Olberman not very supportive tonight

[saracat]

He gave a lot of time to the WSJ Guy who said the recount was worthless and not going to change anything. Then he reported about Bev Harris serving LePore at the retirement dinner and said it was fuel for the tinfoil hat wearers. He didn't refute the WSJ guy at all and said Kerry was keeping his distance and they agreed Kerry was only trying to appease us for 2008. This is NOT good.

[politicasista]

1. This isn't good at all

[jamboi]

21. He really wasn't that supportive. The guy he had on said

that the margin in Ohio was cut to 120,000 by the full count. Of course that is w/o the alleged vote shifting that is the subject of the lawsuit ("prima facie evidence -- see my blog, http://jamboi.mydd.com/ for details), which they think is in the neighborhood of 65,000 and without all the votes that didn't get recorded due to voter intimidation or were thrown out for various reasons, some of them reasonable, some lame. So we'll have to wait for the recount it looks like.

[Patsy Stone]

26. Dude!

He's from the frickin' WALL STREET JOURNAL!
The spin cycle has begun. There is no truth anymore. Kerry = Spinmeisters. Take the red (or is it green?) pill now.

[Chimpanzee]

79. I was just thinking that we might all wake up one day in the Matrix!

[Patsy Stone]

80. I think

I wake up there everyday.

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. Good thing it isn't up to them........

[Ima]

3. I watched it also

It was a letdown for sure.

[Patsy Stone]

4. OK, STOP!

Let's re-group. Bev's moment in the BoE party wasn't great. There was no reason to be that dramatic. BBV and she are very brave, and doing the Lord's work, but that was silly.

KO lead with the story because of Kerry. Kerry = Headlines. Hardball ran with it tonight. News is out, the facts are coming out, and yes, Kerry's involvement is due to all of the things that these guys said it was.

As I posted on another thread, the WSJ guy could have said flip-flop, but used a nice sailing metaphor, and he spewed both party lines: "No change to the outcome," "Wants to support concerned Democrats and make sure the votes are counted."

Did K have to take that shot at Bev? No. Why did he bother to mention it if he was gonna dis her? Maybe to say, "Stop doing shit like that, it makes you look silly and people are watching now."

If it's fair and balanced you want, it's fair and balanced you get. Now that Kerry's involved, the gloves are off. It's full on spin cycle, no more minor league stuff.

I still believe there's a plan, maybe not enough to win Ohio, but still, a bigger plan that may take time. We're gonna go nuts if we spin ourselves.

[SueZhope]

10. keith said that about Bev

for a laugh

[Patsy Stone]

12. ?

whaddaya mean?

[SueZhope]

66. I meant

That Keith was just trying to have a little fun about what Bev did...
He thought it would get some laughs by turning it into a Tin hat event
he should have shared the bigger part of the story about what she is doing and why
not just the way it happened that night......he cherry picked the full story
for some fun. it was not very thoughtful to share the FUN part of the story instead of the
important work she is doing

[Patsy Stone]

72. Gotcha. You're right. :) n/t

[Ducks In A Row]

14. Dissing Bev is something an idiot does

It was great what she did. These election officals are suppressing the vote, LePore being one of the worst. They don't deserve to be honored, they need to be arrest for election fraud.


And all this after fucking Bev over about her interview. Maybe it's time to remind Keith he can't the increased viewership because he's the one reporting the truth.

If he starts backtracking on that, there's no reason to watch him.

[anamandujano]

27. Don't start trashing Keith.

He has his own mind and his own take on things. We don't have a news show, nuf said. While I don't agree with his take on the Bev incident, at this juncture everyone knows that Lepore got served and why.

--go Jessie go--

[Patsy Stone]

29. That was going to be my other point.

He did get the story out. On National news. So, there's that. Also, a lot of happy people in FLA that she done got served too!

[anamandujano]

36. Baby, you got served!

Oh yeah!

--go Jessie go--

[Patsy Stone]

39. LOL

She's a real peach, that one. For her final act, I think she officiated at her own recount. It's good.

