This is why sunshine laws are so important. It keeps things nice and transperent, or at least as much as is reasonably possible.

It appears from this post that they deliberated in serial through e-mail, if not also in an illegal closed session. That is bad enough, even if everything else did pan out.

For more on this position, please read the posts that talk about Ohio's open meeting laws earlier in this thread.

Warmly,

George

"sunshine is the best disinfectant." - Cheif Justice Brandies :)

[newyawker99]

40. Hi tom II

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AndyTiedye]

30. OF COURSE It Was Pre-Planned

This is ground zero of the "delivery" of Ohio's electoral votes to the President.

They say he got 72%?!?!!??? Booosh doesn't even do that well in Texas!

[BREMPRO]

32. kick (bush out of office)! N/T

[Debbie13]

37. DOES ANYONE HAVE THE EXIT POLLS ON WARREN COUNTY?

Plus types of voting equipment?

[geo]

38. kick & comment

kick...

we know something is wrong... let's get busy. ;) This one is easier to prove wrongdoing, even if it is just a flagerent violation of open meeting laws.

- George

[GetTheRightVote]

43. Yes, it is all a little to cloche and dagger for me

[geo]

44. no doubt

Hi all,

Sunshine laws are easy to deal with. I seriously question anyone person or body that believes they "need" to violate these provisions.

Imagine seeing an eight your old kid walking out of a porn shop. Even if they swear they needed to be in their for some reason it just ain't right and there are laws against it. The act itself begs some serious questions.

I hope to have more time through the holiday to work more on the Warren County sunshine law issue, so please keep the discussion fresh for me, k? :)

Warmly,

George

[roseBudd]

42. Punchcard ballots, Triad Governmental Systems

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=5118

Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. (Punchcard)


358 South Monroe Street
Xenia, OH 45385
CONTACT: Dwayne Rapp
PHONE: [phone] or 937/376-5446
FAX: [phone]
(NOTE: No prescored punchcards.)

Most large urban counties in Ohio were punchcard but ES&S
http://www.naco.org/Template.cfm?Section=Find_a_County&Template=/cffiles/counties/statemap.cfm&state=OH

The punchcard ballots in OH came from a company called Dayton Legal Blank.

[texpatriot2004]

45. I read that Bush got like 72 or 75 percent of the votes in Warren

County, more than the rest of Ohio. And I guess those terrorists in Ohio send warnings way in advance eh? Yeah, in their minds, where the imaginary terror threat came from. Or maybe the "agents" that warned them were the ones in Madsen's article that were hired to rig the election. Warren County is pretty friggin' comical at this point. If it were not such a serious thing it would be laughable. Warren County is hiding something, or many somethings...numbers I'd say. After all, it's so much easier to make the votes add up the way you want them to when you're not being watched.