Theory: Kerry doesn't want to be president (yet)

[sportndandy]

It makes sense. Who would want the job in the next couple of years after the mess that Bush has created? Kerry can look like the good guy, the guy who should have been president, while Bush flounders. In a couple of years the country is crying for Kerry, and he rolls in 2008. Course none of that plays without election reform, but he has some time to work that out too.
Just a theory. Not a troll.

[meganmonkey]

1. Won't the mess just get worse after 4 more years of the B*shies?

:shrug:

[sportndandy]

8. yes

but the partisan atmosphere might be toned down if the far right proves to be a disaster. In other words he might play four more bad years into an overwhelming mandate. The mess will be bigger, but the cleanup will be easier. We would just have to keep our chins up til then.

[jamboi]

27. He might be waiting for widespread large protests. Let's organize. n/t

[Goldmund]

2. If that's the case, he should go to hell.

That is a prime example of personal ambitions overriding the public good.

I don't agree this is the case, though.

[IAMREALITY]

6. Oh God

Why do we even reply to such Ludicrous theories? I can't think of anything I've seen on DU more Off the Mark of Reality then saying 'maybe Kerry doesn't wantttttt to be President right now'. I mean my god, the absurdity LOL

[sportndandy]

9. Good reasoning

Thanks for replying.

[angrydemocrat]

33. I agree with IAMREALITY on this

That pure RIDICULOUS BULL$HIT!! This man has wanted to be president ever since he was young. He has worked his whole life to become president. This man loves and respects this country as much as anyone and has served this country almost his entire life to get to this point in his career. And to even say such BULL$HIT is utterly ridiculous regardless of who you are and what you think of him personally! Some people need to take there damn blinders off.

[IAMREALITY]

35. Thank You

You put into words what I wanted to earlier, but I was at work and couldn't spend the time being rational, I could only type off the top of my head LOL

[ewagner]

3. Even in that case

it would be better if it was widely known that he was cheated out of the Presidency rather than just a "loser"

[President Jesus]

4. 700 days on the campaign trail. yup, didn't want it..

good luck with that theory.

[New Earth]

5. if he didn't want to president now

why would he have run in the first place?

[mdhunter]

7. No one goes through the hell that is a campaign without wanting it

And if you didn't when you started, you do by the end.

[Pirate Smile]

10. Bull.

[Marnieworld]

11. Nope. I don't think so.

He's never run from a fight or a challenge in his life. I really believe that he wants to take America back from this right-wing fascists. I personally have thought since Nov 3rd that Kerry has never stopped fighting, never stopped working on this election and that he has had a plan and a strategy and it is all slowly being revealed. Perhaps he won't be successful but the person that campaigned, the person REALLY REVEALED in "Going Upriver", would never walk away from a fight and would never walk away from anyone who needs his help.

[sportndandy]

14. If he never ran

Were is he today?

[ginnyinWI]

16. that question doesn't make sense

just because a person isn't in the news, it doesn't mean they are doing nothing. Activity does not automatically mean media attention, especially if the person in question doesn't want it.

[Old and In the Way]

19. Think of his fight in terms of a guerilla war.

The Vietnamese weren't so stupid as to confront the US military machine head-on. Kerry's political fight is being conducted in a similar fashion.

[Marnieworld]

21. Just because he's not on camera...

doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Where is he today? Beats me. What is he doing wherever he is? Working his ass off to make sure he tried everything to win, tried everything he could to make sure every vote counted. Lawyers are in vital states. The campaign is following EVERYTHING unturned by all of the grass-roots efforts. I'm sure there are people pouring over election law and constitutional laws to find a way. Just because they are being clever as to how to manage the way it is covered in the media does not mean that he's moved on. They are all way too strong and smart for that.

[angrydemocrat]

34. Amen!

As I said in a earlier post some people need to take their damn blinders off! This man has always been a fighter never has this man been a quitter at anything. Those who continue to spew this garbage are either people who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground or they were against Kerry from the start or they wouldn't being making the remarks they do. To say you disagree with him on something and don't support him is one thing but all this crap about him being a quitter, not wanting to be president, he's in cahoots with chimp because of the skull and bones, he hasn't done nothing as a senator, (hell the list goes on at the garbage people have said) for people to say that they do not know John F. Kerry and they might want to learn a little bit more. This man has always been a believer in the fact that all Americans should be able to live the American dream not just the wealthy and privaleged. He has always been on the side of the poor, middle class, working people of this country not the rich, privaleged, big business. Kerry is a fighter for the all people and a true fighter for his country. Kerry has worked hard to get where he is today and he will continue to work hard for his country and the people in it.

[Karenca]

12. No way

I must disagree with your theory.
Kerry really wanted to be Pres. and I think he still will be.