[rodeodance]

38. agree---no need to trash Keith

[hoosierblue]

84. Exactly, Keith's doing his job

I don't know how many nights you've been following Keith's news program, but he did the same thing with Blackwell and Zogby. He gives them enough room to answer his questions and doesn't force them to give him the answer he wants. Then the next day he writes what he really thinks in his blog. He's just trying to be a fair newsman.

Take a look at his blog entry for today:

"I don’t know her motivations and I don’t know her bona fides. But I’m afraid at this stage, intentionally or by the simplest of communication failures, she isn’t helping illuminate this issue. And every step that attracts heat but not light is another step towards discrediting the entire process."

All he's saying is that she's not doing all she can to bring the press to this issue. This may not be a criticism, but rather just a reminder to Bev that the press may be helpful in this issue.. Also, Keith's part of the MSM, and I doubt he realizes how much the rest of us distrust the networks.

This is just my take, but I don't think this is where we should focus our energy.

[anamandujano]

89. I agree--skepticism is all important in this game

where discrediting the opposition is one of the main moves of RoveCo.

[Paradise]

31. Agree with you 100%.

"It was great what she did. These election officals are suppressing the vote, LePore being one of the worst. They don't deserve to be honored, they need to be arrest for election fraud."

Can't believe what I'm reading in the rest of this thread :crazy:

[CTD]

51. But that's simply not reality

The kind of thing Bev did only appeals to the extreme 1%, if that. For this to actually gain traction and get anywhere, one needs to play to the mainstream. Not the MSM, but mainstream Dems who care about Democracy and fairness and who can get behind something that sounds plausible and sane. Keith is right that Bev's antics play to the tin foil hat crown and not the folks who matter.

Sorry. But it's the truth.

Keith did MORE to advance the recount cause tonight by dissing Bev than he would have by endorsing her antics.

[life_long_dem]

78. Bev publicly exposed a criminal. I must be one of 1% extremists

that you refer to, but her antics certainly cheered me up. These crooks need to be exposed, how else will Americans know they are being played, unless someone opens their eyes to the deception?

[Clark2008]

20. I agree with you on this one

KO has been and still is the only newsman covering this story thoroughly. He may have taken a little shot at Bev, but she didn't have to grandstand at Teresa LaPore's retirement dinner. She should just keep working hard and let the lawyers handle serving process. Seriously, it didn't get much news coverage, so what good did it do?

Don't get me wrong, I respect all the work Bev has done. She is dotting her "i's" and crossing her "t's" and she needs to continue to do that and let Florida law enforcement serve paperwork.

I don't know if the Ohio recount will change a damn thing, but we have to give it Keith for keeping his eyes on the process of voting: the machine irregularities, the intimidation, the miscounts, the under/over votes, the fact that Diebold supports Bush and Republicans, etc. We need to make sure we follow up on these issues.

[Alizaryn]

32. I agree totally

Bev also needs to get out the info (with our help) that the meeting was described as being a NON private meeting where voting ballot storage would be discussed. They did not KNOW they would be walking into a "retirement" gathering.

Olbermann needs to keep being objective to be heard, thats all anyone can ask for.

[rodeodance]

37. thank you- for your objective reporting -I missed it tonight

[blm]

5. Sorry, but folks here spin that crap against Kerry and it gets picked up

by those monitoring sites like this.

Kerry's people have been very consistent in saying that they were watching for "confirmed" vote fraud before they make a legal move. They're being smart in keeping the temperature down on this while evidence was/is being gathered.

Too many "Kerry mindreaders" here and in the press want to call his decision now as appeasing the wingnuts on the left. Thanks a lot. You just gave them the storyline they'll use to cover over the MORE important story of the NEED for a recount.

[anamandujano]

18. They can make up better stuff in their sleep

and they often do. Kerry deserved the criticism.

--go Jessie go--

[saracat]

35. " I" gave it to them??? I was reporting what Olberman said!

This isn't 'MY" storyline. It was Countdown's. I haven't "spun any crap against Kerry" In fact I'm one of his staunchest supporters. I am offended that you would credit me with initiating this as a "spin" or being a "Kerry mind reader". I have always said "We don't Know what Kerry is doing."

[blm]

85. I know you weren't spinning. I was speaking of those who do

and I'm really pissed about it because I saw this coming. Some had already posted those exact attacks on Kerry here before the press spun it the same way.

