Crossfire covering the recount

[YellowDoginthehouse]

I got this in the mail:


"Plus, some lawyers from the Kerry campaign are joining the fight for a full recount in Ohio. Is there any possibility that the outcome could change? Are they wasting their time and taxpayers money or are they just fulfilling Kerry's promise to have every vote count?

Join Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala for Crossfire, 4:30 p.m. Eastern, 1:30 p.m. Pacific - live from the George Washington University. Teamed up with Judy Woodruff’s Inside Politics, we promise to give you the best of politics anywhere."

[Patsy Stone]

1. And the spin begins...

I'm dizzy already, and it didn't even air yet.

[Straight Shooter]

64. spin = damage control

The media and the Repubs are following their damage control agenda.

We don't need a presidential yacht, which cost what, $2 million? There's your waste of taxpayers' money. Needless to mention $5 billion monthly in Iraq.

Frame it as "damage control" and watch them sputter.

[Patsy Stone]

66. Yepper...

Democracy is frickin' expensive!

I don't know if I said this to you or someone else, but you know when you see the supporting players warming up, it's only a matter of time until the message is fully formed and becomes bulleted talking points.

That Murdoch-y woman on Harball last night was repugnant...Get over it indeed. Count my damn vote and prove to me it was counted.

That's the message to get out.

[SueZhope]

2. GREAT THANKS

will be watching

[progressiveBadger]

3. How does this waste taxpayer's money?

I thought a recount is payed for by contributions or privately.

[googly]

56. It's more complicated than that...

The bill charged to requesting candidates is based on current
law on books, which by the way is several years old. Actual
cost of recount will be much higher and the difference will be
charged to the taxpayers.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

4. About the bloggers

Crossfire will wake them up into spin mode, so look out.

[cindyw]

5. If we spend taxpayers money and it uncovers fraud or even mistakes, then

Blackwell wasted taxpayers money during the first count. Not us.

[Alizaryn]

6. NOT EXECUTING THE ELECTION WITH ENOUGH

INTEGRITY to allow each voter to even be SEMI-comfortable that their vote counted ACCURATELY is what is costing the tax payers (Of which we are a part of) money.

[ReneB]

7. crossfire is on cnn or?

[Alizaryn]

9. cnn

[Alizaryn]

8. I heard a short leader on CNN or MSNBC not only saying that

Kerry's lawyers are joining the fight but that it was Kerry's PERSONAL decision that they do so. (I do not know if it was in regards to a full Ohio recount or the county trying to block one.)

[jamboi]

14. Sounds encouraging

[Ducks In A Row]

10. we're spending BILLIONS in iraq, and now they're concerned about waste?

[Patsy Stone]

11. Better or Worse?

TODAY'S GUESTS:

Ken Blackwell - R-Ohio Secretary of State
Andrew Cohen - author and journalist
Joel Mowbray - syndicated columnist

Katherine hits the stage...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/crossfire/index.html

[sabra]

12. Hope he get's drilled... n/t

[Poiuyt]

15. Who are Andrew Cohen and Joel Mowbray?

[Patsy Stone]

16. Andrew - Spiritual Enlightenment

Joel Mowbry -- Conservative columnist.

[Vidar]

13. Boy, there's real news coverage--the shouting, pompous ass ahow.

[seito]

17. Too bad we can sneak Jon Stewart in...n/t

[Im with Rosey]

18. It would be really cool

if there were some DU'ers in the live audience for Crossfire... I'm in Calif. but wish I was there. A little shake up in the group wouldn't be bad, it's not Jon Stewart but it could get LOUD!

[seito]

19. Hmmm..... civil disobedience

in the belly of the beast. I like that :evilgrin:

[lwesty]

20. Is it live

or taped. We could flood the show with factual e-mails...nothing unsubstantiated.

[On Par]

32. The Question That Begs To Be Answered.....

..is "How can Blackwell be Co-Chairman for the Bush Campaign in Ohio and be the sole arbitrator of the vote counting, as well as the rules and regulation changes which he imposed prior to the election?" He can say all he wants that county chairs were for Bush or Kerry, but they didn't change any rules and regulations for voting!

