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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:51 PM
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GOP Attorney: "...there’s evidence of voting irregularities and fraud. "
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou041201_mh_heflinvo.1f750b4.html

Recount shows Vo beat Heflin by 33 votes

03:18 PM CST on Wednesday, December 1, 2004

Associated Press


HOUSTON -- A recount shows longtime GOP Texas House member Talmadge
Heflin of Houston still lost to Democrat Hubert Vo.

Harris County election officials Wednesday reported their recount of
more than 40,000 votes is finished and Vo is the winner by 33 votes.

Vo had a 32-vote edge after the original count of the November 2 alloting.

County Clerk Beverly Kaufman says the difference was a mail-in
ballot for Vo that was faintly marked and not picked up by scanners.

That ballot was tallied during this week’s recount.

Vo’s attorney Larry Veselka say this election is over.

But Heflin attorney Andy Taylor says his client is the true victor
and that will be proved if the legality of the votes counted is
taken up by the Texas House.

Taylor has claimed there’s evidence of voting irregularities and fraud.



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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:54 PM
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1. so do another recount, and we can point to it to shut the gop up
in washington state at least
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:54 PM
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2. F*ck Heflin and the Texas Repugs.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:55 PM
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3. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:57 PM
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4. I'm sure the Texas press is telling Heflin it's over, GET OVER IT...right?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:37 PM
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21. Texas news...
Hell, we're lucky Texans were told that there was anyone besides shrub was on the presidential ballot, never mind anything bad about any Texas repub fraud!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:57 PM
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5. Vo picks up 1 vote on the recount?
Sounds pretty accurate to me. Must be tough for a Republican to lose in Texas.

Or maybe Taylor knows that the planned result didn't match with the actual. That is probably the Republican definition for "voting fraud".
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:00 PM
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8. "Planned result didn't match with the actual," as definition of fraud?
You mean "Paid-for result didn't match with the actual," right? ;)
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:35 PM
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20. Tell it to the "techs"...
With all the padding reports coming out in Texas, California, etc...maybe he needs to go get pissed at THEM for not doing their "job" instead of whining to us?
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:19 PM
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12. The room was tense
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 07:20 PM by ashling
Maybe he thought he had a good reason to know where all the cards were.

The newcomer slowly turned over his four aces and raked in the pot.

"You dirty cheat," Heflin growled as he drew his sidearm.

No way you could have four aces. - I' still got got two aces up my sleeve."


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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:26 PM
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14. Yes indeed...
That pretty much sums up his indignity over losing.. :)

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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:59 PM
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6. I guess Karl Rove doesn't like all Republicans, this guy must have
crossed Rove somewhere down the line, maybe when the shrub was Gov.?
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:00 PM
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7. If the Texas House picks this up, we gain legitimacy.
This will be interesting to watch.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:03 PM
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9. Just watch this guy fight and reflect on just how much harder...
...we all should be fighting, because, we are actually trying to save our franchise;

we are actually defending those who were forgotten by the entire US Senate on 6 Jan 2001;

and, who will once again be forgotten, as well as, all of our fellow citizens who have no idea if and how their vote was counted (me being one of them).

We must halt this election.

Peace.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:08 PM
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10. It's time to get over it.
For the good of Texas, move on sir.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:10 PM
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11. Time to change these mugs to say "Republican".
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:49 PM
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23. When the shoe is on the other foot, they don't want to hear that
do they?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:24 PM
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13. Heads up!
Keep an eye in the way the Republicans in Texas will frame this issue.

It can be used against them.

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ahyums Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:28 PM
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15. the hypocrisy as usual with these people is quite astounding
I mean I saw someone today compare Bush to Lincoln, Lincoln! Going on about how Lincoln was derided for believing in freedom , well I'm sorry but Lincoln didn't authorize Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib which are wonderful examples of commitment to freedom, they really are genuinely insane, yet extremely cogent at the same time which in my eyes makes them very dangerous.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:31 PM
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16. Lincoln would be Democrat today (n/t)
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ahyums Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:32 PM
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18. of course he would
goes entirely without saying as far as I'm concerned
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:32 PM
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17. The "T" word...
Saw on the news tonight how one repuke guy said that there needed to be some "transparency" in the UN and that Annan needed to step down..hmmph..I'd say the same holds true for Nov 2nd and shrub, no?
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:35 PM
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19. yeah he also mentioned ENRON too.
what about Cheney' not cooperating with the Enron investigations, what about Haliburton where is the transparency there?
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:56 PM
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22. Woodrow Wilson would be repugnican today
The Dem party was the conservative party in America throughout history, FDR changed that. When Zell Miller says "my father was a democrat, my grandparents were democrats, thats why I'm a democrat." I'm betting they were not liberals.
Woodrow Wilson was a supply sider, was a leader in the KKK, and was a Hitler appeaser.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:02 PM
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24. I think you're thinking about Herbert Hoover, not Woodrow Wilson
Woodie was a world peace guy....founded the League of Nations/UN?
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:42 PM
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26. But,WW wasn't a smirking chimp supporter.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:44 PM by life_long_dem
edit> Not the poster, Smirking_Chimp, but the imposter pResident, smirking chimp.
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:07 PM
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25. Here's another link showing initial report of recount
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:44 PM
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27. dems may have to learn how to better defraud than repulsives
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:44 PM by lonestarnot
Take a little of your own medicine biatch!
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:44 AM
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28. Yeah, well, they seem to have a 20 year head start...
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 12:45 AM by rainbow4321
The repukes ought to be good at it, but maybe practice hasn't made perfect and the 2004 fraud will be proof of that if they get caught this time around.... Found this tidbit while googling with words voter and suppression..very LONG but good article from 2003..scroll down a ways and it starts withthe repub activity in NJ, 1981

http://www.liberalslant.com/pt102103.htm

Presumably most of us had civics classes at some point in our education. Presumably most of us were taught in those classes that the foundation of our democracy, the hallmark of our power as a people is our right to vote. Anyone who has studied the history of oppressed groups knows that one of the most important of all rights sought is suffrage. Without real access to the ballot, everything else is meaningless. Why are we acting as if the reliability of our election results were unimportant?
Maybe it has to do with the assumption of white middle class Americans that our own vote is so sacrosanct that nobody would dare to meddle with it.

It's not so much an "It can't happen here," mindset as "It can't happen to me." For the past two decades, the Republican Party has engaged in the systematic and deliberate suppression of the minority vote. White Americans have clucked their tongues and shaken their heads and then thought about other things, secure in the illusion that because the most blatant examples involved nonwhites, it posed no real danger to the Democratic process as a whole.

And now that illusion may lead us to accept an electronic system of casting and counting votes that would render the kind of "nightmare" Dionne invoked obsolete, not because it would eliminate voter suppression, but because it would make voter suppression practically undetectable. No muss, no fuss, no hanging chads or butterfly ballots and no independent verification, just utter reliance on the competence and good will of the private companies that manufacture voting machines.

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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:01 AM
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29. Kick
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:06 AM
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31. Thanks for kicking, Raul.
This is happening in my city. Maybe we can use this case and see how farit goes for our cause?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:04 AM
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30. Fraud is fraud.
Doesn't matter is it's a Democrat or Republican. If someone wants a hand-recount, it should be done promptly... and every vote should count.
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