[saracat]

87. Oh. Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

I am developing my own rapid response system. I am getting jumped so often but it is usually for defending Kerry!:)

[understandinglife]

82. Good morning blm; and would appreciate it....

....if you would read the following and consider sending it on to Senator Kerry. anamandujano suggested I contact you with the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=101359&mesg_id=101359&page=

and the link to the letter to Senator Kerry is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=101359&mesg_id=101730&page=

Thank you.


"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[Imajika]

6. It's called reality...

Fantasy aside, there are NOT enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win. There just aren't. There is NO proof of voting fraud. None, zilch, zero. All that exists is voting irregularies and errors which are common in every election. An effort to make them less common? Great, any honest person would be for that. But to believe a recount of Ohio is going to turn up anywhere even remotely close to enough votes to change the outcome of the election is absurd and always has been.

Further, what Bev Harris did in Florida was digusting. Olberman knows full that stunts like that do not help even slightly in addressing the problems with our outdated mishmash of a voting system. Interrupting Theresa LePore's farewell party was stupid, mean spirited and bound to turn off local officials in droves.

Yes, I know, the majority on DU probably don't want to hear any of this - but that is just the way it is.

Imajika

[shib]

9. ..

It's pretty rude to ignore and delay complying with a FOIA act request also.

[librechik]

15. Absolute Proof--Nonsense! (from Daily Kos)

snip

"Unquestionably, if actual proof were always required, there would be very few legitimate searches conducted across the country on the part of law enforcement authorities.

The point that should be garnered from the brief recital of law set forth in the previous paragraph is that absolute guarantees of proof are never required in the law before a search of anything can be conducted. Furthermore, under our legal system, this basal or minimum standard of "reasonable suspicion" is quite sufficient in the criminal law arena where rights are more greatly coveted and protected than in the civil law arena in which considerations of recounts would more generally apply. Therefore, a suspicion legitimately based upon any facts and inferences, including hearsay, are enough to base a civil or quasi-civil case (which a recount case is), even if those facts represent only a small percent of actual likelihood or probability, so long and on the condition that it is made in good faith.

Do We Have Sufficient Grounds?

So to all those who are screaming "where is the indisputable facts or truth, because I haven't heard any yet," I say to them, "that at this point in the proceedings, indisputable proof is not required whatsoever."


snip

"Absolute Proof--Nonsense!

So to all those who demand absolute proof, I once
again state that absolute proof of fraud (or a smoking
gun) is not needed at this point in the proceedings.
However, for those who still want to hear about some
quite definitive fraud, please consider the following:

(1) That when voting officials tell the voting public
that they have counted all ballots, when they have in
fact tossed huge batches of ballots in the trash
canisters, then that is actionable fraud.

(2) That when voting officials tell the voting public
that they have counted all ballots, when they have in
fact loaded huge batches of ballots in the back of a
pickup truck that just happens to have a pro-Bush
sticker on it, then that is actionable fraud.

(3) That when voting officials tell the voting public
that they have turned over all official voting
tallies, when they have in fact tossed some official
vote tallies that they said didn't exist into trash
containers, then that is actionable fraud.

(4) That when voting officials state that they have
turned over all official records pursuant to an
appropriate Freedom of Information Request (FOIR),
when they have in fact not done so, then that is
actionable fraud.

(5) That when voting officials secret or destroy
public voting records in order to conceal it from the
public, then that is actionable fraud.

(6) That when voting officials dissemble anything of
significant import concerning an election, then that
is actionable fraud.

(7) That when voting officials intentionally give the
voting public wrong information about who can or
cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable
fraud..."

much more at link
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/30/185532/75

[Ducks In A Row]

19. No, what the election officals pulled is disgusting. Bev is brave and

it's time to stand up to the ones who whore for the bushes and fuck people out of their voice.

[Razorback_Democrat]

24. Thank You!

well said

[Razorback_Democrat]

23. What's your agenda here?

just come on this thread to bring doom and gloom?

not appreciated

[jamboi]

25. Au contraire, the Alliance for Democracy lawyer stated he had prima facie

evidence for voter fraud in Ohio. See http://jamboi.mydd.com/ for more details.

