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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:24 PM
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Need graphics, maps, tables, photos for TV show on election fraud.
Okay, visual wizards here!

A local cable tv group is planning to do a show on the election stuff. Half-hour -- Mostly live interviews, but I figure there is time to show maybe as many as 5 or 10 graphs, charts, maps, or photos.

Give me your best shot (not 50 please!). National is fine. Particular states, especially Ohio, are fine.

With a link please.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:36 PM
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1. florida optiscans vs touchscreen voting
http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm#FL (click on the two charts to get larger ones - I don't want to embed the giant ones here.)
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:41 PM
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3. Caution
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 01:44 PM by Duncan
There might be some bogus charts out there made to sow doubt and confusion about fraud evidence. This one from ideamouth, for example, is contrary to the UC Berkeley study. I would guess the UC Berkeley study is more accurate. Try going here:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4194

and

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:47 PM
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4. I made those charts
With the data from Kathy Dopp. It's not "contrary" to any studies - it's just a plot of data.

You'll find them linked on her site as well: http://uscountvotes.org/ if you search on "simple pictures."

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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:19 PM
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5. hey lwfern -- that layout and design is one of the clearest I have seen!
Nice work.

I think what has people worried is that somehow the UC Berkeley study is claiming that Ohio came out clean in their work, and Florida optical scan was not a problem but the evoting counties were, according to the way they put together their work.

The data you worked with from Kathy Dopp pretty much shows the opposite -- larger discrepancies in opscan counties.

We really need more graphics of some of these studies, like you did.

Would you be willing to take a look at the UC Berkeley study and see if there's anything you could render into a chart, so we could see how it looks that way -- they didn't chart their findings, except one chart that is hard for a layperson to understand.

Here is the link to get there.

Most interesting statement they made --

Paraphrase of UC Berkeley findings on presidential vote:
The more "blue" a Florida county was in 2000 presidential tallies, the more unexpected "red" votes were observed in 2004, in those Florida counties utilizing electronic voting.

I'd love to see if there's a graphical way to illustrate the above sentence, which is a paraphrase of sort of an offhand statement made by lead author Hout at the press conference.

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/
University of California - Berkeley
UC Data - Data Archive & Technical Assistance
first entry under VOTING

Working Paper:

The Effect of Electronic Voting Machines on
Change in Support for Bush
in the 2004 Florida Elections


by Michael Hout, Laura Mangels, Jennifer Carlson, and Rachel Best
With the assistance of the UC Berkeley Quantitative Methods Research Team
Last revision: 11/22/2004

Summary:

- Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President George W. Bush in Florida.

- Compared to counties with paper ballots, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increases in support for President Bush between 2000 and 2004. This effect cannot be explained by differences between counties in income, number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of Hispanic/Latino population.

- In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.

- We can be 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance.

Details:

Because many factors impact voting results, statistical tools are necessary to see the effect of touch-screen voting. Multiple-regression analysis is a statistical technique widely used in the social and physical sciences to distinguish the individual effects of many variables.

This multiple-regression analysis takes account of the following variables by county:
- number of voters
- median income
- Hispanic population
- change in voter turnout between 2000 and 2004
- support for President Bush in 2000 election
- support for Dole in 1996 election

When one controls for these factors, the association between electronic voting and increased support for President Bush is impossible to overlook. The data show with 99.0% certainty that a county’s use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush.

The data used in this study come from CNN.com, the 2000 US Census, the Florida Department of State, and the Verified Voting Foundation - all publicly available sources. This study was carried out by a group of doctoral students in the UC Berkeley sociology department in collaboration with Professor Michael Hout, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the UC Berkeley Survey Research Center.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From the paper, pg. 4: "Essentially, net of other effects, electronic voting had the greatest positive effect in percent voting for Bush from 2000 to 2004 in democratic counties."

