Jesse Jackson is on Countdown next...

[dzika]

on MSNBC.

[dzika]

1. Jesse was also interviewed on DemocracyNOW!

on this afternoon's video broadcast.

[dzika]

3. Here is a llink to the story on DemocracyNOW!

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/30/1526202

It includes links to the video (although it was a telephone interview)

Jackson hasn't come on Countdown yet... should be another 5 minutes.

[ReneB]

2. could someone give some infos what they say? thanks :) nt

[rodeodance]

9. jj mentioned the Homeland security lockdown and other things.

[ReneB]

12. very good :) more? :) nt

[rodeodance]

16. jj puzzled at the silened of the Dems and Kerry who promised all votes

will be counted.
We deserve to know if there was tampering of e-voting says JJ.
It deserves a thourough investigation.

Says Kerry conceded much too quickly!!

Blackwell is co-chair of Bush-cheney campsign. Those we run the process should not be biased toward one party.

Do you think there was fraud in OHIO?--yes, says JJ!! Keith pushed him to say this.

[ReneB]

22. thanks alot nt

[dzika]

4. kick n/t

[dzika]

5. Jackson: "Kiev, what about Cleveland"

coming on now.

[rodeodance]

6. KO said JJ got blasted on his show last night (ko is right)

says until JJ came to OHIO on Sunday--the recount in OHIO was going virtually unnoticed!!

[berniew1]

7. Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio

Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio in several counties

In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland running for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than votes than Kerry in many counties. For example in Butler County, Connally received 5347 more votes than Kerry. The list of the counties where Connally actually outpolled Kerry include Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren.

The reason the Kerry vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get many more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush. ""Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. As of election night, 5,481,804 votes were counted for Bush and Kerry. 4,327,270 votes were counted for Moyer and Connally.

""This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,"" said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

[Patsy Stone]

8. HE ROCKS SO HARD!!!!!!!! N/T

[crispini]

10. kick

JJ Citing
- change of countywide provisional voting to 'must vote in precinct.'
- Warren county
- Connally getting more votes than Kerry in Cuyahoga, other counties.
"We need a thorough investigation, recount. Blackwell should be recused"

[Clark2008]

20. Jesse made his point and well

and didn't sound like he needed a tin-foil hat.

Keith asked of him questions with the same toughness he did of Katherine Blackwell (what I wouldn't give for Keith to pretend to flub and say, "...Katherine Blackwell, I'm sorry, Kenneth Blackwell..." and continue on with his sentence. :D )

I think I'm wearing out poor Keith's inbox. Can someone else e-mail him and tell him what a fantastic job he's doing. I even ran into someone at the gas station who saw my Clark and anti-Bush stickers. She had anti-Bush stickers, as well. We both, in nearly the same breath, told each other to watch Olbermann.

Don't know about you, but two folks discussing Keith Olbermann in Tennessee would have been unheard of - well, except when he was on ESPN during college football season - in any other time.

Keep it up, Keith.

And, Jesse... thank you for "brinin' it on!"

[rodeodance]

24. yes--agree--We ALL need to email KO tonight--great job!!

[loritooker]

28. I always thank him and will do it again tonight

[Shopaholic]

11. PREACH Jesse, Preach

Damn, I love Jesse.

[crispini]

13. more

Where are the Dems?
"I'm amazed at the silence of the Dems."
- electronic machine have no audit trail
- Eliminated almost a third of the voters in Cuyhoga on technicalites.
- Call for forensic computer analysis.

JJ spoke w. JFK Friday.
"He conceded too quickly.... His lawyers ought to be visible."
155,000 provisonals uncounted.
92,000 ballots unproocessed

[rodeodance]

21. maybe JJ will put the Dem party to shame tonight!!

[henslee]

32. I suspect, Jesse's call to the dems for action is calculated and that JK

and Dems are well informed of his activity. It to seem to be part of the m.o. for JK not to seem sore-loser-ish. But hey, if he is drafted by independents and grassroots dems to step up, what choice would he have but to report for duty.

[proudtobeadem]

42. Sounds like he's been speaking to Bev

"Call for forensic computer analysis."
Does anyone know if he has?

[crispini]

14. more

KO: where do you stand in spectrum of "errors of omission" to 'fraud'
- Blackwell
Unfair for the man who owns the team to be the umpire.
Those who run the process should not be an advocate of one party for another.
Calling for FEDERAL supervision, FEDERAL right to vote.

Do you think there was fraud in Ohio?
"Well, I think so, but we'll only know if there's a thorough investigation."

[Im with Rosey]

26. How can we ENCOURAGE Jesse

I thought he was very good, clear points of discussion. How can we convince him we are with him and we support him? Those that have a voice in MSM need to be supported by those of us that don't. Maybe if we continue the positive to K.O., include positive about Jesse, we will see more of him. Incrediable the difference between Jesse and last night with Blackwell!!