[Patsy Stone]

30. That is correct.

And then there will be new headlines. This was today's bit of the soap opera.

[rodeodance]

48. yes, some fraud--and it should be exposed--but overturning the

election is probably not possible--as much as I hate to say it!!

[Straight Shooter]

57. "It's called reality."

Reality is based on perception.

What I'm reading about "disgusting" and "stunts" and "that is just the way it is" are thinly veiled calls to blend in with a faith-based world where we are to take what's dished out to us with hearty applause, to sit down and shut up, but never ever stand up for ourselves lest we be chastised properly by The Powers That Be.

To hell with that. This is the Democratic Underground, not the Doormat Underground.

[RevCheesehead]

69. DU, not Doormat Underground...

That's a good one! Made me smile!

Maybe slightly change it to "not Doormat Underfoot"?

;)

[bunny planet]

76. Probably not the best way to get the respect Bev deserves, but Theresa

'Madam Butterfly' Lapore has done nothing to earn anyone's respect either. She made it possible for George Bush to steal two elections. There's nothing more mean-spirited than that. Bev was just being eccentric, I agree it doesn't help her image.

[bmoney07]

7. Let them spin all they want

But there a few good people out there are doing their job and that is getting to the bottom of this and remember Ohio is the start.

[Razorback_Democrat]

8. I saw part of it and had to turn it off

I thought Keith was on our side!

I guess that he must be fearful of being labeled a "tinfoil" wearer as he mentions that a lot.

I wonder how much e-mail he's getting from freepers, etc.?

I want to let him know I support his efforts, but after this, that Wall Street Journal thug going on ad infinitum without question.

I just don't know.

[shib]

13. Let him know

Write him an e-mail :P

[SueZhope]

16. For Keith

and the rest of MSM its clearly all about the
$$$$$$

Keith has done a great job of
looking like he gives a hoot.
Tonight was a real turn off

[EST]

70. K.O., hopefully, is not on anyone's "side-"

except for the side of truth, honesty, and the willingness to follow the facts to the source, no matter the adverse consequences. If WE are on the side of truth and Olberman is also, then and only then can we be said to be on the same side.
WSJ opinion page is and has been the "fuck everybody" mouthpiece of the neocon money people and other evil denizens of BFEE>

[KaryninMiami]

11. Maybe we need to lobby Keith to have Bev on the show (finally)

It's time she got her say- enough is enough. How about everyone writing to ask that she be given an spot on the show?

I was especially disappointed that he only had guest representing one side- The Wall Street Journal is not exactly an unbiased source. He should at least have had someone to balance the conversation..

[Patsy Stone]

17. He only has one guest at a time

doesn't like both sides yelling at each other. Like the idea about Bev though, but she needs to keep it wayyy down.

[shraby]

28. By the same token, LaPore needs to fill the

FOI requests. If she gets served with the court notice like she coughed up the FOI requests, Bev was probably right to make sure publicly that LaPore had a court notice coming. Another action that won't go into the memory hole because Bev saw to it that it didn't.

[Patsy Stone]

34. I posted above

now everyone knows she's been served. He ran that story, who else did in the National meeedjia? Bev needn't have been that overt. Hell, no one's heard from her for a while, why the stunt?

[rodeodance]

41. there is was update from bev just last night in this forum

was also on her website I recall someone saying.

[Patsy Stone]

46. Where she told about this. I know.

But I mean in general. Since Volusia she's maintained radio silence for safety or whatever. And then this unfortunate moment in that party. Bleeve me, I'm happy she got served.

[Clark2008]

22. So far he's had Katherine Blackwell on

one night, then Jesse Jackson, now it's the freeper's turn again.

Give him time. Stories this big don't just fall in one's lap, unlike all those reporting movies we see.

It took MONTHS for Watergate to be fully investigated.

[anamandujano]

33. Excellent point!

If he let's each side have a go, more people will be drawn into the debate.

--go Jessie go--

[Patsy Stone]

40. Also there's the fact

that he let Blackwell go on and on the other day and didn't ask questions. And Jesse went on and on. It seems to be his interview style.

[MelissaB]

42. I agree!

That does seem to be his style.

