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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:42 AM
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Strange things in MO Governor's race?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 02:10 AM by Carolab
Anyone know anything about odd results in a Precinct 16 in Kansas City MO?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:47 AM
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1. You can usually find all that
On your Supervisor of Elections web-site, or whatever they call them in Missouri.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:48 AM
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2. Put Missouri election results 2004 into Google.
That might bring up what you want.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:54 AM
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3. Did that
Need someone who has precinct data. The reason I ask is that Jeff Fisher specifically mentioned Precinct 16 in Kansas City. I'm wondering what happened there because Matt Blunt, who was/is Secretary of State in Missouri, ran against Claire McCaskill and he didn't win by much. Also, he was brought up on ethics charges because he was running HAVA ads with his face--thinly disguised campaign ads using taxpayer money. He was just let off of these charges yesterday.

But look what Blunt controls now that he DID win:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/jomannies/story/30C5E149737CF20D86256F54001F062B?OpenDocument&Headline=Blunt+will+have+much+influence+on+city,+county+Election+Boar&highlight=2%2Cmatt%2Cblunt
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:09 AM
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4. Election night results
http://www.kceb.org/user/now.htm

Results from 11/2/04--minus Clay and Platte counties.

McCaskill was TROUNCING Blunt. What happened?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:26 AM
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5. Look what I found
http://stloracle.blogspot.com/2004/11/what-killed-claire.html

Thanks for exposing a portion of the rest of the story.
However, you failed to notice that this is most likely due to vote fraud 2004. Claire McCaskill easily WON the election 2004 if the real votes were counted! It was quite obvious Greene, Jasper, Newton counties delayed returns until Blunt's regime knew what was happening in St. Louis. It is very obvious in numerous states in the USA the so called Bush mandate was mere vote fraud of various degrees and means. The Blunt regime did the same manipulating the vote in St. Louis, city and county, and in the other counties where they knew a complete fraud audit would never be permitted.

Wonder how Bekki Cook lost by such a slim margin? Look to Buchanan, and St. Charles County for additional portions of FIXED SELECTIONS 2004.

Wonder why the Rethugs also made sure Robin Carnahan won? Think about it---she will make sure nothing is done about vote fraud 2004-will most likely stop Bekki Cook from even insisting on her automatic recount and asking for a fraud audit, and rubber stamp Pappa and Jr. Blunt's intentions for making free and fair elections even more a thing of the past for 2006-2008 and beyond.

I have no problem identifying myself---I just didn't have time to register, etc. this a.m. Marvalene Pankey, Democratic Party nominee Mo. House 133, 2004 and vote fraud researcher since 1994. mpankey2004@yahoo.com

10:08 AM
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:40 AM
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6. Note Greene county
I find Marlavene's post above particularly interesting, because when I looked at the results for Governor, I saw that Blunt just PUNISHED McCaskill in Greene county--and look what Marlavene brought up.

The thing is, Greene is in St. Louis/Springfield area? And Jeff talked about KC?
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:45 PM
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10. I had asked in the state forum if anyone was crunching the
numbers, that I had read of some really strange things in the 2000 election in Mo. I couldn't recall Pankey's name and I couldn't find the site I had read before. If you google Malvena's name you will find her account of the 2000 election. I don't know anything of her credibility, but it sure was interesting reading to say the least. She sounded a little odd and claims to have been threatened. Who knows?

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:29 AM
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7. FLASH BULLETIN! Blogger calls march on Fox NOW!

Combined protest against Fox and the rigged election —

The objective is specifically to challenge the wall of silence on the rigged election by news outlets like Fox and make a breakthrough —

Please spread this around, check it out and kick it —

A blogger has posted an extremely detailed, specific call to protest the rigged election AND the suppression of the truth ABOUT the rigged election by Fox News — a combined event mass march protest to be held in New York City — AT — Fox headquarters on 6th Avenue —

Main protest chant —

“Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!”

Nobody thinks of marching against a news organization in the streets. This is going to be a shot heard round the world.

Very comprehensive protest plan with very helpful travel details, the works —

See blog on this,

“A Call To March On Fox —

For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election!” —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Discussion thread in General Discussion Forum — please help keep this kicked —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2688242

“A Call To March Against The Rigged Election”

Please spread these links around to help us organize this.

