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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 07:25 PM Original message |
Scientific Fundamentalism |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Has the potential to be good. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. ...starting out with a pre-ordained conclusion in mind isn't "scientific" |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. But you aren't elucidating anything, either |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Let the navel gazing begin ! nt |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. Without a specific definition of terms, there can be no such thing |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. The people I've spoken to who used that term were all protesting |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. I do not consider myself "anti-scientific" nor am I theologically a "fundamentalist" |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Something close...scientists refer to entrained belief in a doctrine as dogmatism |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. The "ur cell" is really not a problem for several reasons: |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Yes, we are quite aware that things haven't always been as they are |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. So we agree "scientific fundamentalism" is incompatible with scientific investigation |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. have you checked wiki |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The second link calls the refusal to consider intelligent design "scientific fundamentalism." |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. a couple of things on that |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. ID is old, debunked, arguments wrapped up in new packaging |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. "waste time on hypotheses that cannot go anywhere" |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I for one have never heard of Oparin |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. I read that they have done it in the wild too - lions and tigers |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. You have obviously read little RECENT stuff on the origin of life. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Since Oparin was a Russian scientist, nobody expects to duplicate him in any lab |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
52. we take things for granted from authority every day. It's a strength of being human, the sharing of |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. Red herring |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Oh, I agree with you. I was just trying to figure out whether this whole |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. It's all about trying to paint scientists with a false brush |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. And thanks for the welcome, BTW |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Ugh, talk about strawmen. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think its code for "strict secularist" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. "Scientific Fundimentalism"or "Scientism" are Postmodernist talking points. |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Fun experiment to try on a Postmodernist |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. LOL!!! |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Intelligent falling? n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. GREAT summary. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Thanks! |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Great post. The attack on science isn't limited to evolution |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Very true. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. The is my greatest fear regarding postmodernism. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. It is just a senseless insult, it has no meaning. |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-26-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Only a Zappa fan... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Really no such thing, IMO. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. What I think is interesting is that evolution is one of the STRONGEST theories we have in science. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. But it's still funny, nonetheless |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. That is where the creationsts use of postmodernist rhetoric comes in. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. What I want to see is somebody give an example of a sci fundamentalist. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Every word of the atheist bible is true. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Exactly....its completely nonsensical. There is no such thing as atheist fundamentalisms. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The Semantics Dance |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
63. You make a very important point |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Well, if you choose to define the terms in that way, then sure. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Actually, that was my point. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. But this was about scientific fundamentalism, not atheistic fundamentalism. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The same thing applies. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. See post 34 |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. BWAHAHAHAHA |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It's not a game, IMO. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. You got me there. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I know a doctor |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'm not an anti-scientific fundamentalist... so... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Do you know this for a fact? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. It's common knowledge |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. You seem to not understand the scientific process, at all... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You seem not to know your history of science: the ideal isn't always the reality |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I don't know what you mean by that... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #60 |
70. I mean it ain't necessarily so |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. No need to be nasty. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Sorry about being nasty, but I think we are talking past each other... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Look, for example, at the case of Liebig's attack on Schwann in the 1830s: |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. Pig headed stubbornness and fundamentalism are similar |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
62. A definition of scientism |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. How can scientism be absolute? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. You need to read things more carefully, kwassa. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I agree and disagree |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. I'm curious |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The latter |
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