[Clark2008]

65. I think we've all become so used to this "new" reporting

(and I use the word, "reporting," suggestively) where people like Tweety and Insannity and O'Lielly scream over their guests and forget that reporters USED to just ask questions and let people answer them.

Keith's just getting all sides in the debate. That's his job.

And he looks damn good doing it, too. :)

(Had to get in one for his looks, as well as his prowess there! LOL!)

[Patsy Stone]

73. Well...

if we're going there...positively scrumptious. I was trying to remain on the high road, 'til you dragged me into the gutter. :)

[Clark2008]

77. Eat 'im up with a spoon, dat!!

Ahem...

Sorry. This WAS a serious thread.

;)

[Karenca]

47. Exactly. I wouldn't discount Keith

yet.......
I agree with the last post about it being his style...
I believe so far he's helped us more than hurt us.
Please let's see how this plays a littl while longer.

[Patsy Stone]

52. We seem to eat our own PDQ 'round these parts. :)

There's a whole other thread about supporting Bev that's sprung up dissing people who can see there's a way to do things and a way that looks silly.

[Karenca]

53. I agree completely with Pat

Let's not attack ourselves! :))

[Patsy Stone]

58. But aren't we supposed to?

We're Librals after all... :)

[ahyums]

43. to me the issue remains pretty simple really

from what I understand once certification happens there will be least one lawsuit filed which will have quite a lot to it which isn't being spoken about now really. If the many statistical studies made are in any way accurate I think there remains a pretty decent chance of an Ohio recount showing a quite different result. Of course that would be considerably enhanced by it being a hand recount, which I would hope there would be some way of getting.

Frankly considering many of the concerns from the first count reside in machine counting and tabulation I find it incredible that a second count will be made by machine, this it seems to me is pretty much the primary issue right now. The count or at bare minimum a large proportion of the count needs to be a hand count, otherwise how exactly is trust in the electoral system, the key intention for the count restored. I believe when contributions were made, they were made on the implicit understanding that the recount would be a hand count, I really think that should be fought for.

[Patsy Stone]

44. Exactamente! n/t

[anamandujano]

59. this point needs to be out there loud and clear

"The count or at bare minimum a large proportion of the count needs to be a hand count, otherwise how exactly is trust in the electoral system, the key intention for the count restored."

--go Jessie go--

[peacetalksforall]

45. It's best not to elevate expectations - he is not a loner running his show

GE is manipulative. All orders come from top down. KO is ONLY AN EMPLOYEE.

By manipulative, is it not true that:

they have had Duers praising Tweety.
they have Imus saying he was voting for Kerry. His vote, if he did vote for Kerry, was wiped out by his negative and assinine criticisms of Kerry before, during, and after the vote.
now, they've succeeeded in getting DUers praising KO and his MSNBC blog and I say take caution, great caution.

Why would they do this? To pretend that they are non-partisan?

(KO should still be thanked when he is ALLOWED to say what appears to DUers to be the truth).

I have no expectations of RPNs (Republican Corporate Networks) after listening to Carville and Begala. Did anyone hear Begala on Imus? I'm now convinced there are NO so-called Dem employees of RPNs speaking for me across OUR television airwaves (the exception being foreign television news services).

[anamandujano]

54. You speak sooth but

I think Keith's a fighter and working toward the truth.

--go Jessie go--

[Karenca]

67. Agreed KO's working towards the truth and his ratings are up 128%--people

are paying attention---This is what we need!
Thank you Keith!

[Im with Rosey]

56. One of the points to keep in mind

I think that to the average person out there just waiting for their news each night, might think it wasn't sensible to tune in to K.O. if he put positive spin on Bev's adventure. Think about how many people we might lose if he reported how great that was. I can hear the remote switching to FOX now. For him to retain credibility with the people we still have to convince, he had to react the way he did.

[peacetalksforall]

60. You're probably right. It's a more hopeful analysis. So I'll place my

hope with your hope.

[tommcintyre]

49. The publicity was still good.

Of course its not what/how many of us would prefer; but it is increasingly raising awareness/questions in more of the public's mind.

We all desparately want justice. We want this joke of an election to be overturned. But, for many reasons, this may not happen. That certainly would rank among the most unfair (and potentially dangerous) events any of us have ever seen.