Please join that discussion there and help keep it kicked. Marching on Fox starts at post 117. But read the whole discussion. And read the blog. Discussion also discusses an earlier blog on marching against the rigged election and media. Second blog being discussed is on a specific, detailed call to march on Fox specifically as a key initial part of this protest against the rigged election. Fox is a key ENABLER of the rigged election. They’d never get away with election rigging on such a vast scale if it weren’t for news suppressers/distorters like Fox. Read both blogs.

Tremendously detailed comprehensive blog —

It gives the exact location in New York City of all of Rupert Murdoch’s empire, New York Post, Fox News, News Corporation (Murdoch’s big parent company — it owns almost everything else he’s got) — all of that — it’s all in a single building on 6th Avenue between 47th Street and 48th Street in mid-Manhattan. Murdoch’s own office is in the building too. We can be chanting against him right outside his window. All their offices are not on very high floors either — as low as the second floor — they’ll see and hear us and have to pass us on the way in. All those blow-hard Fox talking heads lying about the election — we’ll be in direct shouting matches with them as they come and go. And Fox itself is on the SECOND Floor. How good is their studio soundproofing in there????? Everybody at Fox is going to be bitching that they can’t get any work done. There’s no way they can hush this up.

Since it’s a vicious circle — news organizations like Fox suppress our protests, making them seem futile, therefore the proposal is to combine objectives and protest Fox AND the rigged election TOGETHER right outside Murdoch’s building and tie the two evils together — “Murdoch suppresses the truth about the rigged election!” — and invite other New York news organizations, many of whom DETEST Murdoch, to cover it. (You didn’t know New York news people and news executives hate Murdoch? Blog goes into that a lot.)

Blog has many links to anti-Murdoch resources and video of Bill O’Reilly telling everybody to shut up, shut up, shut up, over and over. What a sewer rat! Right on camera! He looks really mean and drunk in one of the film clips. Jack Daniels? And he’s on camera hotly lecturing us, “It is our duty as all loyal Americans to shut up.” The video nails him good — and Fox. Blog gives other video links too.

Tired of being told to shut your trap? Open it. March against Fox and the rigged election in New York City.

But the idea is to put it all together, to protest and denounce Fox outside their offices for leading the COVER-UP of the election heist. It’s a shot across the bow to the rest of the media that they better start telling the truth about the election, or they’ll get protests like the one at Fox. All the national news media are based in Manhattan. They can’t say this protest was too out of the way to get to.

Blog also has links to downloadable anti-Fox flyers, petitions and other resources against Fox that could be distributed at the protest march.

Blog goes into tremendous detail about the strategy, the advantages of starting protests in New York as opposed to other cities (huge liberal population would augment people coming from out of town), and it’s the news media capital of the world. Very friendly terrain. New York Democratic congressmen are demanding investigation of the stolen election. No rednecks in the population or the government, no paranoid security apparatus like you have in D.C.

Blog includes complete “mother lode” total orientation guide to using New York subways with downloadable maps you can enlarge, how to use mass transit to get from Amtrak’s Penn Station to the march, how to use mass transit to get from the airports to the march.

Let’s make it happen!

Keep kicking that thread so everyone will hear of this!

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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:35 AM
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8. I'm kicking this
Can anyone do their stats magic on Missouri numbers?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:42 PM
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9. kick
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:36 PM
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11. Kick
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 08:37 PM by Carolab
I got some feedback this is a precinct 1-6, not 16
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:34 PM
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12. What the hell is Blunt's involvement with the military ballots and SERVE?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 10:35 PM by Carolab
http://business.newsforge.com/business/04/09/02/0538238.shtml?tid=110

By the way, Blunt served in the Navy in Afghanistan in 2001...read the article.

SERVE is the Accenture program for the military...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:51 PM
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13. self-serving kick
does anyone want to help me here? This is bigger than it may appear to be...I have some inside information that it is. So help me out, okay?
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:59 PM
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14. I'm looking to see if I can find it
Greene county is the Springfield area. Southern part of the state.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:01 PM
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15. Thank you--the post I supplied above says to look in St. Louis area
"It was quite obvious Greene, Jasper, Newton counties delayed returns until Blunt's regime knew what was happening in St. Louis. It is very obvious in numerous states in the USA the so called Bush mandate was mere vote fraud of various degrees and means. The Blunt regime did the same manipulating the vote in St. Louis, city and county, and in the other counties where they knew a complete fraud audit would never be permitted."

but Jeff Fisher mentioned pct. 1-6 in Kansas City.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:04 PM
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16. Is that sixteen or one through six?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:11 PM
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18. I'm really not sure
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 11:11 PM by Carolab
I saw it as 16 in Jeff's e-mail, but some feedback I got said 1-6. I guess the thing is to look for any such precinct(s) in KC and see if things look strange there.