[rodeodance]

29. Yes,--glad KO pused JJ to admit he thinks there was FRAUD

[Poiuyt]

33. It's really nice to hear a major figure say that he thinks

fraud had occurred. I wish more people (besides us) would show some guts.

[berniew1]

15. GAO investigating widespread reports of malfeasance of Ohio officials

http://www.dispatch.com/election.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/25/20041125-D1-03.html
ELECTION DAY AFTERMATH More voting questions raised
Thursday, November 25, 2004 Jon Craig THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


An Akron man filed a complaint with the Summit County Board of Elections saying he "witnessed election judges telling potential voters that they could cast a provisional ballot at any table or precinct and if they did so, it would be counted."
Neil F. Schoenwetter Jr. was a volunteer election challenger for the Democratic Party on Nov. 2 at Copley High School, where six precincts voted.
Congress’ investigative agency, responding to complaints from Ohio and elsewhere, has begun to look into the vote count, including the handling of provisional ballots and malfunctions of voting machines.
The Government Accountability Office usually begins investigations at the request of Congress, but the agency’s head, Comptroller General David Walker, said the GAO acted on its own because of ballot-counting complaints.
The investigation was not triggered by several House Democrats who had written the agency this month, seeking an investigation. That effort was led by senior Judiciary Committee member John Conyers, of Michigan.
Conyers yesterday said he would like the investigation to include allegations that not enough voting machines were available in some Democratic areas, such as Franklin County.
Meanwhile, attorneys for various citizen action groups that plan to contest the results said they are puzzled that vote totals in the presidential race in Warren County far exceed totals in most other statewide and countywide races.
For example, the total of 94,415 votes cast there for President Bush or Sen. John Kerry is 3,000 more than all those cast in the U.S. Senate race and a constitutional amendment about same-sex marriage.
Further, 20,000 to 24,000 fewer votes were cast in three Ohio Supreme Court races and 13,000 to 24,000 fewer were cast in various countywide races.
In Warren County, which reported a 33 percent increase in voter turnout from the 2000 elections, election officials had banned observers at the polls for "homeland security" concerns.
Clifford O. Arnebeck, a Columbus attorney representing the Alliance for Democracy, said he has testimony from poll worker Liz Kent, of Warren County, asserting, "There was no way the actual vote could have been as reported."
Arnebeck’s group plans to join several others in contesting the results in the Ohio Supreme Court. Two third-party presidential candidates plan to formally request a recount.
President Bush’s uncertified margin of victory over Kerry totals more than 137,000 votes in Ohio. There were 155,337 provisional and more than 5,000 overseas ballots.
In Summit County, Schoenwetter said he witnessed election judges giving incorrect instructions to voters in four precincts.
"I tried, unsuccessfully, to point out the judges’ errors to the judges," he said in his affidavit. "I also observed that poll workers were not helpful to — in fact, some were overtly hostile to the idea of helping — voters whose names were not on the rolls in finding their correct polling place.
"Some lines were over an hour or two long. At other precincts, there was no line. I believe that there were potential voters who requested provisional ballots at the incorrect precinct because it was more convenient and because they were told that casting a provisional ballot at any precinct was acceptable," he said.
Bryan C. Williams, director of the Summit County elections board, said he was unaware of Schoenwetter’s affidavit, saying, "We have a stack of complaints we received."
Williams said it would be incorrect to advise people that their provisional ballot would be counted if they were in the wrong precinct. Of 5,400 provisional ballots, about 25 percent won’t be counted, he said, including people not registered or at the wrong address.
Information from the Associated Press was included in this story.

[crispini]

17. Ha, they're having to reVOTE in Carterette.

NH is finished! NO DISCREPANCIES, per KEITH.

[Yuugal]

43. only 49 states to go! nt

[dzika]

18. Quick quotes from Jesse

Jackson said that the Ohio Supreme Court should set aside the electors. Suit is being filed.

Jackson used the word "Fraud"

KO said that Jackson was insulted by Ohio SOS Blackwell.

JJ: "Blackwell sought to nullify 20,000 votes."

Jackson sites numerous problems in Ohio: Wants investigation and recount.

Jackson is amazed at the silence of Kerry and Democrats.

JJ: "We deserve to know and right now we do not know."

JJ: "It desrves a thorough investigation"

JJ: "It's interesting that Mr. Blackwell is the co-chairman for the Bush campaign and yet is the man in charge of the process. You wouldn't allow the owner of the team to be the main umpire for the big game."

JJ: "We do not have the constitutional federal right to vote."

JJ: "Why is it 28 days after the election has not been certified. That's a long time to wait."

[Pepper32]

45. Thanks for posting this... You Go Jesse! n/t

[SueZhope]

19. keith & jackson missed the

latest news on this?
thought it was live

[dzika]

23. I assumed that is was live.

n/t

[SueZhope]

25. The post about the dems in the Ohio lawsuit is

REAL?
this was not a figment of my imagination right?

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. YEP

I just watched it.