This is like having the home plate umpire of the World Series owning one of the teams!

OP

[Blue in the face]

21. kick

[Quakerfriend]

23. Tax payers $ ??

Let's talk about the billions they have spent (of our money) to help their friends Deibold et al. become entrenched in every state!

[Patsy Stone]

22. Is this on soon?

Please keep us posted someone. Thx!

[tbuddha]

24. See? It continues to bubble into the MSM

As laughable as Crossfire is...it IS on CNN

[paula777]

25. Watching Crossfire makes me want to commit suicide

so can someone please do a summary of what was said on the show? Thanks

[Alizaryn]

27. LOL.. I will try if I don't throw something thought the TV at Tucker

What an obnoxious human.

[SueZhope]

30. I was thinking the same thing ..a pie

I wanted to through a Pie at that Tucker

[shakerbaker]

28. Valium might help???

Please share?

[paula777]

37. I prefer xanax and a gun (kidding ... about the gun)

[Alizaryn]

39. Not much that has not been spewed already

Restated all is fine in Ohio, said Jackson had ADD, defended himself re the conflict of interest issue with the recount by saying he will not be involved directly so will not step out of it. You seriously saved yourself a headache.

[skids]

26. How much money has the U.S. spent on the Ukraine election?

I imagine we have done something over there related to the election (and here I do not mean the fomentation operations, but something done as a response to the protests).

Throwing that number in their face might help.

[zann725]

65. I read somewhere that U.S. invested $14 Million in Ukraine election

so I can see why they'd want to 'budget cut' here at home in a Democracy where fair elections are a 'given.' ?????:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[wicket]

33. I hope you realize

That you are about to be tombstoned. Sod off asshole.

:grr:

[RevCheesehead]

59. Gee, that was fast!

Nice job, wicket! Are you psychic?

[wicket]

62. heh

Not psychic, the mods are just really good at weeding out the trolls heheheheh ;)

[skids]

34. By embezzling.

Bush stole the election through lots of little fraud operations. Each one adding a little bit here, and a little bit there.

You say that doing this would require a huge conspiracy. That's just not true. All you need to do is gradually, over the course of decades, promote people to run the elections who you know and trust to do everything in their power to bring you votes, and who you know are crafty and good at doing things without getting caught.

There's no command center for vote stealing. There's no central coordinator. The only good that would do is for the other side, by providing a link back to the candidate. It's done because, by and large, politicians are an unethical bunch who stick together like glue. Especially the ones on the right.

This time though, it looks like there is the possibility that Bush (that is to say, Rove) got desperate. They knew that their rag-tag collection plate of stolen votes might not go all the way for them this time, so they did something big, systematic, and maybe, in the end, fatally stupid. We'll see how the Five Star story pans out... any raod can end up being a dead end if a tree falls across it. But in the meantime, we are GOING to go after the "little guy" in the vote stealing network, and we are going to put him out of office, and if possible, in jail.

[wicket]

38. You are probably wasting your time

He admits he voted for Bush twice. :eyes:

[skids]

46. No, definitely not.

There are people here that needed to hear that as well.

Not everyone on DU has the picture straight. There are a lot of great people here, but the occasional reality check still needs to be issued to some.

Plus, the one piece of news that I do take at face value coming out of the news coverages of Bush's counterfeit mandate is that the conservative "back yard" will respond better to us if we respond better to them. Take the time to calmly explain, instead of yelling. It isn't that much time, and it isn't wasted.

[wicket]

51. You're right

You're right skids, thank-you for taking the time, you have much more patience than I! ;)

[smartvoter]

40. You have more patience than I do. I ignored the post.

[Alizaryn]

41. I WAS going to respond to him but figured he could do his own

research to gather the information we have had to sift through to arrive at the conclusion that there is a problem on his own.

[Name removed]

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[skids]

48. Again, you are overestimating...

... the level of organization involved in this.

It isn't an organized effort at all. That's why it is hit or miss.

And, I'm sure that Democrats do it to, to some extent. However the right has done it far too long and too well for us to be able to ignore anymore. Not that any citizen should have ignored it, from either party, in the first place.

