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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:34 PM
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Warning, will make you mad: Florida newspaper finds no evidence...
Florida newspaper finds no evidence of election fraud
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002102809_florida28.html
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LAKE BUTLER, Fla. — Since President Bush captured Florida and the White House again, critics have fixed their sights on northern pockets of the Sunshine State and asked: How did the Republicans win so heavily in counties stocked with Democrats?

Some wondered whether Florida's tally was corrupt, with one Internet site writing: "George W. Bush's vote tallies, especially in the key state of Florida, are so statistically stunning that they border on the unbelievable."

The Miami Herald last week went to see for itself whether Bush's steamroll through north Florida was legitimate. Picking three counties that fit the conspiracy-theory profile — staunchly Democratic by registration, whoppingly GOP by voting — two reporters counted more than 17,000 ballots over three days.

The conclusion: no conspiracy.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:38 PM
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1. Why would this make anyone mad? Why wouldn't people expect
this kind of marginalization?
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:40 PM
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2. well 3 counties, one that was only 60% counted, that settles it
3 counties out of the thousands throughout the country, no problem

I guess I'll go blow my brains out now


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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:24 AM
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7. Miami Herald hand count of 3 counties- big Kerry gain and possible win
Miami Herald hand recount of 3 Florida counties indicates signficant Kerry gain and possible Kerry win in Florida

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20021...
Here are the tallies for Union County:
Bush original: 3396 Bush hand count: 3393 (-3)
Kerry original: 1251 Kerry hand count: 1272 (+21)
Net change: Kerry +24

Here are the tallies for Lafayette County:
Bush original: 2460 Bush hand count: 2452 (-8)
Kerry original: 845 Kerry hand count: 848 (+3)
Net change: Kerry +11
It's a bit more complicated for the third county they looked at, Suwannee County, because they only report the totals for a hand
count of "almost 60%" of the ballots. Here is the result of their 60% hand count:
Bush 60% hand count: 6140 Kerry 60% hand count: 2984
Which gives us the following tally for Suwannee County:
Bush original: 11153 Extrapolation of Bush 100% hand count: 10549
Kerry original: 4522 Extrapolation of Kerry 100% hand count: 5126
Net change: Kerry +1208
In the original count, 71.2% of the votes cast for Bush or Kerry (n=15675) went to Bush. In the hand count, this drops to 67.3%. That
is a significant drop. Let's translate that into numbers. If you take the percentages from the hand count and extrapolate, here's
what you get:
Bush = 15675 x .673 = 10549 (loss of 604)
Kerry = 15675 x .327 = 5126 (gain of 604)
Net change: Kerry +1208

A switch of 1208 votes in a county with less than 16K votes cast is obviously huge. Which begs the question...why did they stop
counting in Suwannee County when their tabulation of 60% of the ballots deviated so much from the original total? And without actually counting those remaining ballots, how can they
possibly report that nothing is amiss when the data they have so far suggests a possible problem?

What I see is a possible gain of 1243 votes for Kerry from three small counties in which only 23627 ballots were cast. That
represents about 0.3% of the ballots cast for Bush and Kerry statewide. If Kerry gained votes at the same rate statewide, he picks up nearly 400,000 votes and wins Florida.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:52 PM
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3. The conclusion: no conspiracy.!!!
Yeah, and I could count the votes cast by the Bush family and say that if Kerry got no votes that there was no conspiracy if he didn't get any in the whole USA.
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WiseFawn Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:53 PM
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4. hmmm
I wonder if there are any free press like papers there that would go do some more counting?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:02 PM
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5. Gee, what a shock - count almost 3 whole counties and accept
that as conclusive proof.

You may want to read the discussion on this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x91921
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:07 PM
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6. Well, I'm convinced.. No fraud. The media whores said so... n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:32 AM
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8. Actually, if they proved anything
they proved that all these wonderful electronic voting machines can't even add 1 + 1 and get it right.

Funny thing though, all of the errors in the counts seems to favor Bush? Gee, what a coincidence.






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