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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:38 PM Original message |
Poll question: Religion in the Public Square |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. What if it was a Univeraslist church? |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. It depends. How are applicants selected? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Depends on if the display was religious in nature |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. But not just a generic christmas display? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Depends on what you mean by "generic" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. A christmas tree with a little card saying "First Baptist" |
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Lowell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. You said it was a townhall window box |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Could go either way. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. As for two it would depend on what the constitutes the |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. No we don't. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Ah - the "I'm right, you're wrong" card. Well played. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It's just that I can't believe you honestly think that |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Everytime I have this discussion |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I guess that's why the court rejected it too right? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You should keep in mind rule 3 |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Cases like this happen all the time |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That's my understanding of how it works as well |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. You can't keep the church out. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Then you can't keep out the Wiccans either |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Some are already howling, it's already fun to watch |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. That is absolutely correct. And that is the way it should be. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. You forgot to read the whole ammendment! |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. don't need to - the window box is a public forum and therefor |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 07:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Tell it to the judge. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. This has been told to the judge - It is |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. It completely depends on one factor: is the government involved in any way? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Hmmmmmmm |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. It depends on whether any and all groups can apply |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. What if so many groups apply that some have to be turned down? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. That is a very real problem |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Random drawing solves the problem very easily. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Ha! Yeah, right. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Because like any other group religious groups are protected |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Religious groups are unique. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. So? That matters under other fact patterns but not this set. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. It matters quite a bit, actually. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. This is a free speech issue. The town government has |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Think of it as a public notice board |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. agreed. However it is more then a public notice board as |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yep |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. To Bad. But so true. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Christians are not the only who can become insensed. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. True but its typically for different reasons |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I do not think that this atitude is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Public forum? Puh-lease. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The government can't denigrate religion. If it is going to provide |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Denigrate? |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Definition two fits your position very well. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Sorry, I don't agree. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. There is more to the first amendment then the religion clauses. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Think about this for a moment. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-23-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. This is a different issue. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-24-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. That's too bad. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. This is a freedom of speech issue. Having offered the space to |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. If the "Good News Clubs" were relevant here, you'd have a great point. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Good News Club is relevant to the discussion. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Nope, Good News Club not the same. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. Depends. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
52. What about the KKK or the white supremacists....should they be allowed to put stuff in the public |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-23-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Right - there is nothing like getting down on their level. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-24-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Interesting that you should mention the KKK |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Good for the Board of Supervisors |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. Memory of a failed experiment in the public square |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-24-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Why am I not surprised? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
60. So its a one-sided display?? |
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