If we had been on the ball as an electorate over the last half decade, we'd all be voting ranked-order by now. Just the fact that we are not is a complete giveaway to what is going on here.

[Catherine Vincent]

49. I thought I told you to get the fuck out of here?

NOW!

[wicket]

52. LOL!!!!

:D

[googly]

58. I admire your level headedness and rational thinking....

<sarcasm off> I think he made some good points, and I for one
do not want to stick my head in sand and convince myself that
Boosh won by fraud. If that is all we have to attract votes in
future, I am afraid our party will keep shrinkingin future.

Every remedial action begins by first admitting there is some
thing wrong and we need to correct it. That applies whether you
have a gambling problem, drinking problem, eating problem, or
election losing problem.

I am hoping and praying the next candidate we field will have
positions on issues similar to Bill Clinton. Never ignore success.

[Peter Frank]

50. 'Is there any Republican, at anytime, who has won fair and square...'

Not with Bush around. He plays a nasty brand of politics -- ask John McCain, who was slimed out of the 2000 nomination.

[Helga Scow Stern]

57. I appreciate you saying that.

In a world where the truth is constantly spun away as soon as it happens, it is damned important for us to keep saying it. Over and over. So we all understand it and believe it against all of the propaganda against it. And that's one reason dissent and even Freeps are good.They only make us stronger!

[librechik]

36. get bent

too late, you already skew the facts

[Peter Frank]

43. Please quit spamming the same text into different threads...

I already answered this question for you here -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x98000#98379


I repeat:

"This issue has nothing to do with party affiliation. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and see for yourself -- the nature of the irregularities & how the machines could have been hacked via modem. ...And pay close attention to the physical evidence of outright fraud in Volusia County, Fla."

[wicket]

44. He's a Bush voter

So it goes without saying that he's probably not the brightest bulb :D

[SueZhope]

47. Bush voters?

I thought Bush voters are not allowed in this group?
Its in the rules correct?

[myschkin]

54. wrong or right?

Dear Riceman, please inform you about the Florida 2000-Election. Gore HAD more votes, but the court stopped the recount. And "dare" to give you Fahrenheit 9/11... ;-)

It's curious that all the big irregularities were going in favour of Georgie...

By the way, the manner the Republicans (Rove...) are fighting in each election campaign is below every moral value... Speaking of Stalin, Hitler etc. - the common thing is that every dictator tried to make the fears of the people bigger. This is just primitive and Bush had no fantasy at all (speaking of lousy candidates).

So, that's the bad taste we have in mouth when we talking of Republicans (or neo-conservative Republicans).

They believe in aggression, not understanding - and they GET aggression (of other countries people). They believe the strongest will survive, and forget all rules beside that. And that's why we think fraud is very possible.

If speaking of moral values, this sounds just hollow out of their mouths... If you really believe in moral and JESUS CHRIST, then come on our side. Here you find the values of Jesus, like helping the poor and week... IGNORANCE is a sin - and this president is one of the biggest sinners.

[bearfan454]

55. Enjoy your stay

When you said "C'mon people, you're hurting your party" you told on yourself. bye.

[dzika]

31. Blackwell just said that Jackson has ADD

What an ass.

[SueZhope]

35. and Blackwell

That jackson was not getting enough attention....so he had ADD

He also went of into all kinds of BS about the Dem's who count the votes
not him.....diversion from the bigger problem

The same BS he said on KO show in just a shorter clip.....

[shuffnew]

42. Judy Woodruff? Oh please...

her promises are worthless... she is Bush lush! You can't believe anything she has to say. Her agenda is FOR the Bushies (always)! She's likely been bought a long time ago. They just want Blackwell there to use slander versus valid context.

[henslee]

53. Just found out my mom went to college with Judy... Said she was a hottie.

[paula777]

60. The bitch chokes all the time

Literally, she starts choking and they have to cut to commercial and then some other talking head has to take over for her after the break. I've seen this happen at least a dozen times with her. It's crazy ... the bitch needs to learn to swallow or something

[Catherine Vincent]

61. LOL!

[shuffnew]

63. She needs to get off the air and find an isolated job instead... (n/t)