[politicasista]

15. I am just wondering how he can be president...

if Bush has already put his cabinet in place, and has visited Canada? Just curious.

[ginnyinWI]

17. phooey

Bush is currently still in his first term. Yes, it would be a seismic shift, and history-making, but it could happen. If he goes, then his appointees probably would follow.

[splat]

18. Nothing is real until inauguration

Kerry would have been naming his cabinet members too, had the votes been counted in his favor, but it's all just preparation until the official swearing in.

[Karenca]

24. Their term hasnt started--

screw them and their fake cabinet.
So what if he visted Canada? What has Canada got to do with the fact he stole the votes, and he is not really the Pres???

[sportndandy]

13. Did anyone see the word YET?

Oh Kerry isn't some political animal or anything. He is an altruistic public servant without a shred of personal ambition. He is unable to be patient either, if he were to judge that waiting might not be more prudent. Are we talking about the same guy?

[Detergent Insurgent]

20. Refrain: Kerry Still Wants To Be President?

Occasionally a losing candidate will make another run and be successful in capturing the presidency. Most recent example is Richard Nixon who returned eight years after being defeated by Kennedy. Of course history converged to a point where Nixon was able to capitalize on what was going on. In fact Kerry took on Nixon over the Vietnam War along with a lot of other Vietnam Veterans, including me. Kerry became a target of Nixon and one of his old nemeses materialized to continue the attack with the Swift Boat Propagandists.

If Kerry still wants to be president he will signal that intention loud and clear over the next four years. He has to become an "obstructionist", to fight Bush and Company at every turn when they seek to institute their radical programs. If he does he will run for president and he will have the credentials to do so. If he reverts back to being a senator then that is what he will still be four years from now, if he is re-elected.

Detergent Insurgent, scrubbing for a better way! :hippie:

[newyawker99]

30. Hi Detergent Insurgent!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[libertypirate]

22. Doh! Don't fall into the I want this resolved trap. Patience people

Are you nuts Kerry went after daddy in the 80's... Knows not easy going after people who are ex-Farm grads. Farm grads are experts at counter intel, counter intel hides bad deeds done by bad people.

Too loud too quick, the evidence will be dead... If the evidence is dead so is the effort to get it to the people of this country, the evidence must keep breathing...

If the evidence dies we can't prove x paid y for jack.

Some of the evidence may have already expired... or reached the end of it's usefullness.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. I somewhat agree..... The repubs in the senate and house would

block the White House's every move....then point out that "he's getting nothing done". The war would soon be referred to as "Kerry's Quagmire".
The deficit suddenly would be "typical democratic tax and spend politics".

Nothing John Kerry did, short of walking on water, would be good enough for the republican loyalists.

Come to think of it...."walking on water" was Buxh's campaign platform. ....Where's the outrage?

on edit:
If Kerry had won by the anticipated 25% - 75% there wouldn't have been a problem. (At least that's what I expected)

[AmyCrat]

25. Kerry has no hope for 2008

He will not be the nominee in 2008 -- there is no hope of that if things don't pan out this time around. He'll never get the support needed to run in 2008 -- when he didn't win in '04 (putting fraud aside for a minute) and so many had the "anyone but bush" mentality, he stands no chance against a new repub candidate, and the democratic party will see it that way.

Just my opinion.

[4democracy]

32. That is very true, all the pundits are still trying to figure out where

it all went wrong for the DNC. I wish they would visit DU, we could show them exactly what went wrong, namely letting the fox guard the hen house through Diebold and Co.

[angrydemocrat]