From the press conference on Nov. 18, 2004, paraphrasing by KPFT reporter Pokey Anderson:

Simply put, the more "blue" a Florida county was in 2000 presidential tallies, the more unexpected "red" votes were observed in 2004 in those Florida counties utilizing electronic voting.

The most numerically important of the Florida counties with discrepancies under this model, Hout said, would be: Broward, Palm Beach, and Miami-Dade.

Here's a excerpt of the press conference -

According to Sociology Professor Michael Hout (UC-Berkeley) in a press conference on November 18, 2004:

Q: Were there counties in which there was e-voting but no anomalies?

A: Yes, some of the small counties that had strong support for President Bush actually didn't produce any statistical anomaly.
...ur estimate of the size of the discrepancy between evoting and optical scan is proportional to the level of support that the President got in the 2000 election. So the bigger the support he got, the smaller the effect. So, I guess I should say, it's proportional to Vice President Gore's support.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:05 PM
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10. I can do that.
I'll take a look at it, sure!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 12:41 PM
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2. This Great site must have some resources for you to use!
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:28 PM
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6. Compendium thread here
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:30 PM
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7. Bush's 8,000,000 new (phantom) voters
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:34 PM
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8. graphics here
http://udpc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45

By the way, I have personally been working with Kathy Dopp to keep these machines out of Utah. Anyone who can help her out crunching numbers, email her:

kathy@truthisbetter.org

If you want her on the interview let me know.



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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:04 PM
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9. The exit poll presentation by TruthIsAll...
is the clearest, simplest way to understand election fraud. He posted it under the title PRELIMINARY PRES. ELECTION FRAUD PROBABILITY ANALYSIS on November 5. I don't know how to search for it.

Make the point that this is how other nations, notably this week the Ukraine, proves to its population that the election has not been stolen.

The material he presented was the following:

Historically, Exit polls are accurate within 2%

The deviation is the difference in percent between the first exit polls and the vote.
All the following states final results agreed with the exit polls

THEY ALL HAD PAPER TRAILS.

State...% voting deviation from exit polls
+2B means the change was + 2 for Bush

AZ 0
LA +2B
MI 0
IA +1B
ME 0 <no BBV
NV 0 < paper trail
MO -1B
IL 0 paper ballot

..............................................................
Now look at the states that were in play where there was NO paper trail. They ALL had Bush doing MUCH better than the Exit polls indicated.

They were ALL WAY OUTSIDE the 2% MoE.

WI +4B
PA +5B
OH +6B
FL +7B
MN +7B
NH +15B
NC +9B
CO +4B
NM +3B

ALL RESULTS WERE SKEWED TO BUSH!

Any deviations above 5% have a probability of 0 to 1%.
Deviation = 4% has a probability of 2%.
Deviation = 3% has a probability of 4%

The JOINT COMBINED probability is VIRTUALLY ZERO that these were just random deviations!

THIS HAS THE MAKINGS OF A CLEAR CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE THAT THIS WAS A MASSIVELY TAINTED ELECTION.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:11 PM
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11. Are these the graphs you're talking about?




<--- this is the one I suspect you mean
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:58 PM
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12. THIS IS A LINK TO MY THREADS; CHECK THE GRAPHS
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 05:00 PM by TruthIsAll
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:06 PM
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13. Truth is All -- that latest bar chart
is looking mighty close to something pretty convincing.

NEW


Unfortunately, my training in statistics (and I admit it's real rusty) would ALSO lead me to expect (like some of the other posters over there) that a deviation from 0 -- whether FOR Bush and AGAINST Bush -- would have a comparable deviation number -- 1 SD or 2 SD or whatever -- I guess it depends on the size of the sample for that state?


If I were doing that chart -- and I'm not -- I would highlight or make a dark grey or something the horizontal area of -1 to 0 to +1% change --

or -2 to 0 to +2

those would be logically within some standard of error. Those would be states with tally results close to exit poll results -- damn few, eh?

Anyway, as it is, it is tantalizing but I don't think it's finished.



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