Greene county is VERY weird. And I really CANNOT see how Blunt won when McCaskill was beating him by about 70% to 30% on election night (see link in above post), with only two counties not reported--Platte and Clay. So maybe look for irregularities in Platte and Clay?
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:24 AM
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21. I don't think Missouri keeps records
I'm having a hard time finding anything, but I can find you the results for Platte and Clay.

This is for Clay. The only strange thing I see right off is:

U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 75 of 75
John F. Kerry, John Edwards DEM 44,670 46.3%
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney REP 51,193 53.1%

Governor Precincts Reporting 75 of 75
McCaskill, Claire DEM 49,573 51.7%
Blunt, Matt REP 44,763 46.7%

It seems if Claire won, Kerry would have too.

PLATTE
Office Candidate Party Votes % of Votes
U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 35 of 35
John F. Kerry, John Edwards DEM 18,412 43.9%
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney REP 23,302 55.5%

Governor Precincts Reporting 31 of 31
McCaskill, Claire DEM 20,970 50.3%
Blunt, Matt REP 20,137 48.3%

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/countyresults.asp?eid=131&cids=15192%2C+15146&cboCounties=15146&submit1.x=19&submit1.y=16




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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:09 AM
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22. So HOW in the HECK does THIS work?
On election night we see McCaskill is CLOBBERING Blunt.

Platte and Clay county results are not included.

The above results show McCaskill WON Platte and Clay.

The BIG, GLARING thing I see in the results is GREENE County, in St. Louis--LOOK at it--Blunt just SLAMMED McCaskill there.

Matt Blunt's father, Roy Blunt, served 12 years as Green County clerk before winning election as secretary of state in 1984. At the time, Matt's grandfather, Leroy Blunt, was a member of the House of Representatives. Blunt's father lost his own bid for governor in 1992.

Do you think something is UP with Greene County--especially when you read the post above from the person on that other website that said they HELD BACK the Greene County results until later????
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:14 AM
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24. Greene county is not in St Louis.
It's the southern part of the state. Springfield is Greene county.
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:08 PM
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17. kick
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:12 PM
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19. Also--do people here know about the Blunt family and BIG TOBACCO?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 11:33 PM by Carolab
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:20 AM
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20. Connect the DOD and Blunt and Accenture
Can we research the Blunt connection to defense?

We have Matt Blunt's service in Afghanistan!!! (Elections, remember?)

And we have ACCENTURE.

SO, connect the dots....
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:33 AM
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23. LOOK at Roy Blunt's connections to DEFENSE
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 01:40 AM by Carolab
http://www.blunt4congress.net/newsdetailed.asp?id=14

Mentioned is GEMS--is this connected to Diebold GEMS???

AND he is involved in faith-based initiatives as well that would enable the government to buy up private land.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34135


This Blunt family really stinks.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:27 AM
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25. Here are the St Louis numbers
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 10:31 AM by HeeBGBz
Can't find anything by precinct yet.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/countyresults.asp?eid=131&cids=15156%2C+15157&cboCounties=15157&submit1.x=75&submit1.y=8

I have St Louis City and St Louis county both quite blue.

The only other odd Missouri thing that struck me as off.

In Boone county, there were two marijuana issues on ballot.

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Nov/20041103News008.asp

>snip<

"Proposition 1, which allows seriously ill adults to use marijuana with permission from their physicians, passed with 32,945, or 69 percent, of the votes, compared with 14,541 votes against. Proposition 2, which limits all small-quantity marijuana arrests to a maximum $250 fine in municipal court with no criminal record, passed with 61 percent of the vote, 28,723-18,544."

This was a decent margin on both issues. Yet the county went to Bush by 153 votes. Marijuana changes strikes me as a more liberal issue. So why didn't the presidential vote reflect that?

Edited to add:

The Governor's race in Boone county was also for Democrat McCaskill.

Governor Precincts Reporting 90 of 90
McCaskill, Claire DEM 38,489 51.1%
Blunt, Matt REP 35,666 47.3%
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