[rodeodance]

37. "Concerning John Kerry's Intervention in Ohio Recount Court Case"

This was posted on another thread but seems pertinant here.


http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

News Room > Press Releases >

November 30, 2004

Statement From the Green Party Presidential Campaign Concerning John Kerry's Intervention in Ohio Recount Court Case

Kerry-Edwards campaign files papers in Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik

Ohio — Today, attorneys representing the Kerry-Edwards campaign filed papers in Delaware County, Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik and their legal counsel, the National Voting Rights Institute, who are seeking a recount of all votes cast for president in the Ohio 2004 general election.

"We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well."
— Blair Bobier
Cobb-LaMarche Media Director

[rodeodance]

31. yes--it is raal--it is on another thread

[henslee]

27. Jesse & all who discuss recounting should always invoke the talking point:

Isn't a test of our voting system a good thing for democracy that everyone should be for... regardless of party affiliation? Especially after the 2000 controversy? Don't Americans deserve a comfort level regarding our voting system?

[SueZhope]

34. Did any one else notice that

Keith nor Jackson did not mention this news?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x94805

[New Earth]

35. Keith's show is not live

it's recorded right before it's aired. :(

[SueZhope]

36. Thank you Faye

I cant wait for tomorrow's show!!!!
Kieth is going to have some BIG news
to talk about ..and the rest of the MSM they cant miss this one
get ready for the REAL countdown

[Im with Rosey]

38. I missed the last bit of K.O.

What did he say about tomorrow's show that you think is big news?

[New Earth]

39. Olbermann didn't say he had big news for tomorrow

we're just saying he WILL have some for tomorrow, after this announcement that Kerry/Edwards are helping out in Ohio.

[SueZhope]

40. This news

This is the big one..have you read this yet?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[SueZhope]

41. Opps sorry this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x94805

[dzika]

50. Kerry Team Seeks to Join Fight To Get Ohio County to Recount

Here's the story from the Washington Post that we hope to see on Countdown tomorrow night:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23344-2004Nov30.html

Kerry Team Seeks to Join Fight To Get Ohio County to Recount
Wednesday, December 1, 2004; Page A08

-snip-
Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign asked an Ohio judge
yesterday to allow it to join a legal fight there over whether
election officials in one county may sit out the state's impending
recount.

Lawyers for the Kerry campaign asked to join Green Party
presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian candidate Michael
Badnarik and the National Voting Rights Institute in the fight to
force the county to participate in the recount. "If there's going to
be a recount in Ohio, we don't want it to exclude Delaware County or
any other county that might decide to follow Delaware County's
lead," Kerry lawyer Dan Hoffheimer said. "It should be a full, fair
and accurate recount."

[jmknapp]

44. I hope Jesse has dropped that Connally stuff

Did he mention it tonight?

It's so half-baked and off base.

[texpatriot2004]

49. It's not half-baked and Jesse wasn't wrong, check this out.

From Blog - Something is Rotten in Denmark
http://rottendenmark.blogspot.com/

..."So what was Jackson talking about?

To get the latest data, I looked at the Butler County, Warren County, and Clermont County websites. In these suburban Cincy counties,the Dem candidate for Chief Justice polled better than Kerry did, even as the Rep candidate for Chief Justice got significantly fewer votes than Bush did. Put simply, Connally actually got more votes than Kerry in one of the most Republican areas of the state -- far from her Cleveland geographic base:

Butler results (with rounding):
Bush 109,900, Kerry 56,200
Moyer 68,400 Connally 61,600

Warren County results (with rounding):
Bush 68,000 Kerry 26,000
Moyer 45,000 Connally 28,500

Clermont County results (with rounding):
Bush 62,900 Kerry 25,900.
Moyer 43,600 Connally 30,000.

These are true anamolies. Look at the rest of Ohio's results and you cannot readily find similar oddities.

Warren, by the way, was the security "lockdown" county. Election officials cited terrorism concerns and closed the count to the media on election night.

How did Moyer lose 40K Republican votes in Butler County while Connally gained 5K over Kerry? Strange.

In Warren, Moyer lost 23K Republican votes, Connally gained 2.5K votes.

In Clermont, Moyer lost nearly 20K votes compared to Bush, Connally gained over 4K.

It seems very odd to me (and to the various observers noted above) that Connally did substantially better than Kerry in terms of absolute votes in these three Republican counties.

In "net" win-loss terms, tens of thousands of Republican voters in these heavily Republican counties apparently ignored their judicial candidate (on a night when gay marriage and judicial activism was apparently on their minds), while thousands of Democrats actually liked their top judicial candidate more than they liked Kerry..."

[proudtobeadem]

46. kick

[gorbal]

47. Symposium

Jesse will attend a symposium in Ohio this weekend, and Greg Palast will be speaking at a RALLY before at one-

http://caseohio.home.mindspring.com/

[Miami Liberal]

48. Keith and Jesse Rocked Tonight!!

:bounce:

[budkin]

51. A fine showing by JJ!

Now get on on the damn train Kerry!