But the big "must win" battle is yet to come - serious election reform. Win or lose the 2004 election, any publicity/public awareness that there are problems with our current election system can only help.

If we don't do election reform by 2006, our democracy will be no more:

The problem:
By 2006, there will be:

100% electronic voting (HAVA mandated)

+ no paper trail, etc (the way things are going, unless we make this a grassroots, bipartisan issue)

+ no, or at least delayed exit polls (which can (have?) been tampered with)

= a minimum of five more Dem Senators will lose their seats

= no more filibuster (the last shred of the balance of power)

= no more American Democracy for ANYONE permanently.


The solution (minimum):
- verifiable paper trail

- random vote audits

- open source code

Optional (but highly desirable):

- consistent election rules across all States


THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE - THIS IS A DEMOCRACY SURVIVAL ISSUE!

If this doesn't happen by 2006, money (and corporate power/control) will be the only thing that matters anymore. So even those that voted for Bush had better spread the word before its too late.

Do you think the neocon/ corporate interests will give a damn about what even the religious right thinks anymore? Why would they? NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO VERIFY THE VOTE ANYMORE! No reform candidate will ever be able to change it, since there is no way they can win, no matter how many people actually vote for them.

The neocon/ corporate interests won't need anyone. Only their interests will matter. (Don't forget, Fox really started the "sleaze TV" movement. Money (greed) will always trump "social values" - you can count on that.)

This is why EVERYONE (including conservatives) must fight the battle for the 2004 election now (it's our best chance to draw attention to the issue). Or no one will pay attention to what needs to be done BEFORE the 2006 election.


<This message was written by a "true independent", that has supported Independents, Democrats AND Republicans over the years; and wants a viable, multi-party system to continue.>

[Stand and Fight]

50. Yeah, sometimes even heroes don't fall in line.

Yes, Bev's actions were dramatic, but they were also courageous -- especially given LaPore's history with litigation. Maybe it was a bit rash, but I will say this for the old girl -- she's got a hell of a lot more heart than those just sitting on their butts criticizing her actions with their words. Nothing so bad as a Monday morning quarterback. So, what she served a corrupt election official who was having a farewell party in a different county! Big fucking deal -- her own people voted her ass out because she's a lousy no good piece of shit public-servant who only serves her own self-interest.

And as for Keith Olbermann bringing it up on HIS show, more power to him. Had it been O'Reilly it would have been Fox's brand of "fair and balanced" -- not Keith's version. People who are getting so riled up about him having come out and given an opinion on what was a very rash act doesn't mean he's gone against his audience. He simply stated a matter of fact, and he was no where as scathing as some of the posters on here who turned against Bev Harris in their words.

Both Keith Olbermann and Bev Harris are doing a lot for this country in the interest of this election and subsequent reform. A whole helluva lot more than Fox, CNN or any of the other so-called traditional voices of the public. There are a lot of people working tirelessly in the aftermath of this election farce -- Jesse Jackson, the Libertarian and Green Parties, the people who are demonstrating, writing letters, lobbying their representatives.... Let's not turn into carnivorous beasts and begin to eat our own in a panic. We need to remain united with each other, with those out their taking public stances, and together we will effect change in this country. We should show a fair amount of reservation when it comes to criticizing any of their efforts when they're fighting for America and the preservation of her democracy.

'Nuff said.

[Patsy Stone]

55. Funny I just said that

in a lot fewer words. :) No, I'm kidding.

Bev and BBV are great. And who DOESN'T want to see Butterfly LePore served? I don't know if you read my post above, but I like to see sign in things (real or imagined) and I think it was a message to us to get serious. "Check facts, behave appropriately, people are WATCHING you. And no more silly stunts!"

just my .02

[anamandujano]

61. It may have been a stunt, but it was not silly.

Bev knows what she's doing.

--go Jessie go--

[Patsy Stone]

64. Not silly in reality

Silly looking most people watching MSNBC. She is brave, it was good.

[tommcintyre]

62. HERE HERE! (as the Brits woud say) ;+}

Silly or not, if Bev got her face on the other channels like this right now, many people would be saying: "what? this isn't over yet? what's going on?