36. Well I respectfully disagree with you on that

The reason I say this is because first off Kerry isn't ignoring anything. He knows what he is doing and if there is anyway this election can be overturned it will be. Kerry also is not blind to all the fraud but he was a attorney himself and knows that in order to prove fraud and make the one's committing it have to pull time behind bars he has to evidence that proves this beyond a reasonable doubt in the court of law. It is finding that kind of proof that makes a difference. Knowing the crime was committed is one thing proving how and who done it is another. If anyone knows what they are doing in situations like this it is Kerry. He has had plenty of experience and success at it. Even since he has been in the senate. Kerry was as much screwed in all of this as we were. I truly believe Kerry won this election are we going to be able to prove it? I don't know I can only hope just like the others. Does Kerry believe he won? Sure he does or he wouldn't have lawyers working on this, he wouldn't put out the video to all his supporters talking about voting problems, and now joined the recount in Ohio. I also believe he has been working on this from the get go but didn't want to go public with it due to the repukes and media trying to spin this and getting in the way of the democrats and glibs efforts while the repukes are trying to make sure cover there tracks on all this. There are thousands on top of thousands Kerry supporters that understand what Kerry is doing and they have not turned on Kerry for approaching things the way he has. Is aggravating and nerve racking sure it is but do you think it is any less so for Kerry. I don't think so. Yes, Kerry conceded but people know that is not legally binding and Kerry can unconcede at anytime. And if they can prove he won he will. That in no way is saying he didn't win or that Kerry doesn't believe he won. Kerry had reasons for conceding when he did. First off he knew this was going to take more than a few days to clear up. He is like us he can't say for sure how long this is going to take but he wants to get it done as much as anyone else. When he found out what the chance's were of him winning with the provisional ballots alone he knew they were going to have to look into this alot closer and find out exactly what happen and where so he went ahead and conceded. Kerry knew this would not stop the remaining votes from being counted and they could immediatly get started finding out how all of this happen. And he has been doing that. And if you remember the media had already started their crap along with repukes about him conceding because he lost. They were in a hurry for their dumba$$ party. Kerry was also smart enough to know if he hadn't handled it the way he did the media and the repukes would have a field day with this. The television screens would have been full of repukes screaming about how democrats were sore losers, this just proves once again democrats are sore losers that will stop at nothing to get attention, here we are in the middle of a war and democrats are such sore losers they would rather try to hold up a election that they have clearly lost instead of moving on so we can worry about more important issues like our troops that are fighting for this country, democrats are such sore losers they will stop at nothing to degrade this president and put the Americans security and our troops security at risk, ect. Yes Gore didn't concede like Kerry did but Gore wasn't fighting these a$$holes in the middle of a war either. That does make a difference. So by doing it the way Kerry did all it has done is put a halt to all of the media's and the repukes crap. It has not put a stop to counting votes or any investigations that are all going full steam. Was Kerry only worried about himself when he done this? I don't think so because first off Kerry realizes their are more democrats than just him and had he not done it the way he did it could have major backlash effects on all democrats and especially at a time democrats had already suffered a big loss in the 2004 elections and they need to be stronger than ever in the 2006 election not labeled as a bunch of sore losers that put the troops and the security of this country at risk for personal gain. And I'm sure he had plenty of other democrats that pushed this issue. So to say the least the man is doing what he can to get all of this done for all of us he hasn't quit fighting yet. Next you are right about all the ABB voters in the beginning but while working on the campaign if there is one thing I learn that alot of these ABB voters got to know Kerry as the campaign went along, met him at rallies, ect. but once they met him and found out what he stood for and what kind of man he really was alot of these ABB voters really came to love Kerry and many have said they would support him and help out his campaign again. Also there are many Kerry supporters out there that are ready to do it all over again they have several blogs like independents for Kerry, a blog that Dick Bell has started up (Bell is the man that help run and keep up the blog at the K/E camp website) any many others not counting his supporters here at DU. So to say he will not get enough support I think is wrong. And regardless of what the democratic party has to say if he decides run he can and will if that is what he chose to do although I feel they will support him. Regardless of the outcome of this election people that have doubts about him running and having a chance need to remember Kerry got more votes than any other canidate in a presidental election other than Chimp(and we all know how he got as many as he did it's just proving it). Kerry come very close to beating a incumbent president in war time which is almost unheard of (Actually he won but again it proving it). In past elections when this country was at war the incumbent usually wins over whelminly by double digits and that was by far the case here. If this election is not overturned this is one time the incumbent canidate during a war time election barely won even with all the cheating and dirty tricks. Another thing that will have alot to do with Kerry's chance's in 2008 will depend on what he does in the senate. He know's the election process is a sham and has said that it is unacceptable and that he would fight to fix it. Anyways if he has a strong performace and really fights for what he has promised to and holding Bush and his croanies feet to the fire he will only up his chance's in 2008. It is way to early to through the man to the wolves and count him out.

[genieroze]

26. I sort of thought that

As a matter of fact, I wondered why anyone would want to inherit the mess Bushco made. I would take a VERY VERY strong person to clean up this mess. As the saying goes, you gotta start somewhere, now would be a good time. :shrug:

[mattclearing]

28. Yeah, unless...

Someone nukes a city and Bush has to declare martial law for the good of the country. Welcome the Emperor.

Any talk of '08 is premature.

[genius]

29. That looks like Kerry's reasoning. Jackson had to push him into

even participating in the recount. Kerry clearly doesn't want the job.

[AntiFascist]

31. Here's another theory which freepers might pay attention to....

Republicans want Bush to remain in office just long enough to drop the value of the US dollar to the point where exports begin to pick up (assuming China's Yuan being tied to the dollar is not an overriding factor) and then right before the run on the US banks begins, impeachment proceedings begin.