At this point, that would be waaay more than we have right now, since 80% of the public thinks the election went "just fine".If they continue to think this, our Democracy is doomed for good in just two years (see my post above.)

[jagsd01]

63. WSJ guy

The WSJ guy is John Fund, a right wing asshole, who has a been a problem...BFD...

[Patsy Stone]

74. No, wrong guy. n/t

[mirrera]

68. Hope this has nothing to do with plane crash!

When I saw that his boss's plane had crashed, I swear to God, the first thought I had was that they were punishing him for letting Kieth go on about fraud. I know that is probably crazy, but crashes certainly are a tool used in the past. I told myself I was not going to mention it unless it looked like Kieth was backing off of the truth. I didn't see this show (I can't get cable), so I mostly read his blog. I hope this wasn't a trend. I have posted before that in an interview with Boston.com he kind of dissed the net by saying it was like "telephone". So he is probably just being "balanced", and for us it is hard because we KNOW this election was stolen, we are just trying to figure out exactly how, and trying to find the proof. I knew once the MSM got involved it was going to be bitter sweet. Now we will have to watch them again, and be shouting at the TV in useless tirades.

[Karenca]

71. Keith is a hero....the one lone journalist reporting this fiasco

give him a break...Remember how panicked we all became when we thought he was fired?-------he's done more good than harm, people are paying attention, his ratings are up 128%.
Just think back 2 or 3 weeks ago, when we didn't have Keith.
I'm going to write him a note of THANKS!

[propagandafreegal]

75. Well, Kerry can kiss my *** in 2008

He better claim the presidency he won....

[kitp]

81. did you all miss it?

The WORST thing KO said was that a recount without a victory is useless "as Al Gore found out in 2000".

Whatever else you think about tonight's show, that statement has to be challanged. Gore didn't get a recount and KO should apologize for his error.

I knew the WSJ dude was useless as the very first words out of his mouth were the standard repub spin on this election "it won't change the outcome". I didn't expect anything from him after that and actually he only made me puke one or two times.

KO's stuff on Bev was...whatever...I don't quite get Bev's tactics. Personally, I thought it was theater and unwarranted, but that's just me. It's a personal attack and might come back to haunt us, probably not, but it doesn't really help us.

But the statement about Gore and the recount...man, we must ALL write KO and tell him that he's slipping.

[AntiFascist]

83. It's too bad....

KO only seems concerned about who gets elected. Some of us are more concerned about the future of democracy itself. We'd like to stop this NOW before it gets even more out of hand.

[atim]

86. Did olberman express any concern on why Kerry seem so ready to concede?

I have posted 10 times still do not have right to post yet!

Here I am reposting the excerpt in another great site www.politicalsoundoff.com

Kerry Camp does nothing to help the recounts!

"If you'd been reading news on the net before the election, you'd have known that some people were claiming Kerry was throwing the election all the way. That in fact, Bush and Kerry are distant cousins, and both members of the 'frat' Skull and Bones at Yale. (1) Think, is it just an amazing coincidence that the two main candidates were related, multi-millionaire boners? Is it possible for you to consider that, perhaps there really is an elite group of families running the country? Some call it the New World Order, it's like the Mafia x 1000, without the accents.


Understandably most Americans are reluctant to think that organized crime has taken over our government, that both candidates were puppets for evil behind the scenes masters. But folks, what if its true? Isn't it worth looking at?"

Full article: http://www.politicalsoundoff.com/home/kerry-camp-does-n...

Bush and Kerry are 9th cousins and related to British royal family.
I checked this in Ancestry.com. It is not a distortion to say both the government and media are actually front for corporate elite...the story is intimately related to growth of Banking and paper money from early clonnial/captalist expansion from Amsterdam to British East India company and Bank of Rome and Bank of England..a great revision of history and poltical-enonomy is needed.

[saracat]

88. This is just silly. And really stretching a point.

Kerry and Bush are related as much as most of us are related. Try six degrees of seperation. Guess what I traced myself on one of those sites and Kerry and Bush are both my sixth cousins.Maybe I plotted to overthrow the election!

[Skinner]

90. Continue discussion here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x104119